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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1080 - September 24, 2014, 02:48 PM

    Thanks for that video, Tonyt Afro

    Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait. But Turkey in particular:

    Western media wakes up to Turkey's IS links

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    AUTHOR
    Amberin Zaman
    POSTED
    September 22, 2014

    His office has changed, but not his habits. Following a series of international media reports linking Turkey to the Islamic State (IS), President Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke of a conspiracy. Blasting The New York Times story about residents of Ankara’s Hacibayram neighborhood joining IS, he used the now-familiar “shameless” and “vile” epithets. His target this time was Ceylan Yeginsu, the reporter from the Times’ Istanbul bureau whose byline appeared on the story. According to the president, Yeginsu aimed to smear Turkey rather than to do objective journalism.

    We don’t really need to read the Times to grasp the reality of Turkey’s links with IS. The Milliyet daily’s seasoned photographer Bunyamin Aygun, held captive by IS for 40 days, had exposed this reality in minute detail in a full-page, five-part series in the paper following his release Jan. 6. However, the spotlight Aygun put on the dark world of IS was lost amid the fuss over the Dec. 17 corruption probe targeting government members and cronies. Aygun had spoken openly about a significant number of Turks in IS ranks.

    In a meeting we had, Aygun shared the same information with me as well. He recounted how, though kept blindfolded, he was able to detect “at least 15 Turks” among his captors and how they hated Erdogan and the Justice and Development Party (AKP) and saw Turkey as the next target in their campaign. Hailing from various regions of Anatolia, the IS militants threatened to bomb Turkey “village by village” and plunge the country into “a civil war” if Turkey sealed the crossings they controlled on the Turkish-Syrian border. Some of them had fought in al-Qaeda ranks in Afghanistan. Was that also a conspiracy?

    If you ask me, far from exaggerating Turkey’s links with extremist elements in Syria, the Western media had turned a blind eye to them for a long time. In May 2013, when President Barack Obama received Erdogan at the White House and warned him against the support he provided Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s Syrian branch, many foreign colleagues began asking, “Hey, what’s going on?” I was truly irritated, for we were reporting about it as much as we could and then losing our jobs as the government branded us “traitors” and “Assad supporters.”

    (...)


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1081 - September 24, 2014, 03:58 PM

    More claims of Turkish links with Islamic State: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/09/turkey-syria-united-states-kurds-isis-kobani-attack.html
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1082 - September 24, 2014, 04:20 PM

    Thanks Zeca. Lots of info in that article.

    In other news:

    French hostage Herve Gourdel 'beheaded in Algeria'

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    An Algerian jihadist group has released a video that appears to show the beheading of French tourist Herve Gourdel, who was seized on Sunday.

    Militant group Jund al-Khilafa had set a 24-hour deadline on Tuesday for France to halt air strikes in Iraq.

    Mr Gourdel, 55, was abducted in the north-east Kabylie region.

    France joined the US last week in launching air strikes on Islamic State (IS) militants in Iraq but did not take part in the strikes on IS in Syria.

    French President Francois Hollande and his Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, publicly rejected the group's ultimatum on Tuesday.

    The video of Mr Gourdel apparently being killed was entitled "Message of blood for the French government", reports said.

    IS itself has beheaded three Western hostages since August: US journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, and British aid worker David Haines. Their deaths were all filmed and posted online.

    The group has also threatened to kill Alan Henning, a taxi driver from the UK, who was seized while on an aid mission to Syria in December.


    Old-timers will remember the bloody and very fishy civil war in Algeria pre-9/11 which cost about 200000 lives.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1083 - September 24, 2014, 04:38 PM

    This is just great.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1084 - September 24, 2014, 06:40 PM



    I think Turkey can probably wave goodbye to their entry into the EU for a good couple of decades.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1085 - September 24, 2014, 06:53 PM

    Price: Independent democratic Kurdistan with their active policies for women's and minorities' rights (like in Rojava (Syria) where both Assyrians and Arabs are guaranteed participation in government bodies and fight against IS) as a buffer zone towards Syria, Iraq and Iran.

    Well, one can dream... lipsrsealed

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1086 - September 24, 2014, 07:02 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuAUetM_pVA
     Lucky Turkeys ., Without that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, by now Turkey would have been at least three countries with some 30 or so Islamic insurgencies ..  

