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  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #60 - September 08, 2014, 12:36 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:23 AM
    but is that for  biological  existence or existence of this universe??   anyways  let me  watch this before I come back to your post..
    I'd say both.
    There is a guy named Louie Giglio [http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLouie_Giglio&ei=dvYMVP_QIY6eugTJm4G4BQ&usg=AFQjCNHRLv_wToX305VuN-qRmzBLxKzVAg&bvm=bv.74649129,d.c2E] that seems to do a good job of putting this in perspective.

    Hmmm.. Louie Giglio., That name sounds familiar...



    Gigolo sounds better.,  but  I wonder whether that guy has problem as he tries to bash gays in his sermons.. Anyway that is nothing to do with me., What is he  NASA scientist worked in Bell Labs?? or he Emotional speaker/preacher??

    Well I am familar Christ/bible  stories but I am very unfamiliar with Preachers carpentaro., Anyways well I will read him
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #61 - September 08, 2014, 12:37 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on September 08, 2014, 12:19 AM
    Do whatever floats your boat, but remember that millions of other boats have been floated in millions of other ways.



    Do you deny that man has sought out relevance?  
    Dismissers seem to miss the spiritual aspect. They get hung up on their intellect that cannot fully explain their existence.    
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #62 - September 08, 2014, 12:48 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on September 08, 2014, 12:36 AM
    Hmmm.. Louie Giglio., That name sounds familiar...

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Gigolo sounds better.,  but  I wonder whether that guy has problem as he tries to bash gays in his sermons.. Anyway that is nothing to do with me., What is he  NASA scientist worked in Bell Labs?? or he Emotional speaker/preacher??

    Well I am familar Christ/bible  stories but I am very unfamiliar with Preachers carpentaro., Anyways well I will read him

    As with all, everyone is an individual, I'm not familiar with all of his statements. 
    He does do a very good job of speaking to the complexity of [what shall we call it?] creation. These in particular are what I was referring to.
    If you can see past his "preaching", to see the content describing the intricacy and interrelation.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #63 - September 08, 2014, 12:55 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:48 AM
    ...............
    If you can see past his "preaching", to see the content describing the intricacy and interrelation.

    well I came across so many religious preachers whose science background doesn't go beyond 10th grade  kids,  I am afraid of listening  them on subject like .,  Origin of Universe, Origins Biological evolution And evolution of Human being through Biological evolution carpentaro. So forgive me if I am bit skeptical ., Other problem is .. there is so much to do I often miss listening to Giglio types.. I am actually a reader not a tube watcher unless it is related to Science or fun..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hscvqDuHMlY
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #64 - September 08, 2014, 01:09 AM
    hmm this  one is good to watch...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22H89rIMHk
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #65 - September 08, 2014, 01:11 AM
    There is kind of a "catch 22" with a purely intellectual pursuit of meaning. The more man learns, the more he learns he can't explain. An intellectual  pursuit is a good starting point though, but there is more than just that.
    Resignation to giving credence to only what is in front of you is a limitation that is self imposed.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #66 - September 08, 2014, 01:14 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:37 AM

    Do you deny that man has sought out relevance?  
    Dismissers seem to miss the spiritual aspect. They get hung up on their intellect that cannot fully explain their existence.    


    Why of course we've looked for relevance. We've given ourselves all sorts of narratives and answers to comfort us in a world we don't fully understand. As you are searching for your compelling evidence, please do take a moment to review the compelling evidence in the Quran, the Vedas, the Guru Granth Sahib, and the epic adventures of Rick and Morty.

    You seem sincere in your faith. I hope that you are humble enough to understand that it is only that - faith, comforting and compelling to you primarily due to your unique history and circumstance. Turn the page to any other human being and the convictions can be drastically divergent.

    I marvel at the findings of our great scientists. I quote the Bible, recite the Quran, meditate before the Buddha, rock to Kurt cobain, rap to Rakim, and find the writings of the Gurus remarkably profound. But I have no idea what this life is really all about, and neither can you. I am healthily skeptical of anyone who claims they do know.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #67 - September 08, 2014, 01:15 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:11 AM
    There is kind of a "catch 22" with a purely intellectual pursuit of meaning. The more man learns, the more he learns he can't explain. An intellectual  pursuit is a good starting point though, but there is more than just that. Resignation to giving credence to only what is in front of you is a limitation that is self imposed.

