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Reply #150 - September 08, 2014, 12:25 PM

Quote from: lua on September 08, 2014, 12:07 PM
Instead of profound, imagine I said "interesting" or "worth our time." You're saying a whole lot of nothing. You're basically here saying that not only is God real, but it is the Christian God, and that we should all jump on board, and your justifications have more or less been to the order of, "Birds. Trees. All this fancy oxygen. I don't understand it none. But Jesus does. What say you?!"

I can tell it's somehow important to you to imagine yourself better than your average Muslim. I've got bad news for you, my friend. Strike out every instance of "Jesus" or "Christianity" in what you've written here, it is identical to the garbage Muslims bring us. In fact, many Muslim apologists are far more convincing and coherent than you, and at least tried to bring science and reason to the table. How are those scientific articles you're looking for coming along?

"interesting" or "worth our time." Entertainment is not my intention.
Understanding or recognising a need for spiritual relevance should be more than nothing.
Wonder of creation/nature leads to stirring of the spirit.
Self realization of spiritual nature leads to seeking, curiosity.
Seeking, curiosity leads to [hopefully] recognition of God.

Strike out every instance of "Jesus" or "Christianity" in what you've written here, it is identical to the garbage Muslims bring us.
This brings us full circle in why I posted on "Why Allah is unlike any other deity".
The God of the Bible is not the God of the Koran, they are different.

Think that got most of the high points.
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Reply #151 - September 08, 2014, 12:26 PM

Quote from: lua on September 08, 2014, 12:12 PM
Oh, yeezevee loves that! He even has a picture for it.

lua..... you are spilling my secrets

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Reply #152 - September 08, 2014, 12:27 PM

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Reply #153 - September 08, 2014, 12:31 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:25 PM
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The God of the Bible is not the God of the Koran, they are different.

well you seem not know that "god of bible brought you god of quran" and both are political and control freaks.

So carpentaro why do we need bible babbling or babbling from any religion when we have simple golden rule to cover essentially everything/few good words that you see in those silly books? .

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Reply #154 - September 08, 2014, 12:35 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:25 PM
"interesting" or "worth our time." Entertainment is not my intention.
Understanding or recognising a need for spiritual relevance should be more than nothing.
Wonder of creation/nature leads to stirring of the spirit.
Self realization of spiritual nature leads to seeking, curiosity.
Seeking, curiosity leads to [hopefully] recognition of God.

Does it look like you're inspiring curiosity or understanding in anyone here? Whatever your intention, unless it is to amuse us while simultaneously offending our intellect, you're falling short, I'm afraid.

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:25 PM

This brings us full circle in why I posted on "Why Allah is unlike any other deity".
The God of the Bible is not the God of the Koran, they are different.

So what? Therefore, we should believe in the Christian god? On the merit that he's different? You're not understanding that one of the major failures of your logic is that there is no good reason for us to choose either god character. And no reason to choose the Christian god over the one in the Quran. I'm going to make up a God, too, and it's going to be different than both of them. What value would that give my religion?
Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:25 PM

Think that got most of the high points.

Nope, you forgot the one asking for this scientific evidence you were initially so proud of. You've been on here for hours saying nothing. I can't imagine that you didn't have time to perform that simple google search. Still intend to provide links, or have you already given up on approaching from that angle?
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Reply #155 - September 08, 2014, 12:35 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 11:46 AM
There are many [I'd say most] people that have a niggling feeling that there is something bigger than themselves. Wouldn't you like to know? Satisfaction of an age old curiosity in how human kind fits in.

"There is something bigger than myself", whatever that means, does not equate to "there must be a god". At best, that claim can be refined to "I live in an universe apparently ordered in ways that are indifferent to my existence", which is far less mystical.

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:25 PM
Understanding or recognising a need for spiritual relevance should be more than nothing.
Wonder of creation/nature leads to stirring of the spirit.
Self realization of spiritual nature leads to seeking, curiosity.
Seeking, curiosity leads to [hopefully] recognition of God.

