Thoughts on Subway and Pizza Express halal "revelations"

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Reply #30 - May 08, 2014, 08:44 AM

ha ha yeah but they already know how it tastes with quorn (vomit) lol
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Reply #31 - May 08, 2014, 10:07 AM

Quote from: Ishina on May 07, 2014, 08:51 PM
Bacon is superior to turkey. These are facts.

That is indeed, a scientifically proven fact.

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Reply #32 - May 08, 2014, 02:55 PM

Never mind
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Reply #33 - May 08, 2014, 03:47 PM

Quote from: Descent on May 08, 2014, 08:41 AM
Hopefully, lab grown meat will become a norm (and let's hope it tastes just as good), and then we don't really have to kill animals any-more. Then, vegetarians can finally see what they were missing.

envisioning that future, all cattle will become extinct and muslims will be able to grow their own halal bacon : )
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Reply #34 - May 08, 2014, 03:52 PM

Nope, they're have been Muslims who have opposed this work, because like any research involving stem cells, it's considered to be tampering with God's creation.
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Reply #35 - May 08, 2014, 04:02 PM

yep i can imagine that
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Reply #36 - May 08, 2014, 09:13 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on May 08, 2014, 05:01 AM
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Thanks for that long post! I'm glad you're actual being consistent with your views - there are far too many people who are complaining about halal being inhumane, yet they go out and eat KFC on a regular basis. For them, the argument isn't actually about animal welfare at all, but they pretend it is.

I mean, I have my gripes with Islam and all things Islamic (hence being on this website) but I do feel that the anti-Islamic feeling is getting a bit out of hand. :/

Quote from: Descent on May 08, 2014, 08:41 AM
Hopefully, lab grown meat will become a norm (and let's hope it tastes just as good), and then we don't really have to kill animals any-more. Then, vegetarians can finally see what they were missing.

Test tube meat.... hmmmm as long as it tastes the same and there's no scary side effects then I'm willing to give that a try! :p
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Reply #37 - May 08, 2014, 09:16 PM

I just saw this and for once Russell Brand actually made me laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZYGJOhD0cY&feature=youtu.be

...Even if he is wrong about calling it racist, cause it technically isn't. But lol anyways..
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Reply #38 - May 08, 2014, 09:48 PM

Those who lean to the left do themselves no favours by not acknowledging the additional suffering of primitive slaughter methods compared to the most humane methods. People of conscience, who genuinely care about the welfare of animals, should find it easy to condemn halal slaughter, the same as they should find it easy to condemn battery farming, or any other less than optimum practice in the meat industry. These stances are entirely compatible with being against the consumption of meat full stop.

The meat industry is going to be around for a long time. It's easy to moan about it, but nothing short of a miracle will abolish it in the near future. In the meantime, everyone can work towards phasing out the crueller aspects of it, installing tougher and more enforced guidelines, so that if we are going to continue to consume meat for the foreseeable future - which we are - it should be as humane as possible. On that point, carnivore and vegan alike should be in concordance.

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Reply #39 - May 08, 2014, 09:51 PM

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Reply #40 - June 05, 2014, 07:57 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on May 07, 2014, 08:45 PM
There are many people who would be horrified to eat food blessed in the name of allah as it would be eating food blessed by a false god. There are also people who view halal slaughter as unethical who may have been unknowingly eating it.

Personally it really fucking pisses me off. I enjoyed bacon and ham Subway and I can't understand why they would just drop them instead of offering halal and non halal options. The fact options have just suddenly been taken away does not sit well with me. I seriously do not understand why they can't offer halal options along with the original.

I agree. The only issue I have with Halal is the method of killing the animal, a debate which is still ongoing amongst animal ethicists. The current secular method may not be perfect or even better, but I will go with whatever is the least distressing. I do still eat halal meat when offered but if I had a choice I would go for 'non ritually slaughtered'.

However I really don't give a flying toss what magic words or incantations are said at the time of the slaughter, makes no difference to me whatsoever.

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Reply #41 - June 17, 2014, 11:39 PM

I just have to add this.

