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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1380 - October 09, 2014, 07:35 PM

    IS would have to attack through Kurdish areas in Turkey. The Turkish military is dug heavily in there and the Kurdish population is hardly going to supportive of IS militants.



    Of course with Turkey more or less freely letting IS people in and out they are already infiltrated.

    Also IS has reportedly lost a number of tanks and artillery pieces around Kobane to US air strikes as B1 bombers have been circled above the city occasionally finding a target and firing at it for the last three days. So they are running out of armour. With the US now using Apache helicopters in Iraq they should feel some increased military pressure.

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  • Re: 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1381 - October 09, 2014, 08:06 PM

    the face of fascism

    yup. Just like another nice little bunch of neo-Nazis. Bugger all difference.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1382 - October 09, 2014, 08:22 PM

    And @cahitstorm reports he has been arrested about an hour ago.

    Arrested by who?

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1383 - October 09, 2014, 08:36 PM

    yup. Just like another nice little bunch of neo-Nazis. Bugger all difference.


    There is even a 'salute', with that silly finger pointing cloudwards nonsense.
    .

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1384 - October 09, 2014, 08:36 PM

    If the Turks invade, and IS starts attacking Turkey,like the Taliban does in Pakistan and salafi jihadis in Egypt, that would devastate tourism and other sectors of Turkeys booming economy, on top of all the deaths and lack of security.Nato wouldn't be required to intervene, and Turks would be forced to advance deeper and deeper south,with nationbuilding that follows...and all the hostile groups that aren't IS targeting Turkish troops and personel.


    Well they should have thought of that when they were letting all these thugs cross their border to go and fight for IS.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1385 - October 09, 2014, 08:38 PM

    There is even a 'salute', with that silly finger pointing cloudwards nonsense.
    .

    Cool. If I ever meet them, I'll be sure to give them the finger. Smiley

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1386 - October 09, 2014, 08:38 PM

    Well they should have thought of that when they were letting all these thugs cross their border to go and fight for IS.

    No shit. yes

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1387 - October 09, 2014, 08:43 PM

    Cool. If I ever meet them, I'll be sure to give them the finger. Smiley


    Like this perhaps?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxF_9K1A3BA

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1388 - October 09, 2014, 08:50 PM

    Something like that.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1389 - October 09, 2014, 09:06 PM

    There is even a 'salute', with that silly finger pointing cloudwards nonsense.
    .

    God yeah, it they weren't such nasty people that gesture would be hilarious.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1390 - October 09, 2014, 09:13 PM

    There is even a black-clad Gestapo unit, like 'Jihadi John' and his cohorts.

    Perhaps there will be a Nuremberg Trials for these guys one day, with al-Bagdadi blowing his own brains out in a bunker somewhere. We live in hope.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1391 - October 09, 2014, 10:24 PM

    One thing to point out is that if the Turks get involved, they risk the war getting into their cities and towns. Unlike the americans&europeans the effect on Turkish security and economic development could be devastating, because of the border. Note that tourism is one biggest incomes for Turkey, a threat from IS would decimate tourism. If you look at how reluctant western countries,who share no border with Syria and Iraq, to put boots on the ground, what would you expect from the Turks?


     I believe the issue is not about protecting it's citizens but the fact that Turkey is not nearly so stable of a nation as people want to believe. After all this is the same country which turned on it's liberal population over the last few years over a park.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1392 - October 10, 2014, 12:59 AM

    Soschizo, Revolutionary Socialist. ex-Muslim,  says something and Khalil says  something  "Yeez, those who follow Harris and Hitchins blindly are no better than Muslims silently supporting Jihad." and he says   "Don't listen to people who tell war is good even on ISIS, when you know these people have ruined many countries before with their war."  

    Khalil is my type of guy ., Somewhere I said I too  support ISIS if they start their Jihad in Madina in Saudi Arabia  . That is the birth place of Islam and that is the right place for them to start their Islam.

    Anyway   I want to discuss more with Khalil and the thread is locked and I see this on ISIS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxF_9K1A3BA

    I am lost. as Khalil said "Yeez you misunderstood me"., I may be misunderstanding many things including this news from Turkey..   So news says

    At least 27 people were killed in protests over the government´s policy on Islamic State (IS) militants.
    Quote
    ISTANBUL: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed Thursday that the peace process with Kurdish rebels would not be derailed by "sabotage", after at least 27 people were killed in protests over the government´s policy on Islamic State (IS) militants.