"I feel it, therefore it must be true" is not proof of a god. To act as if it were such a thing is to get first and last things wrong; to misquote Keats, "beauty is truth, truth beauty" is fine for solipsists, but rather less useful to the rest of us. Aesthetics is a phenomenon beginning and ending with humans; to confuse what we like for what is provably true is to forget that our feelings on a statement of fact are irrelevant to whether it is a true or false statement.

If god - or gods - exist, the proof of their existence would not be contingent upon what we feel about them, but, rather, be beyond question. Here, then, is your chance to settle an age-old issue: what is this proof?

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Reply #156 - September 08, 2014, 12:53 PM

You are proving that you still have a lot to learn, so I’m going to sincerely try to exercise my patience. Admitting what you don’t know can be a remarkably powerful thing. That curiosity, which is a most basic human virtue, has allowed us to achieve remarkable accomplishments as a species. It guided our ancestors and led them to seek out answers and solutions to the challenges that faced them. Saying “I don’t know” is more than just a confession of ignorance. It can be a spiritual position. It can allow you to come with your glass empty to every new spring and find out what the waters are like for yourself. You can use your own innate senses to determine which are worth drinking from and which are not. This does not mean either that you discount the wisdom of others. You learn from them as well, avoiding some springs all together. But always be weary of anyone who tells you they KNOW things they cannot possibly know. There is a difference between belief and reality. The latter is true whether we realize it or not. The former is always up for review.

I’m not new to the idea of religions and spirituality. My grandfather built a church. My father helped build a mosque. My step father introduced me to a great Burmese martial artist and philosopher. I’ve travelled quite a bit and have met a few people. I only say this to give you an idea of where I’m coming from.

When I first arrived on this forum, I received some of the best advice I’ve had in a while from a man who had been on his own spiritual journey. He said, “Perhaps the best advice I can give you is always show love, compassion, and understanding to others – no matter how much they try your patience.”
As beautiful as these words were, looking back on them, they are present in everything good religions have ever taught us and even shine through the nonsense as well.

The Qur’an says that Luqman, the wise, told his son, “And don’t puff your cheek in pride towards the people and don’t walk through the land haughtily. Surely, the most annoying of voices is the braying of a donkey. (someone who is loud and obnoxious but whose words have no value.)”

Jesus taught us to love our enemies, even as Yahweh commanded that towns be destroyed and men, women, babies, and livestock be killed.

The Buddha is said to have gained enlightenment while contemplating the nature of human suffering. Human suffering. That is the thing we all have in common. Understanding that everyone is just trying to cope and that in the end, despite our differences, we're all in this together. Recognizing this and doing your part to make our lot better along the way is truly the best thing you can do.

Don’t be so eager to convince other people of your way. Be good to people. Treat people the way that you would want to be treated. People will gravitate towards you naturally when they see those virtues. When people don’t accept what you consider to be compelling evidence, it might be worth scrutinizing them a bit more. But in the end, you can only really believe what works for you.

And most importantly, stay curious. Challenge your own convictions. History has never judged well those who stubbornly hold on to bad ideas.

Peace, man.
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Reply #157 - September 08, 2014, 01:03 PM

well you seem not know that "god of bible brought you god of quran" and both are control freaks

