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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1800 - February 01, 2015, 09:19 PM

    The most genuine Arab Spring was in Tunisia. Bahrain also has uprising but the world keeps ignoring the Bahrainians. They have been protesting and demanding freedom and justice since 2011, the same year when Egytian 2011 revolution and Syrian uprising happened, and they still refuse to be militarised. The US and its buddies still support Bahrainian regime. Some people call the Bahrainian protesters "Iranian puppets". Why?


    I hope you do you realize what will happen if Bahrain will have a Shia majority government. Just look at Iraq. Would you believe that the Bahrain Sunni will be happy? How long before the sectarian violence will begin?

    The world would have been a better place right now without Arab Springs and IDIOT Bush and his stupid Republicans advisers.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1801 - February 06, 2015, 07:46 PM

    Women of the Islamic State - a manifesto on women by the Al-Khanssaa Brigade

    http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/publications/free/women-of-the-islamic-state3.pdf
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    On 23 January 2015, online supporters of Islamic State (IS) – the group that now controls a territory larger than the United Kingdom and spans across the border between Syria and Iraq – began circulating a document entitled Women in the Islamic State: Manifesto and Case Study. The text, which was uploaded by the all-female Al-Khanssaa Brigade’s media wing onto a jihadist forum used by IS, was widely distributed among its Arabic-speaking supporters. However, it was not picked up by Western jihadists, male or female. As such, it ran the risk of slipping through the net of non-Arabic speaking Western analysts. To stop this from happening, Quilliam provides a full translation of it below.

    The treatise – the first such document of its kind – clarifies a number of issues hitherto obscured by the language barrier. A semi-official IS manifesto on women, it gives a lengthy rebuttal of “Western civilisation” and universal human rights such as gender equality. It allows us to look past that which is banded about on social media by Western supporters of IS, enabling us to get into the mind-set of the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of women who willingly join its ranks.

    Much of what IS supporters claim on social media is designed to exaggerate, obfuscate and confuse. However, this document, clearly designed as a means of drawing in women from countries in the region, in particular those in the Gulf, presents something that is more akin to the realities of living as a female jihadist in IS-held territories. From it, we learn that, while there are indeed all-female police brigades operating in Iraq and Syria and that, in certain circumstances, women may be called to battle, policing and fighting are very low on the list of responsibilities given to women. Rather, the emphasis throughout the manifesto is on the importance of motherhood and family support – in this sense, IS is no different from any other jihadist group. It is fundamentally misogynist and, within its interpretation of Islamism, the role of women is “divinely” limited.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1802 - February 09, 2015, 06:49 PM

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    A statement released by the Confederation of Revolutionary Trade Unions of Turkey (DISK) in Diyarbakir states that the union has 12,000 members who have pledged their willingness to assist in the reconstruction of Kobanê following the offensive from ISIS which left much of the city in ruins – according to an article from BirGun. The statement added that DISK members, who could help in rebuilding the local infrastructure, would not remain silent in the face of the Turkish state’s refusal to open an aid corridor to Kobanê.

    Serdar Ekingen, a regional representative for DISK in Diyarbakir, made the statement at a press conference organized by the Rojava Association. He told those gathered that it “the honor of humanity had won in Kobanê” but that ISIS barbarism had left much of the area in ruins. According to a piece appearing in the paper Evrensel, Ekingen added “we can work on whatever infrastructure projects are needed, or help in reconstruction in order to repair the local wounds. We will take an appropriate part in the reconstruction of Kobanê carried by the winds of revolution which are blowing from Rojava.”

    Ekingen added that the trade union currently had 12,000 volunteers working in the area of water, sewage, sanitation, construction and the environment who were willing to work for Kobanê, saying “we declare that we will take part with our labor in the reconstruction work” and demanded an aid corridor be opened so that those wanting to help could do so.

    https://rojavareport.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/revolutionary-workers-union-of-turkey-we-have-12000-volunteers-to-rebuild-kobane/
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1803 - February 10, 2015, 01:20 PM

    Egyptian Ex-muslim Atheist: ISIS Is Doing what the Prophet Muhammad Did

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRD6soHyVQ

    Well I will agree with Ahmad Haraqan to the extent that narrations about Muhammad in Islamic stories and scriptures  do suggest that ISIS Is Doing what the Prophet Muhammad Did., but my take home message from Quran and hadith  is Warlords of Arabia made some  stories in the name of allah and   a Pseudo Character prophet Muhammad to create anarchy and usurp political power  around Arabian peninsula.  Preacher Muhammad is different from warlord Muhammad.  The poor guy may have preached that Christ is neither god nor son of god but another good preacher.,  And that is what first part of Quran says in those so-called Meccan surahs..

    After the death that preacher Muhammad., The propagating rules of Islam were very simple and that is to have total control on basic instincts of human race in this life and after this life. And they used that to control woman and their off springs  to propagate the so-called religion for political purposes .

    But 21st century will be different

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1804 - February 10, 2015, 05:17 PM

    Kayla Mueller of USA dies as ISIS captor says news


    Kayla Mueller is shown after speaking to a group in Prescott, Arizona.

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    Washington - US President Barack Obama on Tuesday confirmed the death of Kayla Jean Mueller, who was taken hostage in Syria by the Daesh group, and vowed to track down her captors.

    “No matter how long it takes, the United States will find and bring to justice the terrorists who are responsible for Kayla’s captivity and death,” he said in a statement. The 26-year-old aid worker from Arizona was captured in August 2013 in Aleppo.