    Turkey accused of colluding with Isis to oppose Syrian Kurds and Assad following surprise release of 49 hostages

    I am sure they paid something to get those hostages out..

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1087 - September 24, 2014, 07:16 PM


    French hostage Herve Gourdel 'beheaded in Algeria'

    Old-timers will remember the bloody and very fishy civil war in Algeria pre-9/11 which cost about 200000 lives.


    IS-linked Algerian militants behead French hostage


    RABAT: Algerian extremists allied with the Islamic State group have decapitated a French hostage after France ignored their demand to stop airstrikes in Iraq, according to a video obtained Wednesday by a US-based terrorism watchdog

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    A group calling itself Jund al-Khilafah, or Soldiers of the Caliphate, had said they would kill French mountaineer Herve Gourdel after abducting him Sunday unless France ended its airstrikes against Islamic State fighters in Iraq within 24 hours.

    The French government insisted it would not back down.

    In the video, masked gunmen from the newly formed group that split away from al Qaeda's North Africa branch, pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and said they were fighting his enemies.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OharL1zAiEA

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1088 - September 25, 2014, 01:48 AM

    Old-timers will remember the bloody and very fishy civil war in Algeria pre-9/11 which cost about 200000 lives.


    Indeed.

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1089 - September 25, 2014, 06:58 AM

    How do they distinguish between if Turkey is supporting  IS or JN or infiltrating? The Turks would be most able to infiltrate the ranks of these groups and collect information. One of the reasons there is alot infighting and betrayal between salafi jihadi groups might be because of high degree of infiltration by field agents. It might explain other things also.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1090 - September 25, 2014, 08:28 AM


    Old-timers will remember the bloody and very fishy civil war in Algeria pre-9/11 which cost about 200000 lives.


    what was fishy about it…and hows it relevant to this?
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1091 - September 25, 2014, 09:09 AM

    What's pissing me off at the moment is the way our Feds are exploiting this IS shit to make themselves seem like the saviour of the fucking nation, and to change legislation without any obvious necessity for it. It's like the Bush era all over again, Australian style. They're totally loving it, because it's distracting attention from what a pack of gormless twats they are when it comes to domestic policy. MH17, initially, and now IS, have been a real godsend for them.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1092 - September 25, 2014, 09:18 AM

    what was fishy about it…and hows it relevant to this?


    I suspect Nikolaj is refering to the conspiracy theory that the Army was doing much of the killing, not terrorists.

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    And he's the mother of grief
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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1093 - September 25, 2014, 09:25 AM

    ok…ive heard of that.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1094 - September 25, 2014, 09:33 AM

    What's pissing me off at the moment is the way our Feds are exploiting this IS shit to make themselves seem like the saviour of the fucking nation, and to change legislation without any obvious necessity for it. It's like the Bush era all over again, Australian style. They're totally loving it, because it's distracting attention from what a pack of gormless twats they are when it comes to domestic policy. MH17, initially, and now IS, have been a real godsend for them.



    Think that's always been the case,  true..  
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1095 - September 25, 2014, 09:59 AM

    The Ancestors of ISIS

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    CAMBRIDGE, England — IN the last few years, there has been a dramatic rise of a seemingly new type of polity: the Islamic rebel state. Boko Haram in West Africa, the Shabab in East Africa, the Islamic Emirate in the Caucasus and, of course, the Islamic State in the Middle East, known as ISIS, or ISIL — these movements not only call for holy war against the West, but also use their resources to build theocracies.

    Though in some respects unprecedented, these groups also have much in common with the Islamic revivalist movements of the 18th century, such as the Wahhabis on the Arabian Peninsula and the great jihadist states of the 19th century. They waged jihad against non-Muslim powers, and at the same time sought to radically transform their own societies.

    One of the first groups to engage in anticolonial jihad and state-building was the fighters led by Abd al-Qadir, who challenged the French imperial invasion of North Africa in the 1830s and 1840s. Qadir declared himself “commander of the faithful” — the title of a caliph — and founded an Islamic state in western Algeria, with a capital in Mascara, a regular army and an administration that enforced Shariah law and provided some public services. The state was never stable, nor did it ever encompass a clearly defined territory; it was eventually destroyed by the French.

