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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1110 - September 25, 2014, 07:15 PM

    what was fishy about it…and hows it relevant to this?


    Yeah, perhaps I am ill-informed but what is the direct connection between the two?

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1111 - September 25, 2014, 07:17 PM

    I suspect Nikolaj is refering to the conspiracy theory that the Army was doing much of the killing, not terrorists.


    Do you mean the French Army or the Algerian army, and why is this relevant to the execution of Herve Gourdel?

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1112 - September 25, 2014, 07:29 PM

    its not so bad for westerners if you get a good job and can stand the prohibitions.


    I don't think I would want to move to a country where only certain nationalities were treated well, while others are downtrodden, even if I was one of the 'favoured nationalities'.

    I would refuse to go on principle.

    I met up with an Indian friend who lives in Kuwait the other week, and he told me that Brits, US and other 'Western' workers got paid top dollar, and then there was a (seemingly approved and official) rigid hierarchical pay structure receiving less and less pay by nationality in a sliding scale, for doing the same job. 

    Sure we have pay inequality here in UK too but this seemed to be the rule, unwritten or not.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1113 - September 25, 2014, 08:07 PM

    ^I knew a Canadian who worked at an employer in Saudi Arabia. The employer asked him how come he didn’t speak Arabic like the other Canadian. When he replied that the other Canadian’s father was from Sudan, the employer immediately went to have his pay reduced since he did not want to pay a Sudani what he paid a Canadian.  
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1114 - September 25, 2014, 09:23 PM

    But Islam is so egalitarian.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1115 - September 25, 2014, 09:28 PM

    Haha!

    Comment made me think of the raisin-head hadith in relation to black people!

    Quote
    Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
    Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256


    Quote
    Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us.
    Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 69


    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Racism
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1116 - September 25, 2014, 09:33 PM

    Yeah well, I blame white people. Everybody knows there wasn't any racism before white people invented it fairly recently. Anyway, it's only racist if white people do it. If non-white people do it, it's not really racism.

    [/pisstake]

    (of shit I have actually read on this forum)

    (some fuckers need winding up)

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1117 - September 25, 2014, 09:35 PM

    Tell me about it. If a white person said some of what non-white people say about white people, they would be derided and punched and vilified. If they ain't white though, woot stand up and be proud.

    Jeez
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1118 - September 25, 2014, 09:46 PM

    ^I knew a Canadian who worked at an employer in Saudi Arabia. The employer asked him how come he didn’t speak Arabic like the other Canadian. When he replied that the other Canadian’s father was from Sudan, the employer immediately went to have his pay reduced since he did not want to pay a Sudani what he paid a Canadian.  


    Yeah, its so weird.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1119 - September 25, 2014, 09:49 PM

    http://www.aina.org/news/20140925170946.htm

    Da'ash Publicly Execute Leading Lawyer and Human Rights Activist in Iraq

    Da'ash militants have publically executed Samira Salih al-Nuaimi, a leading lawyer and human rights activist, who the terror group claimed that had abandoned Islam.

    Al-Nuaimi was kidnapped by Da'ash (also known as Islamic State) on 17 September after she allegedly criticised the militant group's destruction of places of worship in Mosul, Iraq, since it had taken control of the city, in comments posted on Facebook.

    She was then kidnapped from her home by a group of masked men and tried in a self-styled Sharia court for apostasy, which for the militants is considered to be an act of abandoning Islam by converting to another faith, or by committing actions that are against the Muslim faith.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1120 - September 25, 2014, 09:54 PM

    Tell me about it. If a white person said some of what non-white people say about white people, they would be derided and punched and vilified. If they ain't white though, woot stand up and be proud.

    Jeez


    Why, what do non-white people say about white people?  I don't see any major evidence of that in the uk, well not in everyday life anyway.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1121 - September 25, 2014, 09:59 PM

    Not necessarily just in UK Adey.

    Just things like constantly white-shaming for the slave trade ignoring African slavers and the like.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1122 - September 25, 2014, 10:20 PM

    Looks like 'The Feds' are the only 'saviour' that Oz has to protect its citizens. Unless you can think of another saviour?