    The militant group claimed last week she had been killed in an air strike by a Jordanian warplane in the Syrian city of Raqqa, the militant group’s self-proclaimed “capital.” The White House said that over the weekend the militants had sent Mueller’s family a “private message” with additional information, that was “authenticated” by intelligence, allowing them to confirm her death.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flA0xBycKzM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZc_De_VikA

    well that is the news..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1805 - February 14, 2015, 12:54 AM

    Syrian granny goes all Qur'an on ISIL fighters

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYRMBy9J2jY

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1806 - February 14, 2015, 06:22 PM

    That was great. That is also the first time I have heard a woman recite Quran to men who were no relation to her.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1807 - February 14, 2015, 06:31 PM

    Syrian granny goes all Qur'an on ISIL fighters

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYRMBy9J2jY

    I wish my grandmother was like that. But sadly there is no reasoning with terrorists.

    Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1808 - February 14, 2015, 06:34 PM

    Apparently they are shooting smokers as smokers are guilty of committing"slow suicide"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1809 - February 14, 2015, 06:37 PM

    Yeah. That logic blew my mind.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1810 - February 15, 2015, 10:30 AM

    Apparently they are shooting smokers as smokers are guilty of committing"slow suicide"


    i shouldnt laugh…but that's really funny. its like they cant detect the irony.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1811 - February 16, 2015, 01:16 AM

    Islamic State Sprouting Limbs Beyond Its Base

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    WASHINGTON — The Islamic State is expanding beyond its base in Syria and Iraq to establish militant affiliates in Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt and Libya, American intelligence officials assert, raising the prospect of a new global war on terror.

    Intelligence officials estimate that the group’s fighters number 20,000 to 31,500 in Syria and Iraq. There are less formal pledges of support from “probably at least a couple hundred extremists” in countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Yemen, according to an American counterterrorism official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential information about the group.

    Lt. Gen. Vincent R. Stewart, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said in an assessment this month that the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, was “beginning to assemble a growing international footprint.” Nicholas Rasmussen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, echoed General Stewart’s analysis in testimony before Congress last week.

    But it is unclear how effective these affiliates are, or to what extent this is an opportunistic rebranding by some jihadist upstarts hoping to draft new members by playing off the notoriety of the Islamic State.

    Critics fear such assessments will once again enmesh the United States in a protracted, hydra-headed conflict as President Obama appeals to Congress for new war powers to fight the Islamic State. “I’m loath to write another blank check justifying the use of American troops just about anywhere,” said Representative Adam B. Schiff of California, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

    The sudden proliferation of Islamic State affiliates and loyalist fighters motivated the White House’s push to give Mr. Obama and his successor new authority to pursue the group wherever its followers emerge — just as he and President George W. Bush hunted Qaeda franchises outside the group’s headquarters, first in Afghanistan and then in Pakistan, for the past decade.

    “We don’t want anybody in ISIL to be left with the impression that if they move to some neighboring country, that they will be essentially in a safe haven and not within the range of United States capability,” Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, said on Wednesday.

    The Islamic State began attracting pledges of allegiance from groups and individual fighters after it declared the formation of a caliphate, or religious state, in June 2014. Counterterrorism analysts say it is using Al Qaeda’s franchise structure to expand its geographic reach, but without Al Qaeda’s rigorous, multiyear application process. This could allow its franchises to grow faster, easier and farther.

    “Factions which were at one time part of Al Qaeda and its affiliates, as well as groups loyal to it or in some ways working in tandem with it, have moved on to what they see as more of a winning group,” said Steven Stalinsky, executive director of the Middle East Media Research Institute in Washington, which monitors Arabic-language news media and websites.

    The Islamic State’s attraction, even in the West, was proved when Amedy Coulibaly, one of the gunmen in the Paris terrorist attacks last month, declared allegiance to the group.

    In Afghanistan last week, an American drone strike killed a former Taliban commander, Mullah Abdul Rauf Khadim, who had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State and had recently begun recruiting fighters. But that pledge seemed to indicate less a major expansion of the Islamic State than a deepening of internal divisions in the Taliban.

    There is no indication that the Islamic State controls territory in Afghanistan, but it has signaled its interest in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and has reportedly sent envoys there to recruit.

    Similarly, until recently, leaders of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, in Yemen, used nonconfrontational language to mask simmering disagreements with the Islamic State and its head, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. But tensions peaked in November, when a faction of Qaeda fighters there swore loyalty to Mr. Baghdadi.

    Any authorization to use American military force against the Islamic State could arguably also cover interventions in Egypt and Libya, where active militant organizations have pledged allegiance to the group and have received its public acknowledgment as “provinces” of the putative caliphate.

    Although there is little or no public evidence that the Islamic State’s leaders in Syria and Iraq have practical control over its North African provinces, its influence is already apparent in their operations and is destabilizing the countries around them. A publication released by the central group last week included a photograph of fighters in Libya with its affiliate there parading 20 Egyptian Christian captives in the Islamic State’s trademark orange jumpsuits, indicating at least a degree of communication.

    In Egypt, the Sinai-based extremist group Ansar Beit al-Maqdis sent emissaries to the Islamic State in Syria last year to seek financial support, weapons and tactical advice, as well as the publicity and recruiting advantages that might come with the Islamic State name, according to Western officials briefed on classified intelligence reports.

    Ansar Beit al-Maqdis began adopting the Islamic State’s signature medieval punishment, beheadings, even before a formal merger. After becoming the Sinai Province of the Islamic State in November, the group’s online videos and statements claiming responsibility for attacks began to take on more of the sophistication and gore associated with its new parent group.

