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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1470 - October 15, 2014, 10:30 PM
    Quote from: moi on October 15, 2014, 10:15 PM
    Is IS getting baathist support?

    Jup

    Military Skill and Terrorist Technique Fuel Success of ISIS

    Snippet from above article (which is two months old):

    Quote
    At the top the organization is the self-declared leader of all Muslims, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a radical chief executive officer of sorts, who handpicked many of his deputies from among the men he met while a prisoner in American custody at the Camp Bucca detention center a decade ago.

    He had a preference for military men, and so his leadership team includes many officers from Saddam Hussein’s long-disbanded army.

    They include former Iraqi officers like Fadel al-Hayali, the top deputy for Iraq, who once served Mr. Hussein as a lieutenant colonel, and Adnan al-Sweidawi, a former lieutenant colonel who now heads the group’s military council.

    The pedigree of its leadership, outlined by an Iraqi who has seen documents seized by the Iraqi military, as well as by American intelligence officials, helps explain its battlefield successes: Its leaders augmented traditional military skill with terrorist techniques refined through years of fighting American troops, while also having deep local knowledge and contacts. ISIS is in effect a hybrid of terrorists and an army.

    After ISIS stormed into Mosul, one official recalled a startling phone call from a former major general in one of Mr. Hussein’s elite forces. The former general had appealed months earlier to rejoin the Iraqi Army, but the official had refused. Now the general was fighting for ISIS and threatened revenge.

    “We will reach you soon, and I will chop you into pieces,” he said, according to the official, Bikhtiyar al-Qadi, of the commission that bars some former members of Mr. Hussein’s Baath Party from government posts.

    ISIS’s success has alarmed American and regional security officials, who say it fights more like an army than most insurgent groups, holding territory and coordinating operations across large areas.
    Continue reading the main story

    The group has also received support from other armed Sunni groups and former members of the Baath Party — which was founded as a secular movement — angry over their loss of status.

    “In the terrorism game, these guys are at the center of a near perfect storm of factors,” the American official said.

    Mr. Baghdadi’s deputies include 12 walis, or local rulers; a three-man war cabinet; and eight others who manage portfolios like finance, prisoners and recruitment.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1471 - October 15, 2014, 10:31 PM
    Re the FSA, both sides are capable of being cruel, of course, and some of those among them have been to shocking degrees according to the videos I've seen out of there, as I am inclined to believe that not all of the videos of FSA soldiers doing something reprehensible are just hoaxes orchestrated by Assad's men to make the FSA look bad, like my husband and others would say.

    Still, it's my understanding that members of the FSA came up with this whole ordeal that they were allegedly doing for a while, which is simultaneously so unfair and so clever that it's almost like evil mastermind shit. There was another video like this, but I'm having the hardest time finding it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiVo7Zl3stA
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1472 - October 15, 2014, 10:35 PM
    Of course it is not clean cut:

    Iraqi Baathists wage 'campaign of assassinations' against Islamic State

    Islamic State rounds up ex-Baathists to eliminate potential rivals in Iraq's Mosul
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1473 - October 15, 2014, 11:29 PM
    Kurds demonstrate in London by staging a Daesh slave market outside Parliament

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnyqYd3W_0&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1474 - October 15, 2014, 11:49 PM
    Awesome.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1475 - October 16, 2014, 01:30 AM
    Now that's a smart demonstration. yes


    Quote from: Adey5 on October 15, 2014, 10:20 PM
    British jihadis are depressed, lonely and need help, says Prof

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11164182/British-jihadis-are-depressed-lonely-and-need-help-says-Prof.html

    Of course this has nothing to do with religion, apparently it's video games or comics or the internet, and belief in fantasy worlds. that puts people at risk.

    His solution is that they probably need more religion. yup!  Thinking hard

    Brilliant. That'll work. Afro
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1476 - October 16, 2014, 09:15 AM
    Quote from: billy on October 15, 2014, 11:29 PM
    Kurds demonstrate in London by staging a Daesh slave market outside Parliament

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnyqYd3W_0&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop


    That is near Leicester Square not the Houses of Parliament.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1477 - October 16, 2014, 11:38 AM
    Past from the blast. Reminds me of CNT/FAI and POUM of the Spanish Civil War:

    The battle of Kobane is also women's battle

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    The battle against Kobane is not only a human rights' struggle. It is also a women's struggle and a fight toward a unique model of society that is contrary to everything that IS and surrounding more or less dictatorial states stand for.