    You are absolutely right  carpentaro., we got to go beyond what is in front of us., At the same time we should never stop questioning what is said and published..  You must realize these religions/ religious gibberish are NOTHING TO DO., or very little to do  with exploring ideas  but more to do with controlling your freedom to explore new ideas..  Indeed Human brain and its function is  extremely complex .. please watch that tube in the above post..

    So how many of you guys watched that movie Rain man??
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wjgMtNF3Ms
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #68 - September 08, 2014, 01:33 AM
    The ability to "discern" what is good. Exactly, I like Cobain's music, a tortured soul yet out came brilliance.
    Do I agree with his lifestyle [would I choose to be like him]? No. Do I agree with every word that has come out of Louie Giglio's mouth? No. Yet, I can like them both, and for different reasons.
    Christianity for me has satisfied most of my questions and on the remainder I choose to rely on faith.
    So, part intellectual, and part spiritual, as that is how I believe our beings are composed.
     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #69 - September 08, 2014, 01:42 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:33 AM
    The ability to "discern" what is good. Exactly, I like Cobain's music, a tortured soul yet out came brilliance.
    Do I agree with his lifestyle [would I choose to be like him]? No. Do I agree with every word that has come out of Louie Giglio's mouth?

    .. Good I am glad to know that carpentaro., So you pick and choose in what to believe and what not to believe And I am sure you will use same method to bible or for that matter any religious book..
    Quote
    No. Yet, I can like them both, and for different reasons.

    Well what you like may be entirely different from what is Truth..
    Quote
    Christianity for me has satisfied most of my questions and on the remainder I choose to rely on faith.
    So, part intellectual, and part spiritual, as that is how I believe our beings are composed.

    It may have satisfied you because you have faith and a believer but I am sure you  also question some parts of Christianity and some saying in Bible..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #70 - September 08, 2014, 01:46 AM
    The Bible is an interesting book when you don't take it literally, it's pretty batshit crazy when you do. The same is true for the Quran and every other religious text I've come across. I'd agree with you that without reason, blind faith is dangerous.

    I'm actually beyond finding debates about the "truth" of religions fulfilling. They've all got some great stuff with plenty of horrible stuff spread throughout. In almost every case, it is the virtue of the individual person that determines which parts they are likely to gravitate towards. Those virtues are, interestingly enough, available completely independently of the religions that have adopted them. They are human virtues. I put more faith I'm humanity than in the gods, though one often only reflects the nature of the other.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #71 - September 08, 2014, 01:57 AM
    The freedom within that belief system to question.
    Where did the ability to come from?
    Is this a common innate ability?
    Getting past the limitations of the unanswerable [humility, self-effacing...] is where faith provides solace.  
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #72 - September 08, 2014, 02:07 AM
    And, interestingly, a lot of what you seem to be saying to present a good argument for theology are things I'd bring up to begin to argue against it. You seem to acknowledge that we have an inherent desire to look for the supernatural in emotional circumstances, that pretty much everything is colored by interpretation and is therefore subjective. But how do you think this supports what you're saying?

    I mean, you must know that religions--and you can say, "Yes, religions, just not my religion," at this part, and that's fine--were usually made to explain natural forces that we just weren't equipped to understand at the time. And everything you're saying, in my mind, is really just reinforcing the human weakness that produced these religions and reduces some to clinging to them when they've outlived their original purpose. That same weakness that made them survive after we had those answers, after we produced laws and standards more humane and organized than that of any religious text I've ever seen.

    I get that you think there are scientific reasons to pluck Christianity out of the bunch and promote it as truth, but if there's any fairness and objectivity in you, or the willingness to learn and be corrected--and I'd like to think that there must be--I am afraid you're about to be a little bit disappointed when you do that research for me. Like HM originally said, I'll be far more impressed with you and understanding of your position if you at least stick to what you know. To see you say that it is all faith, that it's all what makes you feel good, that the facts don't matter. After all, who can argue with that?
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #73 - September 08, 2014, 02:10 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 01:57 AM
    The freedom within that belief system to question.
    Where did the ability to come from?
    Is this a common innate ability?
    Getting past the limitations of the unanswerable [humility, self-effacing...] is where faith provides solace.  