    Unlike the Islamic State fighters in Syria and Iraq, the Sinai Province has so far focused on hitting the security forces of the military-backed Egyptian government, largely avoiding attacks on Westerners, members of Egypt’s Christian minority or other purely civilian targets.

    But despite the government’s escalating crackdown in Egypt, the militants appear to have grown bolder and more advanced since linking themselves to the Islamic State. On the night of Jan. 29, for example, the Sinai Province claimed responsibility for a series of coordinated bombings that targeted security forces across the region, killing 24 soldiers, six police officers and 14 civilians, according to the Egyptian state news media.

    In neighboring Libya, at least three distinct groups have declared their affiliation with the Islamic State, one in each of the country’s component regions: Barqa in the east, Fezzan in the desert south, and Tripolitania in the west, around the capital. With fighting among other regional and ideological militias having already plunged the country into chaos, the Islamic State affiliates pose a new obstacle to Western attempts to negotiate a truce or a unity government.

    Western officials, especially in southern Europe, fear that the three Libyan “provinces” could evolve into bases for Islamic State fighters traveling across the Mediterranean, into Egypt or elsewhere in North Africa. Eastern Libya has already become a training ground for jihadists going to Syria or Iraq and a haven for Egyptian fighters staging attacks in the neighboring desert.

    Ambassador Deborah K. Jones, the American envoy to Libya, posed a question on Twitter in a plea for unity this month: “Can a divided #Libya withstand #ISIL/Daesh?” she wrote, using the English and Arabic shorthand for the Islamic State.

    The Islamic State’s self-proclaimed provinces have compounded Libya’s instability by introducing the prospect of Islamist-against-Islamist violence between those who support and those who oppose the group. But Tripolitania has leapt to the fore as the province that most clearly threatens Westerners and Western interests.

    Last month, fighters under the group’s banner claimed responsibility  for a brazen attack on a luxury hotel in the capital, Tripoli, that is a hub for visiting Westerners and leaders of the Islamist-backed provisional government.

    At least eight were killed, including David Berry, an American security contractor who had served as a Marine. Two of the Islamic State fighters died in a battle against government forces, a sign of the Islamist-versus-Islamist volatility the group had injected into the Libyan chaos.

    “It is a real conflict,” said Frederic Wehrey, a senior policy analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace who recently visited Libya.

    “The Islamic State guys are trying to carve out territory” apart from the broader Islamist coalition and are “challenging them on their own turf,” he said, while other extremists are “peeling off, gravitating to the Islamic State and becoming bolder.”


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1812 - February 16, 2015, 08:09 AM

    Yes, it is an expanding franchise.

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    Islamic State Video Shows Beheadings of Egyptian Christians in Libya

    CAIRO — A video released Sunday night by the Islamic State appeared to show the mass beheading of at least a dozen Egyptian Christians by fighters in a recently formed Libyan arm of the militant group.

    Identical in style and details to earlier execution videos released by the Islamic State, this one was the first the group has released depicting a killing outside of its core territory in Syria and Iraq. It appeared to show much closer communication and collaboration between the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, and its far-flung satellite groups than Western officials previously believed.

    As the Obama administration seeks broad approval to use military force in an open-ended war against the Islamic State, the new video may reinforce the concerns among some lawmakers that the legislation could authorize operations in unexpected territories like Libya, where local militants are planting the Islamic State flag as “provinces” of the group.

    Concern is already growing in Libya and the West that the group might capitalize on the chaos that has engulfed the country in order to establish and expand a base of operations there. At least three groups of Libyan fighters have already pledged loyalty to the Islamic State, one in each of the country’s three regions: Barqa in the east, Fezzan in the south and Tripolitania in the west.

    Officials of Libya’s internationally recognized government recently traveled to Washington to seek help from the West in preventing the Islamic State’s expansion. Even some opponents fighting that government as part of a coalition with Libyan Islamist factions have reportedly begun raising alarms about the need to stop the Islamic State from expanding in Libya.

    In Cairo, where the military-backed government has been working to defeat the Islamist factions in neighboring Libya, supporters of the government cited the video released Sunday as new evidence that those factions pose a growing threat to Egypt’s own security.

    Confirming that those killed in the video were Egyptian Christians taken hostage in Libya weeks ago, President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt on Sunday announced seven days of national mourning and a meeting of his defense council. In a televised address, he said Egypt would choose the “necessary means and timing to avenge the criminal killings.”

    The White House offered support to Egypt’s government and condolences to the victims’ families in a statement on Sunday night, condemning the “despicable and cowardly” killings and saying, “ISIL’s barbarity knows no bounds.”

    The Islamic State promoted the video last week with a photograph from the scene that appeared in its English-language online magazine, Dabiq.

    The main difference from other execution videos it has released is that the new one appears to have taken place on the southern shore of the Mediterranean, on a rocky beach said to be in western Libya, far closer to Europe than sites previously depicted.

    Fighters under the banner of the Tripolitania Province of the Islamic State announced last month that they were holding about 20 Egyptian Christians, or Copts. A similar number of Egyptian Christians in Libya seeking work had disappeared in the mid-coastal city of Surt. Officials of both the Egyptian government and the Coptic Church confirmed that captives seen in a photograph with the announcement were the missing Egyptian Christians, and on Sunday confirmed that they were killed in the video.

    In the video, masked fighters identified as from the Tripolitania Province of the Islamic State, dressed in black with machetes at their chests, parade along a rocky beach toward the camera with a row of bound captives in orange jumpsuits, like the ones worn by victims in previous Islamic State videos.