    Equally short lived was the Mahdist state in Sudan, lasting from the early 1880s to the late 1890s. Led by the self-proclaimed Mahdi (“redeemer”) Muhammad Ahmad, the movement called for jihad against their Egyptian-Ottoman rulers and their British overlords, and it established state structures, including a telegraph network, weapon factories and a propaganda apparatus. The rebels banned smoking, alcohol and dancing and persecuted religious minorities.

    But the state was unable to provide stable institutions, and the economy collapsed; half of the population died from famine, disease and violence before the British Army, supported by Egyptians, crushed the regime in a bloody campaign, events chronicled in “The River War” by the young Winston Churchill, who served as an officer in Sudan.

    The most sophisticated 19th-century Islamic rebel state was the Caucasian imamate. Its imams rallied the Muslims of Chechnya and Dagestan into a 30-year holy war against the Russian empire, which sought to subdue the region. During the struggle, the rebels forced the mountain communities into a militant imamate, executing internal opponents and imposing Shariah law, segregation of the sexes, bans on alcohol and tobacco, restriction on music, and the enforcement of strict dress codes — all hugely unpopular measures. Czarist troops confronted the imamate with extreme brutality, eventually shattering it.

    In all of these cases, there were two distinct, though intertwined, conflicts, one against non-European empires and one against internal enemies, and both struggles were combined with state-building. This pattern is in fact not unique to the emergence of Islamic rebel states. The sociologist Charles Tilly once identified war as one of the most crucial forces in the formation of states: The foundation of a centralized government becomes necessary to organize and finance the armed forces.

    At the same time, Islam was at the center of these movements. Their leaders were religious authorities, most of them assuming the title “commander of the faithful”; their states were theocratically organized. Islam helped unite fractured tribal societies and served as a source of absolute, divine authority to enhance social discipline and political order, and to legitimize war. They all preached militant Islamic revivalism, calling for the purification of their faith, while denouncing traditional Islamic society, with its more heterodox forms of Islam, as superstitious, corrupt and backward.

    Today’s jihadist states share many of these features. They emerged at a time of crisis, and ruthlessly confront internal and external enemies. They oppress women. Despite the groups’ ferocity, they have all succeeded in using Islam to build broad coalitions with local tribes and communities. They provide social services and run strict Shariah courts; they use advanced propaganda methods.

    If anything, they differ from the 19th-century states in that they are more radical and sophisticated. The Islamic State is perhaps the most elaborate and militant jihad polity in modern history. It uses modern state structures, including a hierarchically organized bureaucracy, a judicial system, madrasas, a vast propaganda apparatus and a financial network that allows it to sell oil on the black market. It uses violence — mass executions, kidnapping and looting, following a rationale of suppression and wealth accumulation — to an extent unknown in previous Islamic polities. And unlike its antecedents, its leaders have global aspirations, fantasizing about overrunning St. Peter’s in Rome.

    And yet those differences are a matter of degree, rather than kind. Islamic rebel states are overall strikingly similar. They should be seen as one phenomenon; and this phenomenon has a history.

    Created under wartime conditions, and operating in a constant atmosphere of internal and external pressure, these states have been unstable and never fully functional. Forming a state makes Islamists vulnerable: While jihadist networks or guerrilla groups are difficult to fight, a state, which can be invaded, is far easier to confront. And once there is a theocratic state, it often becomes clear that its rulers are incapable of providing sufficient social and political solutions, gradually alienating its subjects.

    In this light, the international community should continue to check the expansion of groups like the Islamic State, and intervene to prevent widespread human rights abuses. But given that the United States and its allies are unlikely to commit the massive military resources necessary to defeat the Islamic State — let alone other jihadist states — the best policy might be one of containment, support of local opponents and then management of the groups’ possible collapse.

    We need to recognize what these groups really are. Referring to them as a “cancer,” as President Obama has, is understandable from an emotional standpoint, but simplifies and obscures the phenomenon. Jihadist states are complex polities and must be understood in the context of Islamic history.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1096 - September 25, 2014, 10:11 AM

    I'm just watching this drama series on film four about the struggles of a ten year old living in saudi arabia,  just interested as i was going to live there recently got offered a job and didnt like the idea of my girls being forced to wear hijab
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1097 - September 25, 2014, 10:20 AM

    sorry just realised that was on the wrong thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1098 - September 25, 2014, 10:22 AM

    I can't understand why anyone with their head screwed on would want to live in Saudi Arabia.