    Jesus! Hallelujah! dance

    Ok, seriously, I do realise the Australian Defence Force is a federal thing, if that's what you're getting at. What I was referring to is stuff like this:

    PM warns of more security, less freedom, ahead of anti-terror laws debate

    Senate passes new counter-terrorism laws giving stronger powers to intelligence agency ASIO

    You can read them if you're interested, but the background is that before the separatists in Ukraine mistakenly but obligingly shot down a plane that happened to have a few Australians on it, the current federal government was facing a severe public backlash due to some of the policies they dropped on the electorate after said electorate had been silly (IMO) enough to give them power. As soon as MH17 went down they did everything they could to switch the focus to that, and now IS has come to their rescue as well. They are presenting IS as an existential threat to Australia and themselves as the only people who can save us, as long as they are given power to enact whatever legislation they like. That's why I drew parallels with the Bush era/Patriot Act, etc.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1123 - September 25, 2014, 10:48 PM

    always beware of politicians who say we need more laws to counter terrorists.

    We have the laws to combat them already, just need proper funding of intelligence agencies and requisite police divisions.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1124 - September 25, 2014, 10:52 PM

    Pretty much. Legislation may require changing from time to time, but the way these clowns are going about it rings all kinds of bells.

    Of course, my perception is influenced by their past performance too, which hasn't been exemplary.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1125 - September 25, 2014, 11:10 PM

    Also, if you are gonna do military action, you need to keep it more on the down-low for fuck sake. Otherwise your targets will shift positions.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1126 - September 25, 2014, 11:37 PM

    "No one recruited me.
    No one said a single word to me.
    I opened the newspaper,
    I read the Quran.
    Very easy."

    Don't read newspapers, kids.
    http://youtu.be/j8TLu514EgU

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1127 - September 26, 2014, 01:10 AM

    Jesus! Hallelujah! dance

    Ok, seriously, I do realise the Australian Defence Force is a federal thing, if that's what you're getting at. What I was referring to is stuff like this:

    PM warns of more security, less freedom, ahead of anti-terror laws debate

    Senate passes new counter-terrorism laws giving stronger powers to intelligence agency ASIO

    You can read them if you're interested, but the background is that before the separatists in Ukraine mistakenly but obligingly shot down a plane that happened to have a few Australians on it, the current federal government was facing a severe public backlash due to some of the policies they dropped on the electorate after said electorate had been silly (IMO) enough to give them power. As soon as MH17 went down they did everything they could to switch the focus to that, and now IS has come to their rescue as well. They are presenting IS as an existential threat to Australia and themselves as the only people who can save us, as long as they are given power to enact whatever legislation they like. That's why I drew parallels with the Bush era/Patriot Act, etc.


    "IS has come to their (The Feds) rescue"

    That is a wild accusation!  Huh? You don't honestly believe that the Oz authorities are pleased with this situation do you?

    Am alleged plot to behead Australians was recently uncovered, they have some citizens as fighters there, including that guy who let his son hold up a severed head. I don't know exactly what specific prohibitive restrictions 'The Feds' have imposed that you are complaining about, but they have good reason to be jittery and are wise to tighten up and close any gaps in the armour, if they think there may be a danger. Sure it sucks for the rest of the people, but surely they reluctantly gotta do what they gotta do to protect their citizens.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1128 - September 26, 2014, 05:30 AM

    Do you mean the French Army or the Algerian army, and why is this relevant to the execution of Herve Gourdel?

    the algerian army…the french didnt have troops in the algerian civil war afaik. its widely believed that the army did some of the massacres…the extreme brutality cost the islamists a lot of popularity.

    re saudi arabia…im just pointing out its not so bad if you get a good job and have the right passport…so someone with their head screwed on right could very well move there. not everyone would put principles over money with things like that. 
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1129 - September 26, 2014, 08:00 AM

    A friend's Mum lives in Saudi. She's black British, her husband white American. He builds universities, she lounges around at home and paints. She sees no evil because she isn't looking.  They earn a heap of money of course.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1130 - September 26, 2014, 08:16 AM

    thats what i meant…they probably live in a compound shielded from the harshest aspects of the kingdom and making more money than they would at home.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1131 - September 26, 2014, 08:59 AM

    The Dutch Defence Ministry has started to advise military personnel that they should not wear their uniforms on public transport for fear that they will be targeted by jihadists after the Netherlands joined the campaign to fight Isis (now known as the Islamic State).