    About five minutes long, the video bears the logo of Al Hayat, the Islamic State’s media arm. Unlike the cellphone videos usually made by Libyan militants, it is as polished as previous Islamic State videos, with slow motion, aerial footage and the quick cuts of a music video. The only sound in much of the background is the lapping of waves.

    The captives are made to kneel in the sand. Then they are simultaneously beheaded with the theatrical brutality that has become the trademark of Islamic State extremists. There was no indication in the video about when the beheadings took place.

    The lead executioner speaks in fluent English with an American accent, and his words are translated in Arabic subtitles. Under the title “A Message Signed With Blood to the Nation of the Cross,” he emphasizes that the fighters are just one part of the broader Islamic State group.

    “Oh, people, recently you have seen us on the hills of as-Sham and Dabiq’s plain, chopping off the heads that have been carrying the cross for a long time,” he said, using Arabic terms for places in and around Syria. “Today, we are on the south of Rome[/b][/size], on the land of Islam, Libya, sending another message.”

    He implies that they are taking revenge for the killing of Osama bin Laden by American commandos and his burial at sea, saying, “The sea you’ve hidden Sheikh Osama bin Laden’s body in, we swear to Allah we will mix it with your blood.”

    One subtitle adds that the killing is also retaliation for a sectarian dispute that flared in Egypt five years ago over a Coptic Christian woman, Camilia Shehata, the wife of a Coptic Christian priest. She disappeared for a time, and many Muslims believe she tried to convert to Islam, only to be kidnapped by her husband and members of the church.

    Ms. Shehata briefly became a cause célèbre among Islamist militants, before the Arab Spring eclipsed such skirmishes.

    “This filthy blood is just some of what awaits you, in revenge for Camelia and her sisters,” a caption declares, as blood from the prisoners darkens the waves.

    Analysts said the video challenged the presumptions of many Western analysts that militants in places like Libya might be adopting the banner of the Islamic State for its notoriety without signing on to its bloodthirsty and messianic ideology.

    “It is one thing to fly the ISIS flag because a lot of guys are doing it,” said William McCants, a researcher at the Brookings Institution who studies Islamist militants. “It is another thing to capture a bunch of Egyptian Copts and kill them and see it as some of part of a grand, final-days battle.”


    Why did they kill Osama when they KNEW that it would upset Muslims? lipsrsealed Can't we just give them Spain and Portugal back? Perhaps they will then stop attacking us?

    So Egypt has responded. Better than having a non-Muslim country respond I guess. As to not - well, you know - upset Muslims.

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    Egypt says it bombed Islamic State targets in Libya: state television


    (Reuters) - Egypt's military said in a statement on state television it had carried out an air strike against Islamic State targets in Libya at dawn on Monday, a day after the group released a video appearing to show the beheading of 21 Egyptians there.

    The attack focused on Islamic State camps, training sites and weapons storage areas in Libya, where Islamist militants have thrived amid chaos.

    President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi has repeatedly said militants based in Libya pose a serious security threat to Egypt, a strategic U.S. ally that is fighting insurgents in the Sinai who have pledged allegiance to Islamic State.

    The 21 Egyptian Christians, who had gone to Libya in search of jobs, were marched to a beach, forced to kneel and then beheaded, the video showed.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1813 - February 16, 2015, 10:03 AM

    Disgusting. I have to say that since I watched the movie with the beheading of the Burmese woman in the "wonderful" KSA, when I see this kind of news I have a migraine all day long.

    Is long time since that part of the world is not a safe place for Christians or Non Muslims in general. Libya was such a better place with Gaddafi, but we here in Europe had to intervine and make it worse.

    Europe and USA should do more for this peoples, they should just ease immigration for Christians, Yazidis and other Non Muslims. There is nothing there for them, but death or submission.
     
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1814 - February 17, 2015, 12:57 PM

    What ISIS really wants

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
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    [...]

    We are misled in a second way, by a well-intentioned but dishonest campaign to deny the Islamic State’s medieval religious nature. Peter Bergen, who produced the first interview with bin Laden in 1997, titled his first book Holy War, Inc. in part to acknowledge bin Laden as a creature of the modern secular world. Bin Laden corporatized terror and franchised it out. He requested specific political concessions, such as the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Saudi Arabia. His foot soldiers navigated the modern world confidently. On Mohamd Atta’s last full day of life, he shopped at Walmart and ate dinner at Pizza Hut.

    There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse.

    The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

    To take one example: In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide. (As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.”)

    But Adnani was not merely talking trash. His speech was laced with theological and legal discussion, and his exhortation to attack crops directly echoed orders from Muhammad to leave well water and crops alone—unless the armies of Islam were in a defensive position, in which case Muslims in the lands of kuffar, or infidels, should be unmerciful, and poison away.

    The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

    Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal.

    [...]

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1815 - February 17, 2015, 04:53 PM

    What did the Dyslexic ISIL terrorist shout as he detonated his bomb?

    'A-Wak-Allah-bah!'

    Ahem, sorry  whistling2

    It's funny how God is great whenever Daesh hit their targets, and He's also great when they get hit, they can't seem to stop shouting it, it doesn't matter who dies, Allah just loves a violent death, yay verily.

    Ha Ha.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1816 - February 18, 2015, 06:49 PM

    America's Reputation in the World, Military Capacity, and Security: Noam Chomsky on Empire (2004)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNIoHI2nLD8

    good to watch that

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1817 - February 20, 2015, 06:01 PM

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    A new discourse has surfaced during the past six months in the conservative city of Mosul, one that should lead Islamists everywhere to some recalculation. In brief, it is this: Allah is not doing anything. A phrase considered to be the ultimate heresy in Islam is spreading widely in private discussions. ISIS religious fanatics are creating agnostics and atheists at an alarming rate.