Do you believe in "good and evil"? There is a difference that needs to be recognised.
1]God blessed the Nation of Israel through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Isaac being the "son of promise" as God had promised Abraham a son even though Abraham was very old. Abraham and Sarah lost faith that God was going to deliver on His promise, so devised an alternate means to provide an heir. Their plan was for Abraham to impregnate Hagar [Sarah's servant]. Ishmael was the issue of Abraham and his wife's servant, Hagar. Ishmael WAS born first, but he was not the child God had promised Abraham and Sarah. Sarah, in the fulfilment of God promise, gets pregnant and delivers the child God had promised, Isaac, the one God will build His nation through.
Islam is derived through Ishmael, not Isaac.
2]Mohamed on scene 600+ years AD. He has "angelic visitation" and is imparted with a "new, new" testament that is quite different than the NT. Funnily enough, it had been prophesied that this would happen [Galatians 1], "Let God's curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of "Good News" than the one we preached to you." Then it is repeated [for emphasis]. The Koran IS a different kind of "Good News" than had been preached. That had been prophesied about over 600 years prior, and Mohamed says that the Bible is to be believed. Allah and God of the Bible are not the same.
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Reply #158 - September 08, 2014, 01:09 PM

Quote from: lua on September 08, 2014, 12:35 PM
Does it look like you're inspiring curiosity or understanding in anyone here? Whatever your intention, unless it is to amuse us while simultaneously offending our intellect, you're falling short, I'm afraid.

So what? Therefore, we should believe in the Christian god? On the merit that he's different? You're not understanding that one of the major failures of your logic is that there is no good reason for us to choose either god character. And no reason to choose the Christian god over the one in the Quran. I'm going to make up a God, too, and it's going to be different than both of them. What value would that give my religion?
Nope, you forgot the one asking for this scientific evidence you were initially so proud of. You've been on here for hours saying nothing. I can't imagine that you didn't have time to perform that simple google search. Still intend to provide links, or have you already given up on approaching from that angle?

scientific evidence
www.creationmoments.com/content/amazing-scientific-accuracy-biblewww.pb.org/pbdocs/bibleac.html
www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.htm
www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/.../bible-scientific-accuracy/
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Reply #159 - September 08, 2014, 01:13 PM

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Funnily enough, it had been prophesied that this would happen [Galatians 1], "Let God's curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of "Good News" than the one we preached to you."

Sorry, this irked me: prophecy is kind of a dramatic word for that. That's just a warning, knowing human nature. When a car is illegally parked, do you say that the "No Parking- Vehicles will be towed at owner's expense" sign prophesied that someone would park there? And besides, explain to me how you know God's curse fell on Mohammad. I don't accept that your stomach told you so.
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Reply #160 - September 08, 2014, 01:14 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:09 PM
scientific evidence
www.creationmoments.com/content/amazing-scientific-accuracy-biblewww.pb.org/pbdocs/bibleac.html
www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.htm
www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/.../bible-scientific-accuracy/

Oh, god. Just from the urls, I can tell this will be fun.
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Reply #161 - September 08, 2014, 01:14 PM

Quote from: happymurtad on September 08, 2014, 12:53 PM
You are proving that you still have a lot to learn, so I’m going to sincerely try to exercise my patience. Admitting what you don’t know can be a remarkably powerful thing. That curiosity, which is a most basic human virtue, has allowed us to achieve remarkable accomplishments as a species. It guided our ancestors and led them to seek out answers and solutions to the challenges that faced them. Saying “I don’t know” is more than just a confession of ignorance. It can be a spiritual position. It can allow you to come with your glass empty to every new spring and find out what the waters are like for yourself. You can use your own innate senses to determine which are worth drinking from and which are not. This does not mean either that you discount the wisdom of others. You learn from them as well, avoiding some springs all together. But always be weary of anyone who tells you they KNOW things they cannot possibly know. There is a difference between belief and reality. The latter is true whether we realize it or not. The former is always up for review.

I’m not new to the idea of religions and spirituality. My grandfather built a church. My father helped build a mosque. My step father introduced me to a great Burmese martial artist and philosopher. I’ve travelled quite a bit and have met a few people. I only say this to give you an idea of where I’m coming from.

When I first arrived on this forum, I received some of the best advice I’ve had in a while from a man who had been on his own spiritual journey. He said, “Perhaps the best advice I can give you is always show love, compassion, and understanding to others – no matter how much they try your patience.”
As beautiful as these words were, looking back on them, they are present in everything good religions have ever taught us and even shine through the nonsense as well.