    Are we speaking of the same teacher who said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."?

    If so, apart from coming across as rather narcissistic, it doesn't sound very conducive to the spirit of inquiry. Those teachings also codified in canon the despicable concept of eternal damnation, which seems rather unnecessary.

    Again, your faith works for you. But it is decidedly exclusive. Those human beings who are very different from you would be denied that luxury on account mostly of when, where, and to whom they were born. This strikes me as a rather unjust way for a just God to operate.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #74 - September 08, 2014, 02:37 AM
    Interestingly enough, I believe that it is that intrinsic ability to recognise [cognitive understanding] that there is that "bigger than me" out there.
    When my daughter was quite young, and nothing could console her [crying incessantly], I would wrap her up and take her outside and she would become quiet.
    She recognised  her smallness in something that was way bigger than her.
    Now, you could explain away the fact that she was; in a new environment, primal self-preservation, cold, distracted...
    But I could see that there was a recognition that she was a very small part of something that was very big.
    We all have that ability, some are more willing to quiet themselves to behold.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #75 - September 08, 2014, 02:44 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on September 08, 2014, 02:10 AM
    Are we speaking of the same teacher who said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."?

    If so, apart from coming across as rather narcissistic, it doesn't sound very conducive to the spirit of inquiry. Those teachings also codified in canon the despicable concept of eternal damnation, which seems rather unnecessary.

    Again, your faith works for you. But it is decidedly exclusive. Those human beings who are very different from you would be denied that luxury on account mostly of when, where, and to whom they were born. This strikes me as a rather unjust way for a just God to operate.

    At some point, you've got to pull the trigger. If it is true, it'll stand up. You can't stand on the side and quibble and say it doesn't work if you've never tried it. And I'm not just talking of any and all religion.
    With some religions, there is a way to exit barring death.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #76 - September 08, 2014, 02:48 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 02:37 AM
    that intrinsic ability to recognise [cognitive understanding] that there is that "bigger than me" out there.

    The sense that there is something 'bigger than me' is really rather basic.

    I've always had it, and have never felt the need to rustle up a god in order to make sense of my own insignificance.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #77 - September 08, 2014, 02:48 AM
    Quote from: lua on September 08, 2014, 02:07 AM
    And, interestingly, a lot of what you seem to be saying to present a good argument for theology are things I'd bring up to begin to argue against it. You seem to acknowledge that we have an inherent desire to look for the supernatural in emotional circumstances, that pretty much everything is colored by interpretation and is therefore subjective. But how do you think this supports what you're saying?

    I mean, you must know that religions--and you can say, "Yes, religions, just not my religion," at this part, and that's fine--were usually made to explain natural forces that we just weren't equipped to understand at the time. And everything you're saying, in my mind, is really just reinforcing the human weakness that produced these religions and reduces some to clinging to them when they've outlived their original purpose. That same weakness that made them survive after we had those answers, after we produced laws and standards more humane and organized than that of any religious text I've ever seen.

    I get that you think there are scientific reasons to pluck Christianity out of the bunch and promote it as truth, but if there's any fairness and objectivity in you, or the willingness to learn and be corrected--and I'd like to think that there must be--I am afraid you're about to be a little bit disappointed when you do that research for me. Like HM originally said, I'll be far more impressed with you and understanding of your position if you at least stick to what you know. To see you say that it is all faith, that it's all what makes you feel good, that the facts don't matter. After all, who can argue with that?

    Small steps first. Is there something bigger than me? Yes? No?
    Flow chart with the answer of a few questions.
    That doesn't take scientific research, just a search of yourself.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #78 - September 08, 2014, 02:51 AM
    Quote from: David on September 08, 2014, 02:48 AM
    The sense that there is something 'bigger than me' is really rather basic.

    I've always had it, and have never felt the need to rustle up a god in order to make sense of my own insignificance.

    I never said that the search was hard. People make it much harder than it really is.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #79 - September 08, 2014, 02:53 AM
    Quote from: David on September 08, 2014, 02:48 AM
    The sense that there is something 'bigger than me' is really rather basic.

    I've always had it, and have never felt the need to rustle up a god in order to make sense of my own insignificance.