    Hasan (alias) is a thirty-something shop owner from Mosul’s East District. His plaint is becoming more typical:

    "I used to pray voluntarily without a gun pointed to my head. My prayers were sincere and heartfelt. Now, I wrap up my prayers as quick as possible, sometimes not even recalling what I recite. I’m occupied with my shop, which had already been looted once during a mass prayer. Instead of conforming to this ritual [of dropping everything and praying together], I could have performed my prayers in the shop. Any customer would see me, wait till I finished and perhaps buy something. Times are hard without wasting opportunities and as the call for prayer approaches I feel burdened by many grievances that are distancing me from Allah."

    Scores of Mosul residents have abandoned going to mosques altogether and choose to pray at home to avoid ISIS. Hasan added: “There is a young man who lives around this area; an absolutely immoral perverted person so that I do not have enough bad words to describe with. He has joined ISIS and grown a long beard. Now he roams the market place fully armed. I see him and think, ‘if this lowlife represents Islam, then I no longer need this religion’—and then I quickly ask Allah for forgiveness.”

    Ruaa, 35, told me she misses her “Christian neighbors as Christmas approaches. We used to visit them during their holidays. They were family and we were not able to offer them any help. I am ashamed of myself and my religion. I do not blame them if they hate Islam.” The most extreme statement came from Saad, a 29-year-old physician: “Our problem is with Allah. Every murderer, rapist, and thief speaks in His name and He does nothing. Do not tell me Allah exists. If He does, then He is content with what is happening. Either way I want nothing to do with Him.”

    While atheism exists everywhere, what is rising in Mosul, and probably in Raqqa too, is a trend worth noting. When young people, once devoted Muslims, decide to stray from the Creator in anger, the future will bear the consequences. A young doctor told me he has become a heavy smoker and laughs about the extreme lengths he goes to just to get his hands on smoke after ISIS added cigarettes to its extended “taboo list.” He wrapped his amusing story with blasphemy: “If not only ISIS, but if Allah Himself comes down here to Mosul and tells me stop, I will still find a way to smoke.” This is a far cry from the man I used to know, who backed the Islamic Party in all national and local elections. ISIS is driving him crazy.

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/02/caliphatalism/
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1818 - February 20, 2015, 11:54 PM

    “Our problem is with Allah. Every murderer, rapist, and thief speaks in His name and He does nothing. Do not tell me Allah exists. If He does, then He is content with what is happening. Either way I want nothing to do with Him.”

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1819 - February 20, 2015, 11:55 PM

    It's just a shame it had to come to this for some people to realise.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1820 - February 21, 2015, 12:12 AM



    What an amazing article!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1821 - February 21, 2015, 08:38 AM

    How ISIS Wages a Brutal and Hideous War on Women

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    "Forgive me … forgive me,” said the Syrian woman wearing an Afghan chador dress to her father a few minutes before she was stoned to death by ISIS fighters and her father.

    “No. I will never forgive you…. You want me to forgive you for your wrongdoing? I am sorry. My heart will not let me forgive you,” her old tribal father replied.

    “Allah the God of all people will forgive me,” she said, appealing to him again.

    “Allah the God of all people may forgive you. But I will not forgive you,” he replied. Then, the long black-bearded ISIS stoning squad leader said, “Allah the God of all people is more merciful than us and him [the father] and the whole world.” ISIS militants urged her father to forgive her. But he insisted he would not.

    “Father,” she pleaded again with her weak voice.

    “Don’t say 'father.' I am not your father.”

    Finally, ISIS members pressured him and he unwillingly agreed to forgive her.

    “Pray to Allah for me,” she asked him.

    “Ha?! Pray to Allah!” He rejected that too.

    She was silent. But she took that as a yes.

    The ISIS terrorist asked her to say her last words. “I advise every honest woman to protect her honor more than her life,” she said.

    The father tied his daughter with a rope and dragged her into a hole prepared for the stoning; then he and the rest of the men executed their justice. The father from a few feet away carried a big, heavy rock and threw it at his daughter’s head. Within minutes, her head was no longer recognizable. To show mercy to the digital audience, the video went out of focus. But there was no mercy for the stoned woman.

    This video that was posted a few weeks ago is yet another example of the barbaric cruelty that Iraqi and Syrian women are enduring under the reign of ISIS.

    The idea of an independent woman — a woman who can make decisions for herself and her family — is anathema to far-right Islamists. To ISIS, women are a threat if they’re not completely subservient to the men who rule them — the father, the brother, the husband. They have no mobility; they are essentially enslaved. Anyone who defies the orthodoxy of the ruling male dominance is swiftly eliminated.

    Last month in the Iraqi city of Mosul, where 2 million people live, ISIS reportedly executed several notable women, including lawyers, physicians, activists and politicians for various reasons. Among them was a famous lawyer who refused to charge the families of the Iraqi detainees in the U.S. military detention facilities between 2003 and 2011.The Iraqi writer Mushriq Abbas says Samira Salih al-Nuaimi was born in 1963. She was illiterate until the age of 18, when she enrolled in a class and learned how to read and write, after which she earned two bachelor’s degrees, in literature and law. Because of her continued criticism of ISIS on social media and in person, she was arrested and tortured for five days and then killed in public in Mosul.

    The killing of al-Nuaimi sparked angry reactions around the world. The United Nations and the U.S. State Department, among others, condemned the killing.