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     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
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     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1099 - September 25, 2014, 10:28 AM

    its not so bad for westerners if you get a good job and can stand the prohibitions.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1100 - September 25, 2014, 10:43 AM

    ^mine was in real estate with a chinese company that we had established there with greeeaat struggle of saudi impossible red tape bs, it fell apart in the end as the saudis robbed the business :/  they made millions, we founders got zero :(
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1101 - September 25, 2014, 11:05 AM

    I suspect Nikolaj is refering to the conspiracy theory that the Army was doing much of the killing, not terrorists.

    Yeah. I remember hearing some very unsettling eye witness accounts from people who survived some of the massacres.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1102 - September 25, 2014, 11:23 AM

    Life in the Islamic State's capital Raqqa:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TkuAIKoI28

    ISIL militants on R&R riding the tram in Istanbul

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f5-TM-67Gg

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1103 - September 25, 2014, 11:53 AM

    This is just great.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1104 - September 25, 2014, 12:22 PM

    Brighton teen 'killed in US air strikes in Syria'  says news



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    Ibrahim Kamara, 19, and four others are the first Britons to die in the attacks. His mother, Khadijah, 35, said he had secretly travelled to the war-torn country and she felt ‘numb’ that he was dead.  The teenager, who called himself Khalil al-Britani, had recently completed a resit of his GCSEs at Varndean College in Brighton.

    His single mother and her three other sons, who live in the Sussex city, are believed to be refugees from Sierra Leone who came to Britain via the Netherlands. But football-loving Kamara ‘met the wrong people’ and was quickly radicalised. He is said to have recently vowed to a fellow fighter he would never return to Britain. Mrs Kamara, who says she abhors violence, said she knew her son was likely to die when he rang her and confessed he was in Syria.

    She said: ‘He called me in February. He said: “Mum, I’m in Syria”, and I hung up. He rang again and I said: “Don’t ever call me.” The first we heard about his death was when my younger son got a Facebook message from one of the boys he went out there with.

    ‘He sent a photo of Ibrahim dead and the message read “Congratulations, your brother has become a martyr”. My son told him to delete the picture but he refused.’


    The guided-missile cruiser USS Philippine Sea launches a Tomahawk cruise missile against IS targets in Syria, as seen from the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush in the Arabian Gulf
     

    I am sure that kid caught this Jihadi syndrome through the rogues of Islam that are born to Pakistani parents who migrated to UK...

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1105 - September 25, 2014, 12:33 PM

    British Muslims whose families have lived in the UK for generations more likely to become radicalised than recent migrants according to a study from the University of London published in the online open-access journal PLOS One

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    Principal findings

    Depressive symptoms (PHQ score of 5 or more indicating at least mild depression) were more common among those showing the most sympathy towards violent protest and terrorism. Although previous studies of terrorists have not shown significantly greater levels of severe mental illness (for example, psychoses with delusions and hallucinations), small studies of convicted terrorists and of teenagers in Palestine have suggested depressive and anxiety symptoms are important [23] [13]. One study seeking to define religious terrorism proposed the presence of ‘dogma induced psychotic depression’ but this investigation was not based on a structured diagnostic or screening instrument. The place of psychological distress in terrorism is controversial [48]. It is known that low mood is associated with hopelessness about the future, and suicidal feelings, perhaps mediated through feelings of low self-esteem, cognitive distortions in weighing up everyday events and experiences as more negative [38]. These cognitive biases may be seen as adaptive if they reflect social and economic injustices, and experiences of structural violence; or these may reflect depressive illness if there is not a history of such adversity. Our findings suggest the latter, that depressive symptoms independent of psychosocial adversity were associated with sympathies towards violent protest and terrorism.

    More generally, depression has been implicated in acts of aggression [49], [50]. Although depression and aggression can be present from an early age and have genetic and neurochemical origins [50], [51], depression can also be a consequence of chronic adversity, and can lead to maladaptive behaviour, social strain [33] or abnormal personality development [51]. Personality disorder is often implicated in crime, but is an unlikely explanation of our finding as the majority of our sample were in employment and reported active social networks (and additionally did not report frequent hospital attendance due to accidents and injuries; unreported data).