The Qur’an says that Luqman, the wise, told his son, “And don’t puff your cheek in pride towards the people and don’t walk through the land haughtily. Surely, the most annoying of voices is the braying of a donkey. (someone who is loud and obnoxious but whose words have no value.)”

Jesus taught us to love our enemies, even as Yahweh commanded that towns be destroyed and men, women, babies, and livestock be killed.

The Buddha is said to have gained enlightenment while contemplating the nature of human suffering. Human suffering. That is the thing we all have in common. Understanding that everyone is just trying to cope and that in the end, despite our differences, we're all in this together. Recognizing this and doing your part to make our lot better along the way is truly the best thing you can do.

Don’t be so eager to convince other people of your way. Be good to people. Treat people the way that you would want to be treated. People will gravitate towards you naturally when they see those virtues. When people don’t accept what you consider to be compelling evidence, it might be worth scrutinizing them a bit more. But in the end, you can only really believe what works for you.

And most importantly, stay curious. Challenge your own convictions. History has never judged well those who stubbornly hold on to bad ideas.

Peace, man.

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Reply #162 - September 08, 2014, 01:16 PM

Quote from: lua on September 08, 2014, 01:14 PM
Oh, god. Just from the urls, I can tell this will be fun.

You can look them up as well. Did you not call me lazy?
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Reply #163 - September 08, 2014, 01:17 PM

Quote from: lua on September 08, 2014, 01:13 PM
Sorry, this irked me: prophecy is kind of a dramatic word for that. That's just a warning, knowing human nature. When a car is illegally parked, do you say that the "No Parking- Vehicles will be towed at owner's expense" sign prophesied that someone would park there? And besides, explain to me how you know God's curse fell on Mohammad. I don't accept that your stomach told you so.

Look at the "fruit".
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Reply #164 - September 08, 2014, 01:18 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:09 PM
scientific evidence
www.creationmoments.com/content/amazing-scientific-accuracy-biblewww.pb.org/pbdocs/bibleac.html
www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.htm
www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/.../bible-scientific-accuracy/

None of these links work. Great proof you have there.

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:16 PM
You can look them up as well. Did you not call me lazy?

Lazy enough that you do not check if your own linked sources worked. I assume you just copied these from an apologetic site without verifying the sources at all.
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Reply #165 - September 08, 2014, 01:22 PM

Link one. These are the resources. These are where they get their information.

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1. History of Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom - Andrew D. White, two volumes, D. Appleton and Co., New York, 1896.

2. Christianity Today, Dec. 3, 1965, Article on Fred Hoyle and Steady-State Theory.

3. General Biology, A Unified Text Manual - Wm. Bloom and Carl Krekeler, H. Van Nostrand Co., Inc., Princeton, New Jersey, 1955. 1963.

4. Hebrew and English Lexicon of Old Testament - Wm. Gesenius and Ed. Robinson, Houghton Mifflin, 1854.

5. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

6. Pulpit Commentary-Book of Job by G. Rawlinson, Funk and Wagnalls, New York.

7. Homiletic Commentary-Job, by Thomas Robinson, Funk and Wagnalls, New York.

8. Hebrew and English Lexicon of Old Testament - See No.4.

9. see No.4.

10. Evolution and the Bible-Script for filmstrip series - Harold Clark, Review and Herald Publishing Association, Washington, D. C., January, 1966.

11. See No.10.

12. Life, Man and Time - Frank L. Marsh, Outdoor Pictures, Escondido, California, 1967.

13. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

14. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

15. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

16. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

17. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

18. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

19. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

20. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

21. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

22. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

23. Has God Spoken? - A. O. Schnabel. Privately printed in Portland, Oregon, 1966.

24. The Genesis Flood - John Whitcomb and Henry Morris, Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co., Tenth Printing, 1967.