    Ankara has not intervened militarily against IS jihadists trying to take the mainly Kurdish town of Kobane just across the Syrian border, to the fury of Turkey´s Kurds. Protesters in several cities in the southeast of the country with large Kurdish populations clashed with police for the fourth day running, in the worst outbreak of such violence in years.

    The trouble has sparked fears that the standoff over Kobane could endanger talks between the government and the outlawed Kurdistan Workers´ Party (PKK) fighting an insurgency for self-rule in southeast Turkey.

    Erdogan blamed the unrest on the "dark forces" seeking to sabotage the delicate peace process to end 30 years of violence that has claimed at least 40,000 lives. "It´s very obvious that this game is aimed at sabotaging the peaceful environment in the east and southeast as well as the peace process and our brotherhood," Erdogan said. ..


    So that is the news some 27 protestors killed Sure they must be Kurds..

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  • Re: 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1393 - October 10, 2014, 07:43 AM

    Well they should have thought of that when they were letting all these thugs cross their border to go and fight for IS.

    Not sure if there's good evidence for that being deliberate. Why haven't other countries in the EU stopped them from leaving if they knew where they were heading. Once they get to Turkey, there's a large border.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1394 - October 10, 2014, 07:52 AM

    It is not illegal to go to Syria in itself. It is not illegal to be fighting on the front neither for nor against the Assad regime.

    Also to avoid suspicion people buy return tickets to Turkey. They just don't return.

    Turkey has deliberately cut down large distances of their own border fence to Syria to allow people to "slip in" according to eye witnesses.

    Also it has been described how a phone call can make the border search lights turn in other directions.

    It has been all over the Turkish non-AKP-controlled press for months. Remember that Turkey is the country with the highest number of imprisoned journalists.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1395 - October 10, 2014, 08:12 AM

    I've seen reports from western newspapers, but have been cautious to believe, especially since alot of things related to IS turns out to be false. But if the Turkish government is doing that deliberately, it would be stupid on another level...cutting fences to a raging civil war. At the same time though, if they raise fences...you could say that hundreds of thousands of refugees would have to walk greater distances.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1396 - October 10, 2014, 09:13 AM

    The refugees are generally let in through ordinary border crossings and passed on to UNHCR. It also helps Turkey's image as an ally in the fight against Assad and has been recruiting grounds for anti-Assad fighters.

    This is from January:
    Turkey declares vanishing truck to Syria 'state secret'

    Quote
    A similar intervention occurred on Jan. 1 when a truck was stopped in Hatay, a province bordering Syria, following a tip that it was transporting weapons. Despite their attempts to perform their duties, the security forces and the prosecutor were scandalously barred from searching the vehicle. The suspicious truck was whisked away from the prosecutor, the gendarmerie forces and the police on the grounds that it constituted a “state secret.” Regional prosecutor Ozcan Sisman was threatened by about 15 members of the National Intelligence Organization (MIT) when he insisted on searching the truck. The prosecutor was forced to quit the probe and was eventually transferred from Adana to Gaziantep. It was effectively a punishment. Sisman was replaced by Gaziantep prosecutor Aziz Takci, who also took over the truck case.
    [...]
    The truck that carried the “state secret” was supposed to enter Syria through the Oncupinar border crossing, which opens on a region controlled partly by the Salafist-dominated Islamic Front and partly by the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). The route fuelled suspicions over possible links between those groups and the Turkish government.


    Links in the article.

    Not many people in Turkey support IS but the AKP government and the various "deep state" agencies play their own games.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1397 - October 10, 2014, 02:47 PM

    Please don't forget the Syrian people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URbHX01WGC0
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1398 - October 12, 2014, 08:45 AM

    Updates from some Danish Kurds on Facebook:

    IS is being pressed back in Kobane
    The US Air Force has continually had B1 bombers circling above Kobane, occasionally hitting targets, which has taken out IS tanks and artillery
    IS is said to behead their own who wanted to pull back from Kobane.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1399 - October 12, 2014, 10:09 AM

    Harrowing tales have unearthed during the latest days of devastated families. One case is a young woman who converted to Islam in December and went to Syria in April after a Nikah Skype with a Danish Jihadist there. Her (Muslim) former best friend here in Denmark was on TV and telling the story and said the radicalisation went extremely fast from being a liberal-minded laid back. She had immigrant background but her family is not Muslim.

    Isis seducing Danish women to seek paradise
    Quote
    At least 15 Danish women have traveled to Syria to support or join Isis, according to a renowned terror expert who told The Local that what the women expect and what they get are two wildly different things.