    Dutch defence ministry spokeswoman Marloes Visser said that the decision to alert troops to the heightened threat was taken at the same time as the government announced the deployment of six F-16 fighter jets to conduct air strikes on IS positions in Iraq but not Syria.

    In a speech to announce the increased Dutch role in the coalition, Dutch Deputy Prime Minister Lodewijk Asscher said that the country was ready for the increasing risk to its national security because of its new role.

    "The Netherlands will gain a higher profile among jihadis. We are ready," said Asscher.

    "The Netherlands will make six F-16s available for the first phase of the campaign, for one year," he said after an emergency meeting at The Hague.

    The Dutch government decided against joining the strikes in Syria because the Syrian government has not requested assistance from outside powers.

    "In Iraq's case there is a clear request. A request by Iraq's legitimate government gives us a sufficient mandate to deploy the Dutch military," Asscher concluded.

    In addition to the fighter jets, up to 380 Dutch military personnel could be operational in Iraq with 130 of those being military instructors to support local Iraqi forces.

    The terror threat in the Netherlands stands at "substantial" which is the second highest level used by the Dutch anti-terror coordinator.

    For god and money devils fight
    Religion holds a beast inside

    Racoon
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1132 - September 26, 2014, 09:04 AM




    And Dutch Soldiers are advised not to wear uniforms on public transport for the fear of Jihadi attacks.

    what a fucked up world were living in. Whats next?

    For god and money devils fight
    Religion holds a beast inside

    Racoon
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1133 - September 26, 2014, 09:08 AM


    And Dutch Soldiers are advised not to wear uniforms on public transport for the fear of Jihadi attacks.

    what a fucked up world were living in. Whats next?

    Well I am glad it is just that.,  lucky them., whoever made that rule/suggestion,   didn't ask the soldiers to  cover themselves with a burkha...

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1134 - September 26, 2014, 09:10 AM

    Yes i just thought about that. Maybe thats the next step.

    For god and money devils fight
    Religion holds a beast inside

    Racoon
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1135 - September 26, 2014, 09:12 AM

    Or letting them learn some Quran ayats from head. Just in case.

    For god and money devils fight
    Religion holds a beast inside

    Racoon
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1136 - September 26, 2014, 09:13 AM

    Whos your Lord? Who is his messenger?

    For god and money devils fight
    Religion holds a beast inside

    Racoon
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1137 - September 26, 2014, 09:44 AM

    "IS has come to their (The Feds) rescue"

    That is a wild accusation!  Huh? You don't honestly believe that the Oz authorities are pleased with this situation do you?

    Yes and no. Depends what you are classifying as "the authorities". Obviously the police and ASIO are not pleased, as you'd expect. We've already had two police officers put in hospital after an IS-supporting nutter in Melbourne attacked them with a knife.  Said nutter is now dead, due to a bullet in an inconvenient location. Moral of the story: if you're going to attack armed police with a knife, make sure you kill them before they can reach their guns. Anyway no, the "authorities", in the sense of the people charged with actual intelligence and enforcement work, are not exactly chuffed about IS.

    The federal government is another matter. I don't think Abbott is on the blower to al-Baghdadi saying "Onya mate! Keep up the good work!" Nor do I think the ministers are creaming themselves over beheading vids or anything like that. What I am saying is that in public relations terms, this new "War on Terror II - What Could Go Wrong?" is a godsend for the government because it enables them to swing their balls around and promise to be "unflinching in the face of terror", instead of constantly backflipping and blithering about the domestic policies they were trying to introduce before they got their arses kicked. It's a distraction from the shit they were fucking up, and a way of them getting some cred back.


    Quote
    Am alleged plot to behead Australians was recently uncovered, they have some citizens as fighters there, including that guy who let his son hold up a severed head. I don't know exactly what specific prohibitive restrictions 'The Feds' have imposed that you are complaining about, but they have good reason to be jittery and are wise to tighten up and close any gaps in the armour, if they think there may be a danger. Sure it sucks for the rest of the people, but surely they reluctantly gotta do what they gotta do to protect their citizens.

    Funnily enough, that alleged plot was discovered, monitored and dealt with under the current legislation. That tends to suggest that the current legislation is not entirely inadequate. This shouldn't be surprising since we have been through this shit before, so some thought was given to the current legislation.