25. Herkunft und Zukunft des Menschen - A. E. Wilder Smith, Brunnen-Verlag GMBH-Giessen und Basel, 1966.

26. Designed for Dissolution - D. Lee Chesnut, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Third Printing, Sept., 1965.

The Bible, Science and Evolution - H. Douglas Dean. A series of four lectures presented at Park Church of Christ, Arlington, Texas, April 17-24, 1966. Privately printed.

The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch - Donald Wesley Patten, Pacific Meridian Publishing Co., Seattle, Washington, 1966.

I'm afraid that not even one of these sources are credible sources. It's the equivalent of saying "my friend told me so." Also, much of this is pure observation of the natural world. The thing you'd expect to see in religious texts, or any text from that time. I'm sorry, but the Quran also does this.

I don't even know where to begin on the garbage that was the biology section, but let's just suffice it to say that saying, "The Bible done said there were 9 types of creatures, and one biologist once wrote many, many years ago that he thinks there were 9 types, too!" isn't scientific evidence.

Also, the part about lightning creating rain? In a funny twist, that's the exact opposite of the truth.

Let's see what else you've got...
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Reply #166 - September 08, 2014, 01:23 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:16 PM
You can look them up as well. Did you not call me lazy?

Like I explained to you once before, I searched extensively for reputable sources to verify your claims, and none could be found. Spoiler: it's because none exist at the moment. Let me continue with your links.
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Reply #167 - September 08, 2014, 01:26 PM

Second link: http://www.pb.org/pbdocs/bibleac.html

There aren't any references here at all. Nor is it saying anything profound. I will say it again: the Quran said this same sort of junk. I know some dawah guys who would just totally blow your mind with the science of the Quran if you think this is noteworthy. You think this is impressive? Hold on to your hat and get ready to take the shahadah.
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Reply #168 - September 08, 2014, 01:29 PM

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.htm doesn't work. Neither does http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/.../bible-scientific-accuracy/ .

I highly recommend that you take a class in introductory science at your local community college. It is cheap, and it would at least teach you the very basics that you're not really getting here. Scientific evidence comes from research and peer-reviewed publications. It doesn't come from the observations of a Jehovah's Witnesses site.
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Reply #169 - September 08, 2014, 01:46 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:14 PM
You want me to try and snatch a pebble from your hand?

Dude, you’re really not getting it. And I doubt you will just yet. What I am telling you is that people have searched well beyond what you have read in your Bible. People have believed it, studied it, and found the courage to look beyond it. The same is true for every other religious text. The stuff that is blowing your mind right now in those texts are just peanuts compared to what else is out there. The observable, the verifiable, the compelling – it goes way beyond anything the religious writers could ever have known. If there is something “greater,” then it is far greater and more mysterious than anything we can know right now.

That’s all I’m saying. Keep your mind open and stay humble. Take some biology courses. Study some history. Visit a few other “holy places” and get their take on things. Research atheism with an open mind. Good luck to you.
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Reply #170 - September 08, 2014, 01:51 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:03 PM
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1]. Abraham and Sarah lost faith that God was going to deliver on His promise, so devised an alternate means to provide an heir. Their plan was for Abraham to impregnate Hagar [Sarah's servant]. Ishmael was the issue of Abraham and his wife's servant, Hagar.

It's utterly predictable, but you've fundamentally misunderstood this episode from Genesis. Hagar is Sarah's slave/bondswoman - part of her fee from her failed hierogamic relationship with Pharoah - and as such her children belong to Sarah, not Abraham ( it even tells you this in the text where Sarah's motivation for such a "transaction" is "so that I may build up MY ( not Abraham's ) house" ). The symbolic act of the delivery upon the knees of Sarah signifies the adoption of the child by Sarah ( and not by Abraham ); you can compare this with Jacob's symbolic re-adoption of Joseph's children, Ephraim and Manasseh, by dangling them on his knees ( once Jospeh had been sold into slavery, he ceased to be Jacob's son, a fairly standard legal/sociological reality in the ANE world and confirmed by the numerous legal codes that we know of - it's why there are two half-tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, rather than a tribe of Joseph. ) .

