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 Topic: Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?

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  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #120 - May 26, 2014, 02:22 PM
    ^ I think I've acknowledged it quite a bit in here that religion, whether Islam or another, is subject to interpretation. It was never my point to say otherwise, I am simply explaining the perspective of Islam from a Quranist point of view, and why, in the modern world, with a modern understanding of science and history, the hadith are becoming an increasing liability and a somewhat illogical choice if you're going to accept both science and this religion.

    I can't stress enough that it has never been my point to say that there is only one way to practice Islam. In fact, when you say things like this, it seems you're insinuating that Sunni Islam is the only correct interpretation. Is that what you mean to do?
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #121 - May 26, 2014, 04:25 PM
    If you;re gonna reject hadith then it's only tenable to reject the quran too...as the earliest complete written copy of the quran is from the 12th century, where as the hadith are from the 8th-9th Century
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #122 - May 26, 2014, 04:29 PM
    ^ Yep. I've said it a couple times on this thread, and I'm out of ways to rephrase it, so I'm just going to quote from the last page.  wacko

    Quote from: lua on May 25, 2014, 12:42 PM
    You and I can probably agree on this. I think I also said it somewhere in this thread, but I would agree that Quranists are not being completely intellectually honest or fair...but it's not because they reject the hadith. [...] I would say the dishonesty is from not holding the Quran to the same standard and not using that same skepticism and doubt on the Quran. It's from staying with Islam and touting the Quran as indisputably true.  These individuals should be capable of going that extra step.

  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #123 - May 26, 2014, 05:33 PM
    Quote from: lua on May 26, 2014, 02:22 PM
    ^ I think I've acknowledged it quite a bit in here that religion, whether Islam or another, is subject to interpretation. It was never my point to say otherwise, I am simply explaining the perspective of Islam from a Quranist point of view, and why, in the modern world, with a modern understanding of science and history, the hadith are becoming an increasing liability and a somewhat illogical choice if you're going to accept both science and this religion.

    I can't stress enough that it has never been my point to say that there is only one way to practice Islam. In fact, when you say things like this, it seems you're insinuating that Sunni Islam is the only correct interpretation. Is that what you mean to do?


    No, of course not! But I would say that if Islam was true, Qur'anism would be nowhere near the most logical choice. Perhaps, we can just respectfully disagree on that.

    Also, I have a feeling that serpent may still think you're Muslim  Cheesy
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #124 - May 26, 2014, 05:45 PM
    ^ Oh, sorry. I must have read you wrong.  wacko

    I guess we will have to...it's really frustrating to have to talk about this as though Islam were true? But if I had to assume it were true and that the Quran were true, and I knew here were the remnants of a game of telephone that had these gross scientific errors and inaccuracies and, not to mention, some deplorable stuff that contradicts other hadith and contradicts the Quran, I'd find it, personally, to be the only option. I could not in good conscience say, "Yeah, stone that guy to death, Mohammed thought it was a good idea...but the one about him drinking urine, meh. His mistake/false hadith. The other one, though...totally cool. Definitely fine." I accept that this is just an opinion, though.

    Nowadays, I'm definitely of the perspective that the hadith accurately represent how Islam was kind of designed to be by the man himself, but when you're actually a believing Muslim in this position, that's neither here nor there. You recognize you've got to rule out the impossible and accept the improbable, that the perception of Islam has got to evolve or die.

    Also, I don't know, serpentofeden isn't the first to say that to me in this thread, I think he (she?) is just making a point...and totally valid. I get it. You should get rid of both, not just one, if you're going to claim to be intellectually honest and logical.

    I'm so glad I don't really have to worry about this stuff anymore. Grin
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #125 - May 26, 2014, 05:50 PM
    Well, you are now part of a much better community lua  Smiley
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #126 - May 26, 2014, 05:54 PM
    Seriously! I like every single one of you guys.  001_wub
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #127 - May 26, 2014, 06:09 PM
    Lua has fallen in like with us.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #128 - May 26, 2014, 06:10 PM
    So we're not at the "love" stage yet? Lua, are you friendzoning us?  sad It's your husband, isn't it?
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #129 - May 26, 2014, 06:12 PM
    :(o)
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #130 - May 26, 2014, 06:15 PM
    We must (figuratively) get rid of Mr.Saudi lover-boy.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #131 - May 26, 2014, 06:17 PM
    Quote from: hocuspocus on May 26, 2014, 06:10 PM
    So we're not at the "love" stage yet? Lua, are you friendzoning us?  sad It's your husband, isn't it?


    Cheesy My husband is going to find this someday, and I don't know how many dogs I'd have to buy him if he found me shipping myself with all of you lovely CEMBers...
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #132 - May 26, 2014, 06:36 PM
    Lua if I were you I'd put on this dog suit when apologizing to your husband.

    Exploit his weaknesses !!!

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #133 - May 26, 2014, 06:42 PM
    But then he can't see my sad girly eyes and girly face and girly body. Those are my best assets when I need him to accept my apology!
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #134 - May 26, 2014, 06:44 PM
    not ur boobies?
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #135 - May 26, 2014, 06:46 PM
    That's part of my girly body!
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #136 - May 26, 2014, 06:48 PM
    o right lol
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #137 - May 26, 2014, 06:52 PM
    Quote from: lua on May 26, 2014, 06:46 PM
    That's part of my girly body!


    You kill me  Cheesy
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #138 - May 26, 2014, 07:07 PM
    It's scary how easily you can manipulate someone (some men) with sex...
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #139 - May 26, 2014, 07:14 PM
    Hello Cornflower
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #140 - May 26, 2014, 07:33 PM
    ha ha true, i think guys dont care so much about what personality you got so long as youre pretty and sexy who cares lol  wacko 
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #141 - May 26, 2014, 07:38 PM
    That's true for some guys. Personally, a dead personality completely puts me off.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #142 - May 26, 2014, 07:41 PM
    Brains over breasts (at least for me).
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #143 - May 26, 2014, 07:47 PM
    I differentiate between looking for someone to fuck & looking for a long term partner lol.
    Although, the latter does comprise the former.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #144 - May 26, 2014, 07:52 PM
    ^You would have sex (and not a relationship) with a women who lacks intelligence?


    Is it just me or is that odd? Doesn't it turn you off?
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #145 - May 26, 2014, 07:53 PM
    I thought Qtian was a woman lol...  wacko i don't know who's male of female on here, me thinks we should have male/female symbols next to our names lol
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #146 - May 26, 2014, 07:54 PM
    How awkward lol, you must have missed the pictures of my beard that I posted Tongue
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #147 - May 26, 2014, 08:00 PM
    oh that pic of a beard lol, yeah i remember that..   

    x
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #148 - May 26, 2014, 08:02 PM
    Quote from: Descent on May 26, 2014, 07:52 PM
    ^You would have sex (and not a relationship) with a women who lacks intelligence?


    Is it just me or is that odd? Doesn't it turn you off?


    Yeah I would, provided that she consents of course.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #149 - May 26, 2014, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: suki on May 26, 2014, 08:00 PM
    oh that pic of a beard lol, yeah i remember that..   

    x


    Did you forget that whilst assuming my gender, or did you think that I was an abnormally hairy female?
    lol
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
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