    Now it may be that there are some things in the legislation that could beneficially be changed. As I said, this happens from time to time. However, you would expect this to happen after the changes were subject to a fairly thorough review. These ones are being rushed through, or at least they'd like them rushed through (have got some already). That's a concern because a/ our Attorney General has a history of trying to introduce frankly idiotic changes to existing legislation and b/ any time someone tries to restrict civil liberties, without adequate review, by dragging out a useful bogeyman it is generally a bad look.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1138 - September 26, 2014, 11:37 AM

    Denmark is joining the operations in Iraq with 7 F-16's.

    Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt: "Technically we are not at war but in a fight we want to win".

    This of course has little to do with the fight against the savagery of Islamic State but much to do with sucking up to the US as Denmark has a "special relationship" with the US and nursing that relationship is very important for our politicians' careers (look at former prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen who lied to Danish parliament and had Denmark illegally invade Iraq. He got re-elected twice and then he ran off as the general secretary of NATO mid-term after several times having denied he was a candidate).

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1139 - September 26, 2014, 11:50 AM

    ‘Indiscriminate’ Iraqi Air Force Bombings Killing Civilians, Watchdog Says

    Quote
    MONTREAL, Canada – “Indiscriminate” Iraqi air force attacks meant to wipe out Islamic State forces have killed dozens of civilians, including 24 refugee children housed at a school near Tikrit at the start of this month, according to an international rights watchdog.

    “This is not an isolated incident. We have documented a pattern of indiscriminate attacks from the air in which civilians have died,” Fred Abrahams, special advisor at New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW), told Rudaw in a phone interview.

    “The death toll is high from these cases. At least 75 civilians have been killed and hundreds of others have been wounded in 17 airstrikes,” he said.

    HRW has called on the Iraqi government to promptly probe a September 1 airstrike it says hit a school near Tikrit housing refugees. At least 31 civilians, including 24 children, were killed in the raid, which also wounded 41 others, according to the rights group.

    The al-Alam Vocational High School was housing displaced people who fled Tikrit after the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) militants took control of the city in mid-June, HRW says.

    “The death toll is high from these cases, at least 75 civilians have been killed and hundreds of others have been wounded in 17 airstrikes,” according to Abrahams.

    HRW called for a probe a day after Iraq’s Shiite Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi ordered the army to stop shelling militant-held populated areas to minimize civilian casualties.

    “Unlawful” attacks, Abrahams said, have been reported within IS-controlled areas in Fallujah, Beiji, Mosul, Tikrit, and al-Sherqat, with Sunni Iraqis the primary victims.

    “The government is trying to fight ISIS but it is going to create more enemies among the Sunni population if it is not more careful and is only targeting compounds,” Abrahams said.

    Abadi issued on order on September 11 to halt Iraqi air forces strikes on neighborhoods with civilian populations. But the bombings have continued in Anbar province, where a hospital was hit.

    Iraqi officials have given “a very weak explanation” for the questioned air attacks, Abrahams said. He added that, while subsequent airstrikes have not been investigated yet, they are “definitely concerning.”

    Iraq’s government has told HRW that the explosion that hit the school was from a vehicle nearby that was transporting militants. The strike on the vehicle caused an explosion that was “far larger than normal,” the government said, because of the explosives the car was apparently carrying.

    “All of the witnesses we’ve interviewed, people in the school and in the neighborhood, nobody spoke about a car and actually the witnesses said the missile hit in the middle of the courtyard, not on the outside where there was any car,” Abrahams said.

    The civilian casualties by the Iraqi air strikes reveal “a level of unprofessionalism that puts civilians in danger,” Abrahams said. He added that orders to shoot, when it was unclear whether the targets were military or civilian, was “unacceptable.”

    HRW has called on all governments supporting the campaign against IS to pressure the Iraqi government to follow the rules of war.

    “We have unconfirmed reports of some civilian casualties in Syria, from US airstrikes,” Abrahams said, adding that those are being investigated.

    American strikes in Iraq over the past month successfully targeted individual IS targets, patrol boats and trucks. On Tuesday, the United States and its allies launched the first rounds of airstrikes against Sunni militants in Syria. Several allies have signed up to the US-led air raids.


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