Ishmael is not, and can never be, Abraham's heir - he is Sarah's heir, but becomes surplus to requirements when laughing boy is born ( we won't go into the constant thematic repetition in Genesis of younger siblings supplanting elder siblings rights ).
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Reply #171 - September 08, 2014, 01:56 PM

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That’s all I’m saying. Keep your mind open and stay humble. Take some biology courses. Study some history. Visit a few other “holy places” and get their take on things. Research atheism with an open mind. Good luck to you.

happy_m .. I am under the impression that you are "BORN IN USA " . Correct me if I am wrong., but if I am right then ....PLEASE ENTER INTO AMERICAN POLITICS.. ., at least local to start with., America needs you in politics ..

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Reply #172 - September 08, 2014, 02:15 PM

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g200711/bible-scientific-accuracy/#?insight[search_id]=9d1595dd-5ad5-4926-a69e-d532c984bde9&insight[search_result_index]=0

I think this is it.

First off if Adam and Eve are the first humans this is in conflict with current science and is considered an error. Job 26:7 states hanging as in suspended. However the Earth is not suspended nor is free floating within the laws of gravity. Gravity dictates the movement of the Earth so the only way the Earth could be free floating is in absences of all forces of gravity. More so Psalms 104:5 contradicts Job 26:7 in which the Earth has a foundation and does not move, which is scientifically incorrect. Job 26:9 states God covers the moon with cloud yet there are no clouds on the moon.

Isaiah 40:22 states circle not sphere. A circle is a 2d image. A spheres is a 3d images. It is interpolation to translated circle to sphere. Also the earth is not a sphere but a oblate spheroid which seems similar but is not the same. So even the interpolation is wrong. Circle could mean all that encompasses the Earth but this does nothing to suggest the shape. Encompassing the Earth if it was a flat disc would be the same as with a sphere or square.

Leviticus 13:1-5 states quarantine the sick. However in verse 46 contradicts the earlier verses. It treats leprosy as a contagious disease when in fact it is not. 46 also states that the person should be quarantined yet again leprosy is not contagious so this act is useless. So while yes there are laws about quarantine it shows that God does not know leprosy is not contagious when God should be well aware of this fact. However if this verse was written by men with limited knowledge it makes sense. It also shows the social and religious stigma of Judaism not God's or their scientific knowledge. In Leviticus 14:2-52 it says the method of curing leprosy which in scientifically wrong.

Such mistake happen when you do not read your Bible, cross reference it's various passage. You miss contradiction and gross errors in a conclusion. Well yes the Bible did get a few ideas right based on failed ideas as a foundation, it got a lot wrong as well. It's unscientific errors undermine the claims of scientific knowledge when compared.
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Reply #173 - September 08, 2014, 02:22 PM

Quote from: bogart on September 08, 2014, 02:15 PM
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g200711/bible-scientific-accuracy/#?insight[search_id]=9d1595dd-5ad5-4926-a69e-d532c984bde9&insight[search_result_index]=0

I think this is it.

First off if Adam and Eve are the first humans this is in conflict with current science and is considered an error. ..............

bogart not just that error., there are plenty more., But errors in religious books are not the problem., The problem lays with religious followers electing politicians through the lies of the Preachers and driving the country down the drain never to recover see the tubes at this post http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=26473.msg780069#msg780069

I mean ....she is Presidential candidate of AMRIKA., The most powerful country on the globe.. think about all those 1000s of kids in that university and what their mind set is..