    Look at ocean. Look at night sky. HOLY SHIT THAT MUST MEAN GOD!!!!!!11
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #80 - September 08, 2014, 02:55 AM
    Quote from: asbie on September 08, 2014, 02:53 AM
    Look at ocean. Look at night sky. HOLY SHIT THAT MUST MEAN GOD!!!!!!11


    Better yet, look at ocean, under night sky. Doupleplusgod.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #81 - September 08, 2014, 02:56 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 02:48 AM
    Small steps first. Is there something bigger than me? Yes? No?
    Flow chart with the answer of a few questions.
    That doesn't take scientific research, just a search of yourself.


    If you are being fair, that wouldn't be the only two options. As it often is, the best answer is in the middle. What about saying that you don't know if there is something greater than yourself in the sense that you mean it? I don't know, but I believe there is. Why not say that?

    What is wrong with having the humility to admit that there is nothing but the feeling in your gut to substantiate your belief in a higher power? Anyone who says yes or no with certainty has misunderstood the word "know."
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #82 - September 08, 2014, 02:59 AM
    Looking and not seeing. Now, where did that come from? You've only made a part of the journey.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #83 - September 08, 2014, 03:03 AM
    Quote from: lua on September 08, 2014, 02:56 AM
    If you are being fair, that wouldn't be the only two options. As it often is, the best answer is in the middle. What about saying that you don't know if there is something greater than yourself in the sense that you mean it? I don't know, but I believe there is. Why not say that?

    What is wrong with having the humility to admit that there is nothing but the feeling in your gut to substantiate your belief in a higher power? Anyone who says yes or no with certainty has misunderstood the word "know."

    This was only meant to be a rough outline. Every individual will have their own set of circumstances.
    Overly simplistic, but valid in that the first step is in inquiring.
    Admitting not knowing is a good first step.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #84 - September 08, 2014, 03:11 AM
    I should have more clearly voiced my issue with "yes" and "no" even being up there to begin with. Like he said:

    Quote
    I quote the Bible, recite the Quran, meditate before the Buddha, rock to Kurt cobain, rap to Rakim, and find the writings of the Gurus remarkably profound. But I have no idea what this life is really all about, and neither can you. I am healthily skeptical of anyone who claims they do know.

  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #85 - September 08, 2014, 03:33 AM
    But I have no idea what this life is really all about, and neither can you.

    Just because I can't run the 100 in under 10 seconds, doesn't mean that no one can.
  • Re: Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #86 - September 08, 2014, 04:57 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 07, 2014, 11:15 PM
    There have been exhaustive studies of Biblical accuracy; historically, prophetically, and scientifically. I find that the weight of evidence for its' accuracy tends to agree with its' authenticity.
    Perhaps Christians are wanting to reassure themselves that they've not been duped.  


    Wait, what? The confirmed theory of evolution, the biological basis of homosexuality, the impossibility of Noah's arc, etc. The bible, and all other religious scriptures have so many things wrong, with only so few things right.

    I do hope that you bring forth any evidence to support your claims, and perhaps less random quotations and out-of-context posts.
    أشهد أن لا إله
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #87 - September 08, 2014, 05:57 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 07, 2014, 11:15 PM
    There have been exhaustive studies of Biblical accuracy; historically, prophetically, and scientifically. I find that the weight of evidence for its' accuracy tends to agree with its' authenticity.
    Perhaps Christians are wanting to reassure themselves that they've not been duped.  


    Completely disagree in the religious aspect of Judaism and that of history.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #88 - September 08, 2014, 06:30 AM
    Everyone has their biases.

    There is a story about a sinking ship, and a man is drowning. He pleads "God, save me".
    As he is pleading, a lifeboat goes by. The man expecting God to save him, lets it go by.
    This happens two more time, and the man drowns waiting for God to save him.
    The drown man is before God in heaven and asks God why He did not save the man.
    God says" I sent three boats to save you".

    You choose to believe what you believe. All I am supposed to do is inform of an alternative.
    Don't miss the boat.

  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #89 - September 08, 2014, 06:43 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 06:30 AM

    God says" I sent three boats to save you".

    nah!  my god is sending boat every second.  ., three boats are for people like you  dear carpentaro.,  

    Quote
    You choose to believe what you believe. All I am supposed to do is inform of an alternative.
    Don't miss the boat.

    only one alternative or more than one that is mentioned in the book?

      The Evolution of Belief

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql2yz7XDs2A
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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