    Social isolation has been proposed as a risk factor for radicalization [52], and is also implicated as a link between biological mechanisms of aggression and depression when tested in animal models [53]. Consistent with this perspective, we found that the group showing the strongest condemnation appeared to have more social contacts. Isolation from the wider community, together with feelings of identification and cohesion within terrorist organisations, are a proposed mechanism by which people are persuaded to take up violence, under the influence of newly formed radical affiliations [12], [19]. In multivariate analyses, women seemed more likely to be in the most sympathetic group, indicating greatest risk; this finding did not reach statistical significance. A higher risk for women has previously been reported but only where social isolation, powerlessness and oppression limited alternative opportunities or lifestyles [54]. More in-depth qualitative work exploring Muslim women's experiences of disadvantage and oppression may offer useful insights into the place of gender politics and gender disadvantage as mechanism of radicalisation.

    A surprising finding was that low levels of social capital were not related to sympathies towards terrorism but were associated with greater condemnation of terrorist acts. In our study, social capital was measured by satisfaction with residential area, trust in neighbours and feelings of safety. As expected in accord with the wider literature, poor social capital was associated with depression (unreported data), suggesting that the survey questions seem to tap the appropriate concepts [55]. A low score, therefore, reflected fears associated with the neighbourhood, including violence in the community, and explains condemnation of perceived threats. This finding is also consistent with a recent analysis suggesting that higher social capital can actually foster the formation of terrorist groups through greater opportunities for co-operation and by the exploitation of altruistic aspirations in a open democratic political system [27]. However, a study of social capital and terrorism, conducted over 12 years in 150 countries, showed that as well as fostering more terrorist organisations, higher social capital actually correlated with fewer terrorist attacks. So the influence of social capital is complex and it does not seem to be easily modified for predictable preventive effects.

    Strengths and Weaknesses

    Although the three-group solution was selected by a statistically acceptable method of cluster analysis using a variety of sensible criteria to indicate the ‘correct’ number of groups, the clusters derived should be regarded as a preliminary and useful basis for understanding and describing the survey responses. Replication is recommended as one study does not provide definitive conclusions on which to base policy.

    As a cross-sectional study, causality cannot be directly inferred but the three groups derived from cluster analysis are akin to an ordinal variable permitting the comparison of specific characteristics across the three groups. However, no single variable showed linear trends across all three clusters. This suggests protective factors associated with condemnation are different to those associated with the development of sympathies for violent protest and terrorism. Alternatively, we may have not included other factors that might be linearly related with developing sympathies for radicalisation.

    Importantly, this study does not show which people who are sympathisers are likely to progress to terrorist acts. However, there is a sequence of events consistent with the stages of radicalization [35], each with specific contexts and risk of progression [7]. This model of public health epidemiology recommends that those ‘infected’ with radical ideology, or already radicalised, need to be isolated so that they cannot influence those around them. The criminal justice system fulfils this function. Those who are vulnerable require inoculation through a wider set of ideas, including orthodox religious texts that decry homicide and terrorism. Furthermore, social networks promote resistance by offering a range of cultural identities and opportunities and this in itself may be protective; for example, integrated cultural identities protect against psychological distress in young people by offering bridging social capital across contrasting identity groups [56]. Studies of resilience to such radicalising ideas, where resilience consists of resistance despite exposure to radicalising ideas in the presence of SVPT, are needed.

    Another reason for studying and preventing SVPT in the population is that these become part of the political rhetoric of terrorists and are used to justify their actions. Through encouraging SVPT, terrorists and extremists can seek resources for their cause. There may be communalities with other extremist movements, for example, animal rights protesters, or in situations of war and conflict, or where extreme right wing parties target particular ethnic, racial or religious groups [57], [58]. Indeed, the boundaries between protest movements and terrorism require further investigation.

    We had interpreted condemnation of sending British troops to conflict zones as consistent with radicalisation because terrorists have reported such actions as justification for their acts [4]. We generated our items to measure radicalisation by reference to such literature and by focus groups assuring us of face and content validity. However, such condemnation could also indicate a position of conscientious objection. In people of Muslim heritage, this stance might be misunderstood to indicate radicalisation rather than an anti-war or pacifist political position. Future studies will need to carefully discern whether such political objections are separate from beliefs that are on the pathway to radicalisation. We did not find political engagement to be associated with radicalisation suggesting that our findings are unlikely to reflect political activism or conscientious objection.