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Reply #174 - September 08, 2014, 03:39 PM

I agree. However there is a point in which one takes an error as fact despite information which shows it is in fact an error and why. When people embrace a religious ideology in which there can be no error in a text they will never acknowledge errors as it has become doctrine of the ideology. They will defend the ideology tooth and nail. Often this will cause an event in which one will follow a person due to shared ideology. In the case of Palin she supported said ideology and promised to defend it. The ideology become the prime factor for supporting her, not her record as a leader. Of course the source of these mistakes and errors in judgement are solely upon the individual. However religious ideologies such as these can reinforcing an already flawed thinking process. If the ideology is one which is indoctrinated into an individual at a young age it hampers one's ability to reason as illogical reasoning is taught as logical reasoning. This ideology is that of the parents taught to the child. Many can break out of the ideology, many can not. Now these ideologies are not the foundation of this issues but many do nothing to correct or make situation worse
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Reply #175 - September 08, 2014, 06:02 PM

Tuesday AM close to the IDL, I'm going to put a fork in this because it's done.

Thank you for letting me share the Good News over 6 pages and [I'm guessing with the time difference] Saturday and Sunday. This would’ve been difficult to do on my own, so thanks for the help.

For the rest of the viewers that would like help or are interested in more information on what the next step in your spiritual journey is, here are some links, many more available, but these will get it done;
christianity.net.au/questions/how_to_become_a_christian
christianity.about.com › ... › Common Questions Christians Ask

If you think that you're ready to make the next step now, a very simple prayer will get you on your way.
Jesus, be my Lord and Saviour.
The Bible says "confess with your lips and believe with your heart". That's it, deal done. No special ceremony [as this is a personal transaction as an individual], actually, the preferred method of prayer is in private so as to "not appear boastful" in front of people, crowds... Hope that wasn't too "preachy" for y'all.

Thanks again for all your help, carpentaro
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Reply #176 - September 08, 2014, 06:03 PM

Quote from: lua on September 08, 2014, 01:29 PM
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.htm doesn't work. Neither does http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/.../bible-scientific-accuracy/ .

I highly recommend that you take a class in introductory science at your local community college. It is cheap, and it would at least teach you the very basics that you're not really getting here. Scientific evidence comes from research and peer-reviewed publications. It doesn't come from the observations of a Jehovah's Witnesses site.

lua, with qualifiers such as "reputable" [to who] you won't be satisfied until you read something that agrees with your world view. So I picked some links [mostly with creation or believer in the title] to see what your reaction would be and, you didn't let me down. The science for; God, evolution, climate change is all subjective, there are positions on both sides. Regardless what you've heard, there is no consensus on any of these. That may not be what you'd like to hear and it may not be in agreement with your world view.
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Reply #177 - September 08, 2014, 06:28 PM

Religious debates are soo yawnful :/ thanks though carpentaro for spreading the word lol mighty kind of ya.. nothing more irritating though than people expecting you to believe what they believe, but no thanks, i can think for myself, if it's christianity that does it for you then good luck with your journey carpentaro..
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Reply #178 - September 08, 2014, 06:29 PM

Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 06:03 PM
lua, with qualifiers such as "reputable" [to who] you won't be satisfied until you read something that agrees with your world view. So I picked some links [mostly with creation or believer in the title] to see what your reaction would be and, you didn't let me down. The science for; God, evolution, climate change is all subjective, there are positions on both sides. Regardless what you've heard, there is no consensus on any of these. That may not be what you'd like to hear and it may not be in agreement with your world view.

Welp, we may as well all go home. All questions of fact are reducible to that of worldview, and all worldviews are equal (except when they're not).

Good job, there.

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Reply #179 - September 08, 2014, 08:29 PM

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If you think that you're ready to make the next step now, a very simple prayer will get you on your way. Jesus, be my Lord and Saviour. The Bible says "confess with your lips and believe with your heart". That's it, deal done. No special ceremony [as this is a personal transaction as an individual], actually, the preferred method of prayer is in private so as to "not appear boastful" in front of people, crowds.

Interesting. Funny the same thing also works for Vishnu, Allah, Waheguru, Baal, wishing stars, bunny foots, clovers, and lucky coins.
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