    "In Rojava's newly written constitution, which consists of a social contract it states that " ... the democratic cantons Afrin, Jazira and Kobane form a group of Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians, Syrians, Turks, Armenians and Chechens who has signed a charter of freedom, justice, dignity and democracy in a society of equality and environmental sustainability.

    The Treaty is based on peaceful coexistence and guarantees fundamental human rights and freedoms, regardless of religion, language, ethnicity and gender.     "

    Ideas that are otherwise completely unknown to states in the region.

    Rojava is a unique experiment in world history. A democratic self-government, where women are leading.

    Just the words gender and equality are unheard important in this context. These are words that are not included in any of the neighboring states' constitutions - including Turkey.

    In Rojava there is no oppression of women. Violence against women does not exist apart from those committed by IS. No honour-related violence. No child marriages! The population - women, young people and various councils are organised in groups, which together make decisions and take control of their own lives.

    No state, no army. Kobane is defended by a self-defense force, where both women and men are organised.

    And that's exactly why IS attacking Kobane. They are terrified that this social model should serve as inspiration to other Middle Easterners who are tired and worn out by years of war and conflict. "- Latife Fegan, 73-year-old Female Legal activist, originally from Turkey, residing in Sweden since 1974.


    Latife Fegan is an activist in "Turkish and Kurdish women's peace initiative".

    Above is an excerpt from this source in Swedish: ”Slaget om Kobane är också kvinnokamp”

    Latife Fegan:


    And her Facebook page (mostly in Turkish and Kurdish).

    Revolutionary Spain 1936:


    A las barricadas:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZAgWC9G8WY

    Rojava (West Kurdistan), 2013:

    Barcelona, 1936:
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1478 - October 16, 2014, 06:57 PM
    Meanwhile.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1479 - October 16, 2014, 07:47 PM
    Good article. Thanks.

    Kurds are so incredible badass.

    And of course spendable. And they know it.

    There is reason they have a saying: "No friends but the Mountains".
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1480 - October 16, 2014, 09:11 PM
    Regarding Turkey's role - watch this article's embedded video. Article is in Danish but the video is in English.

    It seems like Erdogan wants to be the caliph instead of the caliph.

    "Turkey has really become Pakistan on the Mediterranean" (Pakistan has Taliban, Turkey has IS and both hate all their neighbours and play double games with their "allies")

    There will be a commercial in the beginning. I checked that it can be played by a lady I known in UK so hopefully it works for you guys'n'gals:

    Michael Rubin on Erdogan's sectarian game
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1481 - October 16, 2014, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: toor on October 16, 2014, 06:57 PM
    Meanwhile.

    Quote from: Nikolaj on October 16, 2014, 07:47 PM
    Good article. Thanks.

    Kurds are so incredible badass.

    And of course spendable. And they know it.

    There is reason they have a saying: "No friends but the Mountains".

    That was a fucking awesome job they did to hold the place, even with the air strikes giving some late support. You have to hand it to them. Afro
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1482 - October 16, 2014, 09:15 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 16, 2014, 09:13 PM
    That was a fucking awesome job they did to hold the place, even with the air strikes giving some late support. You have to hand it to them. Afro


    Agreed, have to say the only side I seem to have sympathy for is the Kurds. They seem to be the island of sanity in a sea of backbiting and clan-based violence.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1483 - October 16, 2014, 09:29 PM
    Bloody secular pluralistic egalitarian minority-protecting female-empowering pinky liberal commies, those Kurds! *Ptooie* finmad
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1484 - October 16, 2014, 09:30 PM
    Well the Rojava constitution is the only thing like it in the region (that I'm aware of). That in itself is impressive.
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1485 - October 16, 2014, 09:30 PM
    Quote from: Nikolaj on October 16, 2014, 09:29 PM
    Bloody secular pluralistic egalitarian minority-protecting female-empowering pinky liberal commies, those Kurds! *Ptooie* finmad

    Nuke them! finmad
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1486 - October 16, 2014, 09:35 PM
    Quote from: Nikolaj on October 16, 2014, 09:29 PM
    Bloody secular pluralistic egalitarian minority-protecting female-empowering pinky liberal commies, those Kurds! *Ptooie* finmad


    Damn commies!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1487 - October 16, 2014, 09:54 PM
    That article toor linked is interesting, as well as using a nice turn of phrase here and there.

    "Somebody’s little jihadi won’t be comin’ home to Hamburg or Tunis or Croydon, and it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of filthy woman-selling, child-raping swine." Afro

    That picture of the IS twat holding the YPJ fighter's head just made me want to kick him in the balls (for starters).