    Terrorist organisations in the past and in other cultures were motivated by different social and political factors. As a result, our findings relate to the current priorities of counter-terrorism in Europe and North America, namely of understanding and preventing the radicalisation of home-grown youth. It would not be prudent to generalise the findings to other contexts and types of terrorism, although similar research is feasible in other contexts. For example, although ‘psychotic depression’ was implicated in a study undertaken in a conflict zone [24], our findings indicate a modest effect of depressive symptoms; we did not measure clinical symptoms of psychosis directly. The attribution of psychosis defined on the basis of delusions is subject to criticism, as delusions are culturally shaped and can be seen as psychopathological only if the beliefs held are culturally inappropriate. Fear of the enemy, paranoia and depressive symptoms may be seen as ordinary responses to war and conflict. Thus the study of psychological distress in future studies must consider context: the influence of conflict, culture and war on SVPT. Furthermore, our finding suggest that depressive symptoms may be both protective and risk factors, but it was only depressive symptoms meeting a screening threshold for mild depressive illness that were risk factors. The place of depressive symptoms clearly warrants further investigations.

    Implications

    Terrorist acts not only result in death, illness, and severe injury to members of the public and emergency services, they also impact adversely on social cohesion, accentuating divisions between different racial and religious groups [59]–[61]. They raise legitimate fears about safety and security [61], [62]. Trauma, multiple bereavements, and fear can have long-term consequences for psychological health [63]. A preventive approach to radicalisation is not part of current UK counter-terrorism policy, which focuses on those likely to commit terrorist acts. Our study shows that there are modifiable risk and protective factors for the earliest stage on the pathway to violent protest. The potential benefits of disrupting the pathways to radicalisation go beyond security issues and have implications for preventing significant depressive symptoms, promoting wellbeing and perhaps social capital [64]. More research is needed into the causes of depressive thinking implicated in our study. Future studies must investigate the place of different types of social assets, depressive symptoms, and psychosocial adversity in the process of radicalisation in different heritage groups and in different country and regional contexts. Our methods do offer an alternative paradigm for testing interventions aimed at preventing or reversing the early stages of violent radicalisation.

    Key Messages
    Studies of sympathies for terrorism and violent radicalisation are needed and feasible to undertake in a Muslim minority country.
    Mild depressive symptoms as assessed on the PHQ9 are associated with sympathies for violent protest and terrorism.
    A greater number of social contacts and being a migrant were associated with more condemnation. Poorer social capital and being unavailable for work because of housewife roles and disability were associated with condemnation.
    Future work needs to investigate whether standardised measures of social capital to replicate this unexpected finding and to help understand the mechanisms.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1106 - September 25, 2014, 12:37 PM

    What's pissing me off at the moment is the way our Feds are exploiting this IS shit to make themselves seem like the saviour of the fucking nation, and to change legislation without any obvious necessity for it. It's like the Bush era all over again, Australian style. They're totally loving it, because it's distracting attention from what a pack of gormless twats they are when it comes to domestic policy. MH17, initially, and now IS, have been a real godsend for them.


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    how fuck works without shit??


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1107 - September 25, 2014, 03:12 PM

    Short documentary on the Mahdi Army Shia militia.

    I noticed tribal elders tell of the old days before sectarianism tore the country apart after the US + friends invasion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me5ApCQJN9Q

    Documentary on Kurds and a bit about how ISIL finally has gotten the various other rebel factions to unite.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uOKOU7j9f0

    Chilling documentary about how ISIL targets other rebels and make them become disillusioned with the whole Syrian revolution. Rebels tell about their perception of them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsnchH73J2o

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1108 - September 25, 2014, 04:36 PM

    Syrian activist Zaidoun Al Zoabi on the US-led air strikes and how they are helping ISIL, helping Assad and fucking everything even more up.

    He also tells of Assad releasing extremists from his prisons to help ISIL along.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5_wfYdx9wc

    Here he is a year ago discussing air strikes after the attack with chemical weapons on Ghouta district in Damascus:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmJ2KDzO5Zs

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1109 - September 25, 2014, 07:13 PM

    What's pissing me off at the moment is the way our Feds are exploiting this IS shit to make themselves seem like the saviour of the fucking nation, and to change legislation without any obvious necessity for it. It's like the Bush era all over again, Australian style. They're totally loving it, because it's distracting attention from what a pack of gormless twats they are when it comes to domestic policy. MH17, initially, and now IS, have been a real godsend for them.


    Looks like 'The Feds' are the only 'saviour' that Oz has to protect its citizens. Unless you can think of another saviour?

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