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OP - April 30, 2014, 06:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL_y3Znz0B4

yup, convincing

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Reply #1 - April 30, 2014, 06:46 PM

Do you admire their certainty in their belief or feel sorry for them?

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Reply #2 - April 30, 2014, 06:49 PM

Pascal's Wager fail. I wonder if he plays this game with every other religion not just his own. Following his logic I should worship any and all God(s) just in case.
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Reply #3 - April 30, 2014, 06:49 PM

their certainty doesn't bring them any more serenity or peace of mind or any benefit that those who doubt, or who believe in other religions receive.

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Reply #4 - April 30, 2014, 06:50 PM

I feel sorry, because with such certainty you can never progress or develop, as an individual or as a society.

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Reply #5 - April 30, 2014, 06:51 PM

I neither admire them nor pity them for belief alone. I'm indifferent to it. If it brings meaning and purpose good for them. If it brings hardship and misery, all we can do is hope they see the light, so to speak.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #6 - April 30, 2014, 06:55 PM

Quote from: Cornflower on April 30, 2014, 06:50 PM
I feel sorry, because with such certainty you can never progress or develop, as an individual or as a society.

This a Hundred times. The best form of morality, is one that is progressive, the best societies are progressive, the scientific method upholds progress and not certainty. Certainty results in stagnation in science and technology, and leads to outdated moral values.
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Reply #7 - April 30, 2014, 06:56 PM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 30, 2014, 06:46 PM
Do you admire their certainty in their belief or feel sorry for them?

I give rat shit to these idiots and their stupidity but I feel pity to the people who fall to theses snake oil selling cunning creatures in human form...

but i do support their freedom of expression..

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Reply #8 - April 30, 2014, 07:01 PM

^
I wonder how many of these people genuinely believe what they say, I get the feeling some of them are just carrying on for the sake of appearances.

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Reply #9 - April 30, 2014, 07:03 PM

So much of nonesense in this video.... I never like mufti menk even as a muslim, I felt he was too pushy on religious issue. Then I realised all the scholars are

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Reply #10 - April 30, 2014, 07:04 PM

Quote from: Naz on April 30, 2014, 07:01 PM
^
I wonder how many of these people genuinely believe what they say, I get the feeling some of them are just carrying on for the sake of appearances.

I wonder that all the time! I've been there, so I know how easy it is to get stuck in that situation where you have to force yourself to believe the silly words you're saying.
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Reply #11 - April 30, 2014, 07:07 PM

it ends with these words:

Its just common sense, where there is a design there has to be a designer, its just common sense

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Reply #12 - April 30, 2014, 07:09 PM

then he uses fear to convince a sister to wear hijab, before shes in the grave and its too late,

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Reply #13 - April 30, 2014, 07:13 PM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 30, 2014, 07:07 PM
it ends with these words:

Its just common sense, where there is a design there has to be a designer, its just common sense

they can keep their designer in their ass or they can fart about their designer as much as they want., what we are saying is whatever their designer may be., that designer is NOT same as the one that is described in silly religions, silly rituals and silly religious books of cave dwelling 1000 year old nomads. And we have to have freedom of expression without persecution any where on this earth and we have the right to question their stupidity.

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Reply #14 - April 30, 2014, 07:16 PM

exactly

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Reply #15 - April 30, 2014, 07:52 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on April 30, 2014, 07:13 PM
they can keep their designer in their ass or they can fart about their designer as much as they want., what we are saying is whatever their designer may be., that designer is NOT same as the one that is described in silly religions, silly rituals and silly religious books of cave dwelling 1000 year old nomads. And we have to have freedom of expression without persecution any where on this earth and we have the right to question their stupidity.

Very true.
I don't believe in god/designer but whenever I argue with people like that I go:

"Ok for the sake of argument, there is a god. Prove to me that it's the islamic/abrahamic god."
I just skip debating existence of god and just start with fine details of islamic law/sharia and go from there.
I don't argue as much anymore, unless someone pisses me off.

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Reply #16 - April 30, 2014, 08:19 PM

There is a god. I beat him at chess last week.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #17 - April 30, 2014, 08:57 PM

I think I've posted this before, but I really like this video on the issue of certainty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9bZ3jzf0U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Reply #18 - April 30, 2014, 09:59 PM

How does anyone manage to get through 37 mins of that mind-dulling shit?

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #19 - May 03, 2014, 10:39 PM

Weed

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Reply #20 - July 20, 2014, 04:35 AM

What blows my mind is...these are adults.

These are adult humans with human brains and everything. They arent even cave men, but actual modern humans with access to computers and stuff.

I mean, let that sink in.

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Reply #21 - July 21, 2014, 06:05 AM

Yup.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #22 - August 28, 2014, 12:09 AM

Quote from: confusedagno on April 30, 2014, 06:46 PM
Do you admire their certainty in their belief or feel sorry for them?

Feel sorry for them and sad for humanity, but feel sorry for the kids most of all.

I am better than your god......and so are you.

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Reply #23 - August 28, 2014, 12:21 AM

Just in the first few minutes of the sheik fella talking I noticed pascals wager, shifting of the burden of proof, and special pleading fallacies. I couldn't take any more after that.

And this is supposed so be some kinda professional, sage?? You clever lot debunk this stuff day in day out.

I am better than your god......and so are you.

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