    While we were able to verify independently the killing of Samira al-Nuaimi, the extremely dangerous circmstances in Mosul made it difficult to verify other murders of notable women. 

    Lawyer Najlaa al-Omary was arrested as well and died in prison weeks earlier for the same accusation, of resisting the Caliph’s reign. Other female lawyers are reportedly in ISIS prisons in Mosul now for not representing ISIS members in Iraqi courts before the fall of Mosul last June.

    In August, one of Mosul’s most famous physicians, Dr. Ghada Shafiq, was murdered in her house by ISIS members after refusing arrest by them. A strike by Mosul’s physicians was organized to protest her killing.

    In early September, three other female physicians in Mosul were killed by ISIS members because they refused to treat ISIS wounded fighters. And this month, a female surgeon was murdered for the same reason. The former member of parliament Iman Mohammed, the former parliamentary candidate Zina Nuri al-Anizi, and five other housewives were also killed by ISIS members. Another physician was killed two weeks earlier for refusing to wear ISIS’s version of the Islamic dress for women. All the victims were killed in Mosul.

    None of the Iraqi women were killed without a fight. In the early weeks of ISIS resurgence in June, one of them became an Iraqi Joan of Arc. On the morning of June 22, 2014, just two-and-a-half hours before her death by an ISIS sniper bullet in battle, Omaya al-Jbara, a 40-year-old mother of four and a women’s rights activist, woke up with extraordinary feelings of happiness.

    Until 2 a.m. the night before, she had helped hundreds of men — including her brothers and cousins — repel an attack by ISIS on her hometown, al-Alam, a small agricultural town about 90 miles north of Baghdad, near Tikrit, that was captured 11 days earlier. The towns surrounding al-Alam have all fallen to ISIS.

    For 12 days, ISIS mortars, RPGs and rockets rained down on houses and streets. Groups of men, armed with heavy machine guns, tried to break into the town with their fast cars and trucks. That night, the Iraqi army helicopters helped the defenders and managed to burn five ISIS vehicles.

    Al-Alam is a town inhabited by al-Jubour tribe, one of the largest tribes in Iraq. The sheikh (tribal head) of al-Jubour in al-Alam is Omaya al-Jbara’s older brother. Because Omaya’s father had refused to cooperate with al-Qaeda, he was kidnapped by the ISIS predecessor organization, the Islamic State of Iraq, at a fake checkpoint in 2007. His body was never found. Omaya’s younger brother, 19-year-old law student Nazal al-Jbara, recalled that Omaya “wept secretly in private for months after his kidnapping. But in public, she encouraged everybody to keep fighting al-Qaeda.”

    A few months later, Omaya’s older brother was also killed when his car exploded from a road bomb. “We heard in the beginning that he was still alive, so Omaya went to the roof of our house and fired an AK-47 in the air to celebrate. Then we knew that he didn’t survive and she mourned again,” Nazal said.

    When ISIS expanded last June, Omaya sent her sick husband and her four children — two boys, 12 and 8 years old, and two girls, 10 and 2 years old — to the safety of Erbil, the capital of the Kurdistan region in the north. Omaya stayed behind to fight. “We urged her not to take part in the fight. But she insisted,” said her other brother Marwan al-Jbara, a 39-year-old who runs a TV channel.

    Omaya was not known as a fighter. Despite the tragedies of losing her father and her brother, she was a happy and loving wife, mother and sister. In al-Alam, she worked as a history teacher. She also studied law and founded a women’s rights organization to promote the status of women in her community. “She was full of joy and very kind,” said Nagham Toshee, a friend of Omaya who worked as a member of the Nineveh Province Council. “She was very generous. She liked music and poetry. She also loved to travel.”

    For 13 days, Omaya fought with her brothers and cousins to defend her town from the ISIS invasion. They built barriers of sandbags at the southern entrance of the town and fought behind them for protection. In those two weeks, Omaya saw her share of violence.

    On the morning of June 22, she was at her older brother’s house. I visited that house as a reporter while covering the Iraqi provincial election in 2009. I met her older brother, Sheikh Khamis, who told me the tragic story of his father's and brother’s deaths in 2007.

    When she woke up that morning, Omaya heard of another attack by ISIS fighters that started at 6 am. This time they were attacking from nearby farms. She rushed to the scene. “She knew that our fighters lacked ammunitions, so she took her AK 47 and another heavy machine-gun with ammunition and brought them to the fighters,” Nazal, the law student, said.

    “She told us, ‘We will not let them in.’”

    Seven ISIS fighters were killed that morning. “She killed three of them personally,” Nazal confirmed. “After turning her back to the ISIS fighters for a second while trying to hand one of our fighters some ammunition, a sniper shot hit her in the heart. She was silent. She died immediately.”

    After her death, the battle raged for another hour-and-a-half. Then ISIS kidnapped dozens of men, women and children from al-Alam while they were trying to flee. The leaders of the town negotiated with ISIS for their release. ISIS insisted on the surrender of the town as a condition, and he next day, al-Alam surrendered to ISIS. Omaya’s brothers fled.

    Omaya’s courage inspired many people in Iraq. Her burial turned into a public demonstration against ISIS. Photos and videos went viral on social media sites in Iraq. The Iraqi former Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said in a statement that Omaya was one of “the women that made the terrorists astonished … with their rare bravery.”

    Omaya’s actions came while full divisions of the Iraqi army fled the battlefield with almost no fight. “She was a true hero - way more brave than those filthy army generals who sold Iraq and fled the battle,” said Salama al-Sagban, who runs a women’s right organization in southern Iraq.