Pizza Express, halal chicken and the anti-Muslim prejudice that stands exposed

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Pizza Express has been using only halal meat for years. All those orangey chicken bits that top pizzas and fill calzones come from poultry that have been slaughtered in the Muslim ritual way. It turns out, for of the biggest supermarket chains also sell meat that has been slaughtered this way — though their packaging doesn't say so.

The pizza chain explains this on its website — but religious leaders have written to the Daily Telegraph to call for explicit labels from now on. Just as a Muslim needs to know that their meat is halal and a Jew that their meat is kosher, the rest of us should know what kind of meat we are eating.

The incident has exposed something nasty: we've all been eating halal for years, and never seemed to care. No one talked about little lambs, or chickens, being slaughtered cruelly. Suddenly, this has changed. Could it be that the change is down to anti-Muslim prejuedice?

Earlier this year, the new Chief Vet sparked a row when he said that ritual slaughtering should be banned. It was cruel to animals, John Blackwell bleated, going against all scientific evidence. Many agreed, claiming that halal slaughter did not belong in a civilised culture. Others – I was one -- argued that an individual's right to practice their faith trumped the rights of a lamb to be stunned. The debate grew heated — and nasty: fuelled, I would argue, not so much by traditional sentimentality about cutesy animals as by anti-Muslim prejudice.

Animal rights easily become a proxy for Islam-bashing and anti-semitism. Get at these people through their diet. It's an ancient tradition, rising back to the Middle Ages, when bigots liked to say that Jews ritually slaughtered Christian babies. This blood libel would be unthinkable today, in our "civilised culture" — but it finds an echo in the attacks on the dietary laws of faith communities. These days, it's not just Jews, it's Muslims, that can be targeted.

Ritual slaughter turns out to be cheaper than the traditional methods. This will mean retailers like Pizza Express will continue to serve halal meat against the bigots' opposition. Let the Chief Vet chew that over.

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Reply #42 - June 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

I don't want to live in a Britain that prizes its cows more than its Jews

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Britain is set to become a country that prizes a cow more than a Jew, an ox more than a Muslim. If John Blackwell, soon to be head of Britain's vets, gets his wish, ritual slaughter will be banned. Blackwell, you see, is worried about the pain that animals might feel if they are not stunned before they are butchered. He is not worried though about the millions of Muslims and Jews whose religion dictates that they eat only animals that have been killed in a particular way. Let them eat cake.

Halal and Kosher butchers have for millennia practised a ritual slaughter as part of their religious tradition. It is a hygienic way of butchering animals which consists of slitting their throats and allowing them to bleed to death. Not for the faint-hearted, but religion seldom is.

In a culture where animals matter more than people, and a lot more than religious people, halal and kosher are verboten. Already, we have Denmark banning ritual slaughter. Jews and Muslims in the country are outraged and have staged protests — to no avail. They are not as cute and cuddly as lambs, are they? Let the Danes stamp all over deeply held religious belief in the name of a calf. Who cares about the Koran or the Torah when it comes to soft furry creatures?

Once this precedent is established, circumcision — another religious ritual practised by both Muslims and Jews — will be banned. The anger and upset this has caused in the Muslims and Jewish communities in Germany cannot be underestimated. The German authorities, when faced with accusations of anti-Semitism, quickly backed down. Their defence, like that of Mr Blackwell, was that it is "humane" to ban such religious rituals — but history shows what crushing religious minorities leads to.

Banning a religious ritual because an animal may (who knows) feel some pain before its killing, is a nonsense value. It prioritises the animal over the human, and the four-legged over the pious. Yet it will be adopted here in once-tolerant Britain, if Mr Blackwell has any say in the matter. I pray he doesn't.

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`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
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Reply #43 - June 18, 2014, 12:42 AM

^ That is probably the dumbest thing I have read all week. It reads like a parody.

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Reply #44 - June 18, 2014, 12:48 AM

My thoughts exactly. It was too good not to share.

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Animal rights easily become a proxy for Islam-bashing and anti-semitism

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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