    Of the more than 100 Danes who have travelled to Syria to fight in that country's civil war, at least 15 have been women.
     
    Magnus Ranstorp, a terrorism expert at the Swedish National Defence College, told The Local that many European women are going to Syria to marry jihadists, having been seduced by slick social media messages and the belief that they will be rewarded both on earth and in the afterlife if their husband becomes a martyr.
     
    “There is a sense of excitement. There is a romanticised view of wanting to marry a martyr. There is a death cult and an obsession with getting to paradise. The women also get special privileges if they are married to a martyr. If you’re married to a fighter who has died, you rise up among the other women,” Ranstorp said.

    “There is also this doomsday prophecy about judgement day and a fight against the false messiah. So they see what’s going on in Syria as a sacred moment in time in a sacred place,” he added.

    Ranstorp explained that jihadists believe that martyrs are allowed to bring 70 family members with them to paradise if they die as a martyr fighting for jihad. Thus many of the women see their decision to marry a fighter as a “heroic” decision for their family and their community.
     
    Ranstorp said that Isis is very effective at recruiting women via social media and that the jihadists’ message can appeal to women who are in a very patriarchal environment.
     
    “They are often not free to marry who they want, so in some ways this seems sort of liberating – that they can choose their own destiny and go down and marry a martyr. However, what they don’t understand is that once get into Isis’s ranks, they are at their mercy,” he said.

    Many of the women who are seduced by the Isis message to leave Western societies find out that it is not what they thought it would be.
     
    “Many of the women are calling home crying, many of them have a kid with one of these guys. They call home crying saying ‘Get me out of here,’ but of course there is no way to help them. They are stuck there. They are not allowed to travel outside of the cities without a male escort,” Ranstorp said.
     
    Ranstorp said that once one joins the jihadi environment, it’s like entering a different world.
     
    “They take on new personas, they often adopt a nom de guerre, with the men taking on a name that includes ‘Abu’ or ‘father’ and the women a name including ‘Umm’ or ‘mother’. So they take on these personas and create this world in which they live in, which becomes an echo chamber of extremism. And these things eventually find their way into the bedroom of some girl surfing the internet in Denmark and some of them get sucked in,” Ranstorp said.

    Ranstorp told The Local that the best thing Denmark can do is to accept that women can’t be stopped from going to Syria and to instead focus on what to do when they come back. He said it would be particularly effective to have women who have actually been in Syria share their stories with others.
     
    “Someone needs to tell them that it is no bed of roses down there. They will literally pass you around as a sex slave. There will be women who will have sex with different men every night and they are completely at their mercy,” he said.
     
    According to a report from DR, at least two women who left Denmark were killed while in Syria.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1400 - October 12, 2014, 10:16 AM

    Ahh, the zealously of a convert.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1401 - October 12, 2014, 07:56 PM

    zealously


    You made that word up... admit it!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1402 - October 12, 2014, 08:20 PM

    You made that word up... admit it!


    Real word but think he meant zealousy!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1403 - October 12, 2014, 08:23 PM

    Really? Gosh... I would have said: zealotry.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1404 - October 12, 2014, 08:30 PM

    Really? Gosh... I would have said: zealotry.


    Tru' dat!

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1405 - October 12, 2014, 11:55 PM

    Islamic State Officially Admits to Enslaving Yazidi Women

    http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/islamic-state-officially-admits-to-enslaving-yazidi-women/

    that is very hard to read, it leaves you reeling. But I think it must be read.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1406 - October 13, 2014, 03:52 AM

    Islamic State Officially Admits to Enslaving Yazidi Women

    http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/islamic-state-officially-admits-to-enslaving-yazidi-women/

    that is very hard to read, it leaves you reeling. But I think it must be read.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRk09u2uIJM#t=21

    That is new to Islam.. It happened innumerable times in history of Islam

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1407 - October 13, 2014, 12:03 PM

    Even IS supporters have been denying the slavery claims. I really hope some of these fuckwits see the reality of what they are defending. I also think there will be many there who joined them realising what fucking idiots they have been 
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1408 - October 13, 2014, 12:05 PM

    It's a shame that it had to come to this to wake Muslims up.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1409 - October 13, 2014, 12:07 PM

    Islamic State Officially Admits to Enslaving Yazidi Women

    http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/islamic-state-officially-admits-to-enslaving-yazidi-women/

    that is very hard to read, it leaves you reeling. But I think it must be read.


    Quote
    Salafi jurisprudence site explains when slaves can be taken http://islamqa.info/en/12562  sex with "female prisoners of war" http://islamqa.info/en/20085


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