    Her killing also took place when many people think there is no way back for Iraq anymore. “Unfortunately, the people are divided socially and ideologically. There is no way to restore the unity of the people. I think Iraq as a state has totally collapsed. It is divided in land, people and in the political system. These are the elements of the state,” said Shatha Al Musawi, a former member of parliament.

    But Omaya’s brother Nazal thinks otherwise. He honors his sister’s conviction. “They (the al-Jubour tribe) have revolted in several places…. We will spare nothing in the fight against ISIS.”


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1822 - February 21, 2015, 08:54 AM

    "ISIS Killed My Father"

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    "I didn’t find him,” my younger brother told me over the phone.

    “Are you sure? Did you go over all the bodies in the morgue?” I asked.

    “Yes. I went through hundreds of bodies.”

    “I will come and check them myself. Wait for me.”

    I arrived at Baghdad central morgue at midday. The guards asked me to identify the neighborhood where my father had been kidnapped. At that time--December 19, 2006--the Ministry of Health was controlled by the Mahdi army, the Shiite militia that was involved in the sectarian war. The guards at the morgue gate were militiamen and asked leading questions to determine if I was Sunni or Shiite. As a Shiite, I avoided the fate of those who were not.

    At the morgue, the scene was beyond description. There were bodies everywhere--three large halls were full of corpses. The dead lined the halls and walkways outside. I couldn’t smell anything that day because I had the flu, but my brother had to cover his nose to avoid the smell of deteriorating flesh. Because there were so many, putting the bodies in refrigerators was impossible. Instead, they lay on the ground one next to the other.

    Two of the large halls had “fresh” bodies, which had been delivered in the last two days. I estimated that each hall had about a hundred bodies. I went through every one of them, examining the faces carefully. My younger brother had done that twice. I glanced at the third hall where older bodies had been dumped, but didn’t go in. I walked through the smaller rooms and the walkways, searching the colorless faces of the dead. Screens showed bodies that had been buried after the criminal autopsy had been completed. My father was not there.

    I was then thirty-one years old and working as a press officer at the Iraqi Ministry of Justice where my sister also worked as a translator. I am the oldest among two brothers and a sister. My brother was a software programmer at the Ministry of Electricity. My youngest brother was in his final year of high school. My mother was a retired social worker. All of us had lived through many years of war.

    The morgue was like a terrifying horror movie. The bodies there showed marks of electric drills, burning, bullets, beating with everything you can imagine, torture by whipping on almost every part of the body including the face. I couldn’t count how many faces I saw whose eye or nose or mouth were destroyed and unrecognizable.The drilling – which was the signature of the Mahdi army – was particularly awful. They focused on the wrists and the feet. But there were many bodies that had holes drilled in so many other places, like the head, the neck or even eyes or noses and other parts. Many bodies had the hands tied up. Almost all bodies were male, including teenagers and elderly men.My father, 65 year-old Mohammed Hussein Ra’uf had been kidnapped from our home in Amiriya, western Baghdad the day before by ISIS militants who controlled that Sunni neighborhood. At that time, they called themselves the Islamic State of Iraq. Iraq -- including Baghdad -- was embroiled in a violent sectarian war. Minorities in dominant majority areas, like my father, had to abandon their houses or face death. But it was not easy to leave if you were not rich. Those without other resources were the unluckiest of the unlucky. We were among them.

    My father was middle-class and well-connected, but retired. He was a former public servant and a politician. As a law graduate, he was one of the founders of the Iraqi Ministry of Labor and he co-drafted the first Iraqi social security law in the 1970s. He was also a politician who believed in Arab unity.On August 2006, our house was fired upon from a near distance by militants in a car while my brother was arriving from work. He survived and nobody was harmed. But the message was clear: Leave now or face death. We were among the last Shiite families in Amiriya. We had lived in that house, which my father built, for 25 years.Very soon after, we left and rented another house in a neighborhood in eastern Baghdad. On the day of his kidnapping and death, my father went to our old house and saw ISIS militants inside. He confronted them and told them to leave. They said they wanted to talk to him at a nearby mosque. So he took his car and followed them. We never saw him alive again.

    After my father was kidnapped, I called every Sunni person we knew for help. We were secular Shiites. Most of our friends were Sunni. But on that day, many abandoned us. I called my younger brother’s best friend, who lived in Amiriya. This friend spent a decade visiting us almost every day. He hung up on me. I called my own best Sunni friend, just to be asked by him whether we are “the family of the Iranian old woman” or not. That woman was my late grandmother. She was not Iranian at all. Her mother was Iranian, though.For the Sunni minority that ruled Iraq for 14 centuries with an iron fist, Iran is the enemy that they wish they could obliterate. Saddam Hussein launched an 8-year-long war against Iran and he used chemical weapons against them. Under Saddam, the Iraqi Shiite population suffered. Iran was the only Shiite country then.After leaving the Baghdad central morgue, I visited another morgue on the western side of Baghdad. The refrigerating system there had broken down and the halls were so full that the bodies occupied all of the empty space on the floors, spilling out of the building. This time, I was accompanied by my older cousins. We started in the walkways since the corpses there were the most recent. Suddenly, my cousin said, “That is him.”I went to the body and saw the man who worked so hard his entire life to make sure that I was fed, clothed, protected, educated and employed. I saw my father’s dead body.

    My father was really a handsome man. When he was young and had a mustache, he sometimes looked like the late British actor Laurence Olivier. When he got older and removed the mustache and wore glasses, he sometimes looked like the late U.S. president Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He was tall and pale, with a photogenic face. People always thought he was a decade younger than he was.