    Anyway, this:

    "All the Kurds of Kobane were trying to do was keep their town alive. And, to everyone’s surprise—and most of the big players’ annoyance—they succeeded. It’s the rarest thing in the world, a truly heroic story. But that’s what this is, and you can’t do much but be awed by it."
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1488 - October 16, 2014, 09:55 PM
    Looked at the rojava constitution, doesn't mention Islam or Sharia.Expected.Good.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1489 - October 16, 2014, 11:13 PM
    Quote from: toor on October 16, 2014, 06:57 PM
    Meanwhile.


    what a great writer
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1490 - October 16, 2014, 11:16 PM
    Quote from: Skywalker on October 16, 2014, 09:55 PM
    Looked at the rojava constitution, doesn't mention Islam or Sharia.Expected.Good.

    I did notice that the Yazidis got a specific mention some way into it. The inference seems to be that the authors felt it necessary to make it absolutely clear that, regardless of not being one of the Big Three Abrahamics, Yazidis were not to be treated like shit.

    The Constitution of the Rojava Cantons

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    Article 32

    a)- Everyone has the right to freedom of association with others, including the right to establish and freely join any political party, association, trade union and/or civil assembly.

    b) – In exercising the right to freedom of association, political, economic and cultural expression of all communities is protected. This serves to protect the rich and diverse heritage of the peoples of the Autonomous Regions.

    c) – The Yazidi religion is a recognized religion and its adherents’ rights to freedom of association and expression is explicitly protected. The protection of Yazidi religious, social and cultural life may be guaranteed through the passage of laws by the Legislative Assembly.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1491 - October 16, 2014, 11:42 PM
    Incidentally, I just found out that "Peshmerga" literally means "those who face death". That's a ripper of a name for an armed force.
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1492 - October 17, 2014, 12:59 AM
    That is why when the Iranian "Peshmerga" forces ran from the Yezidi town of Shingal - WITHOUT WARNING THE INHABITANTS - they lost all credibility.

    Ever since then "Peshmerga" has fought for every inch to get their reputation back.

    Their reputation didn't help when YPG/YPJ forces did what the Peshmerga couldn't do and fought their way all the way from Syria to mount Shingal in Iraq and saved tens of thousands of trapped Yezidis and others, brought them to their area in Syria and let them flee back into Iraqi Kurdistan to join friends and families there.

    There is a reason that the men in YPG and the females in YPJ don't call themselves "Peshmerga".

    Also, both militias organise non-Kurds, so being Kurd-centered will not benefit YPG/YPJ.
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1493 - October 17, 2014, 03:52 AM
    Hmm, looks like it's not over yet.

    Islamic State 'being driven out of Kobane' Note the present tense: "being driven".

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    The Islamic State (IS) militant group has been driven out of most of the northern Syrian town of Kobane, a Kurdish commander has told the BBC.

    Baharin Kandal said IS fighters had retreated from all areas, except for two pockets of resistance in the east.

    US-led air strikes have helped push back the militants, with another 14 conducted over the past 24 hours.

    <snip>

    One 32-year-old Kurdish militia commander, who leads the fighting in the east of the city, told me she hoped the city would be "fully liberated" very soon.


    And this: Kurds hold out in Kobane

    Quote
    Mursitpinar (Turkey) (AFP) - Kurdish fighters backed by a flurry of US-led air strikes were still holding out Thursday against jihadists in Kobane, as an Islamic State offensive on the Syrian border town entered its second month.

    <snip>

    The Americans said they held direct talks at the weekend in Paris with the main Syrian Kurdish group whose forces have been battling IS, adding they had yet to discuss arming the fighters.

    The Kurds claimed to have pushed IS back in parts of Kobane, but the Pentagon warned that the multinational strikes may not prevent the town's fall even though hundreds of jihadists are thought to have been killed.

    IOW, the US may still decide Kobane is not worth saving. This is because the US firmly believes in freedom. And, of course, because the US only ever got involved against IS due to humanitarian concerns and, obviously, letting the inhabitants of Kobane be massacred would be perfectly in line with a humanitarian mission. yes
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1494 - October 17, 2014, 10:09 AM
    The Daily Show's Jon Stewart on 15th October 2014 on Turkey:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AawCeJREHWw
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1495 - October 17, 2014, 03:56 PM
    Kurdish official: ISIS and their flag gone from Kobane

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    KOBANE—Islamist militants have been pushed out of Kobane and fighters of the Peoples Protection Units (YPG) are now in control of the town, a Kurdish official in Kobane told Rudaw.

    “There is no ISIS in Kobane now,” said Omar Alush, co-chair of the TEV-DEM movement in Kobane.

    Alush said that following the recent air strikes on positions of the Islamic State (IS) militants in Kobane, the YPG managed to drive the rest of the jihadis out of town and that they are now in control.

    “YPG fighters are now searching the homes for bombs and explosives that the Islamist militants might have left behind,” said Alush.

    IS militants laid siege to the Kurdish town of Kobane on the Turkish-Syrian border last month, pounding the town with heavy artillery and tanks.

    With support from US air strikes, the YPG held the town and eventually managed to turn the tide against the IS.

    “Kobane is quiet now and the flag of ISIS is gone,” Alush maintained.

    Alush said that the jihadis still hold Kani Arab and Gire Mishtanur, close to Kobane.

    “Fighting is still going on between the ISIS and YPG on the eastern outskirts of the town,” he said.

    Alush said that the air strikes were effective in pushing back the militants, however, he said, the coalition forces should cut off the ISIS supply route from other parts of Syria “because we have information that the group is preparing for another assault on Kobane.”


    Regarding that last part with IS regrouping for another attack:

    US holds first direct talks with PYD

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    WASHINGTON—The United States held direct talks with the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) for the first time over the weekend, US State Department spokesperson said on Thursday.

    “We have for some time had conversations through intermediaries with the PYD. We have engaged over the course of just last weekend with the PYD,” Jen Psaki told reporters.

    The PYD is the dominant Kurdish party in Syrian Kurdistan (Rojava) led by Salih Muslim.

    Psaki said that the talks between the US government and PYD had taken place outside the region without providing further details.

    PYD’s armed wing, the Peoples Protection Units (YPG) has been locked in a fierce battle with Islamic State (IS) militants in Kobane for a month.

    The news of talks between the US and PYD come a day after US jets conducted an intensive round of air strikes against IS positions in and around Kobane.

    Meanwhile, PYD leader Salih Muslim is holding talks with leaders of Iraqi Kurdistan and other Kurdish parties over the status of Rojava’s autonomous cantons and the defense of Kobane and other PYD-held territories.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1496 - October 17, 2014, 10:28 PM
    Y'know I was thinking about the social experiment going on in Rojava, and thinking that there are going to be an awful lot of people who would want to crush it.
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1497 - October 17, 2014, 10:52 PM
    Not sure if anyone posted about this 8 year old boy rescued from IS:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29641802





  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1498 - October 18, 2014, 09:13 AM
    Quote from: Abu Ali on October 17, 2014, 10:52 PM
    Not sure if anyone posted about this 8 year old boy rescued from IS:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29641802  

    There must be some  juice behind that stone .,   The news on ISIS says   ISIS is selling Muslim women to Jews, according to Imam Saleh Jawhar.

    Quote
    The coalition to fight ISIS is a fraud and ISIS is selling Muslim women to Jews, according to Imam Saleh Jawhar.  In a video released by MEMRI, The Middle East Media Research Institute, Jawhar can be seen making the remarks in a recent sermon in Kuwait.

    “Even if we accept everything else – what kind of religion allows the capturing of a Muslim woman, and on top of that, allows her to be sold to a Jew?!” the cleric asked in the sermon entitled “The False War on ISIS [Islamic State].” Jawhar pointed to Islamic State’s successes in the northern Syrian town of Kobani as evidence that the US-led coalition’s fight against the extremist Islamist group may not be real.

    “Today, on the northern border of Syria, all those countries are fighting ISIS, yet ISIS has managed to capture that city [Kobani]... Is this conceivable? Or perhaps there is a premeditated scenario at play here,” he said.

    “It was reported that ISIS members had managed to survive the air strikes by starting fires and generating black smoke that concealed them. But [the coalition] has cameras, and can even smash through rocks, and see through cave walls, so how come they cannot see through some smoke?” he queried.

    Jawhar said the coalition itself created the radical organization, and has a vested interest in its survival.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_6anl4U5Y

    “These people, commanded by Mistress America, are lying hypocrites. They do not really want to fight ISIS and destroy it,” he said.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1499 - October 18, 2014, 05:24 PM
    I find it  very ironic that muslims who call out other muslims for being "MODERNISTS"over rejecting other ancient aspects of islam (ie anti gay stance, rejection of Evolution) will themselves put on the modernist hat when it comes to the ISIS Caliphate simply because of the bad rep unanimously that ISIS have.
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