    Lying on the ground wearing his dark pants, his yellow shirt, dark brown sweater and jacket, his face looked unchanged except for his red eyes and opened mouth. But when I sat next to him, I saw a relatively large hole in the right side of his neck. Both wrists had deep drill wounds. I saw another hole made by a bullet in the heart area. He bled when we moved him.

    I later figured out that my father wasn’t tortured. He was made to sit on his knees, in ISIS’s execution position. His hands were not tied. He thought that he could minimize the injuries of the bullet if he could put his hands in their way. The big hole in his neck was from a certain kind of bullet that makes large wounds when entering human flesh.

    Despite my father being half blind and half deaf; despite that he couldn’t smell at all due to a car accident he had while serving in the government, which forced him to retire for being unfit to serve; and despite that he was 65 and unarmed, ISIS members killed him from close range. Their only reason was that he was technically Shiite.

    For ISIS, Shiites are not only not Muslims. They are Muslims who converted from the faith and they must be killed. But ISIS is a true Iraqi product. It used its extreme twisted interpretation of Islam for something not religious at all. Sunnis ruled Iraq until 2003. They have never accepted the fact that in a democracy the majority will rule.

    The most extreme Sunni Iraqis will never accept a real democracy and they will kill as many Shiites as they can, or they will destroy the entire country if Shiites don’t return power to the Sunnis.

    My father lived all his life as a secular man. Most of his friends were Sunnis. His political party believed in Arab unity with other Sunni Arabs in the Arab world. He spent the last few years of his life defending Sunni detainees arrested by the U.S. military and calling for a non-sectarian Iraq. But that was not enough to spare his life by ISIS. He was just another Shiite that needed to be eliminated.

    I never saw my house again.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1823 - February 21, 2015, 06:32 PM

    Smtm i would like to revive Saddam Hussein just for her see most of country controlled by Iran, à part by daesh and Kurds free.
    @cahitstorm so he die from an heart attack soon after

    Courtesy @cahitstorm

    https://twitter.com/cahitstorm/status/569201700780822529
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1824 - February 21, 2015, 07:01 PM

    That lady's story was heartbreaking.

    In all my years as a practicing Muslim I always intensely hated sectarianism. Fortunately I never experienced it. I only read about. But even then only on a more limited scale to what is happening these days in Iraq.

    Islamia School (where I was a teacher for 15 years) was a Sunni School but we had a large minority of Shia children and also had some Shia teachers. Dr. Awad and teacher Fatima for example. I knew the Shia parents well and there was never any hint of a problem. In fact I personally loved the Iraqi Shia families the best they were educated, cultured, well-behaved and moderate.

    When I read this lady's story, I thought of the sweet and lovely children I used to teach in her shoes.

    Such madness.

    I hate the world sometimes :(
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1825 - February 22, 2015, 02:35 AM

    I have been very lucky to know very nice Shia, Sunni, and Ahmadiyya families. In the city where I spent most of my life they had khanakahs (not sure of spelling), where all the ladies I knew got together to do dhikr or whatever, and I believe we had some Bahai attending, too. I wish I had gone. I worked far too much.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1826 - February 22, 2015, 04:00 AM

    So after the islamic state murdered 21 christians they warned that they were “south of Rome,” adding that “We will conquer Rome with allah’s permission.”, even creating a hashtag #We_Are_Coming_O_Rome. Italians responded with travel advice and tips on where to eat and what wines to try.

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/We_Are_Coming_O_Rome?src=hash

    http://deadstate.org/italians-perfectly-troll-isis-on-twitter-in-response-to-we_are_coming_o_rome-hashtag/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/02/20/the-islamic-state-threatens-to-come-to-rome-italians-respond-with-travel-advice/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11426954/Italians-laugh-off-Isil-terror-threat-with-travel-tips.html

    http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/italians-travel-tips-daesh-659572?utm_content=buffera5ff9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    From the last link:

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    Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, the leader of Islamic State, said in July: "This is my advice to you. If you hold to it, you will conquer Rome and own the world, if Allah wills."

    "We will conquer your Rome, break your crosses, and enslave your women,” Abu Mohammad Al-Adnani, spokesman of Daesh, said.

    “If we do not reach that time, then our children and grandchildren will reach it, and they will sell your sons as slaves at the slave market,” he added.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1827 - February 22, 2015, 09:12 AM

    Islamia School (where I was a teacher for 15 years) was a Sunni School but we had a large minority of Shia children and also had some Shia teachers. Dr. Awad and teacher Fatima for example. I knew the Shia parents well and there was never any hint of a problem. In fact I personally loved the Iraqi Shia families the best they were educated, cultured, well-behaved and moderate.

    I guess it won't help when I tell that there are reports of kids asking each other if they are Shia or Sunni in the kindergarden here.

    Also a Danish Shia lady of mixed Pakistani heritage (I think I read she is half Pashtun) - of the secular, semi-practicing kind - reported that their mosque was threatened with being bombed by some very intimidating Salafi-looking guys when they went for an evening of community Ashura commemoration. Apparently it was not the first time.

    Didn't catch the attention of the usual people that shouts about racism and how Muslims are a persecuted minority in Denmark despite them reporting it to the police.

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1828 - February 22, 2015, 11:36 AM

    Sadly the tensions have reached here now. Muslim businesses are being phoned up by wahabi types to check if they are sunni or shia so they can avoid them if they are shia.

    But such people are a minority, thankfully.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1829 - February 22, 2015, 04:50 PM

    http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000003517767/fit-for-isis.html

    Fit for ISIS. Pretty depressing man.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8MR0IRSgRU

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