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  • Greetings, everyone
     OP - June 14, 2014, 12:55 AM

    Hello, after having found this forum several weeks, I have really been thinking a lot. I am glad such a forum as this exist, since before, the mere idea of doubting my religion was frightening. Now I am more afraid of remaining in my religion.

    To give you all a summary of my background:

    I am a 20 year old somalian. I grew up most of my life in the netherlands, then in recent years moved to the uk. I started doubting around 3 years ago. My doubts were mostly about conflicting things I learned about my religion. Like, we are suppose to fear allah, but also  love? We are suppose to follow the prophet sws, but there are certains things we dont do the same?( example: marrying a minor). But my doubts were always answered with stupid unsatisfying replies. "Allah knows best, look at the context, ask a scholar". However, the most annoying has to be about being posed by shaitan. That bugs me the most. Not only is it demeaning but, also creates this feeling of me being somehow sick. I have got to say I never thought people could believe in actual excorcism, untill my family after an long discussion (When I honestly told them "I dont think I am muslim") sat me done and in a curcle started reciting surats out of the quran. It was too painfully similar as those cultist ceremonies they do, which you see on tv. Still cant believe they thought it helped. Cause I am still  confused. To end it and wrap it up. I am honestly fed up with my religion, but at the same emotionally involved. There are days that I can be devout, but others where I dont care. And I am AWARE of it. I know I lost my religion, but I dont seem to let go. Whats worse I have to play along with my families wishes at this points since they already wanted to kick me out, but I cried immensly because of the emotional and said yes to all their demands. So here I am probably emotionally broken individual who is stuck in a position of leaving his religion or stayong for his family sake. I do have to say I am very blessed with my family. The fact that they still are trying with me shows their love, but it is sad that they cant accept me as just me.

    If you manage to read through all this. Thankyou. I really mean it. I honestly wrote it at this time period, purely to vent out my frustrations. So thankyou and sorry for any spelling mistakes or errors in my grammar.
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #1 - June 14, 2014, 01:09 AM

    Hey, I read through it all... welcome to the forum!

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #2 - June 14, 2014, 01:17 AM

    Thankyou Smiley
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #3 - June 14, 2014, 01:49 AM

    Welcome. parrot What part of the UK are you in?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #4 - June 14, 2014, 01:54 AM

    Welcome!  parrot
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #5 - June 14, 2014, 03:37 AM

    Welcome to the forum SomaBoyConfused, have a rabbit!  bunny

    Many people have a tough time coming out about being an ex-muslim with their families.  far away hug I hope you can find the experiences of others' here useful.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #6 - June 14, 2014, 08:17 PM

    Welcome and I wish hou all the best :-)
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #7 - June 14, 2014, 08:33 PM

    Welcome home. We've been expecting you.


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #8 - June 14, 2014, 08:54 PM

    Welcome to the forum!  parrot
    Another Dutchie! (sort of)  bunny

    You're parents are probably holding on to you because they think you are going to hell for not believing, so it really is a way of showing love. It's sad, though, that they can't accept your decision to not believe and threaten to kick you out. But we all are in the same boat here, some of us still in the closet, some in the process of coming out and some are already past that station. You'll find support here!

    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #9 - June 14, 2014, 09:46 PM

     parrot

    Hello, and welcome!

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #10 - June 15, 2014, 10:52 PM

     thnkyu All for the pleasant welcome.Smiley it may sound corny but, seeing the replies did put a smile on my face. To answer you  Quod, I live in the west midlands. Trustworthy, I would have to agree. They arent really beating around the bush. They constantly remind of fearing hell. Nonetheless I dont think my situation is as life threathening or crippling as I have seen from some other stories. I think foremost my problem is of independence and not having a home where I can be genuinely myself than anything else.
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #11 - June 15, 2014, 11:10 PM

    hello mate, welcome  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #12 - June 16, 2014, 01:52 AM

    Hello and welcome!  parrot

    We are all born atheists until someone start telling us lies.
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #13 - June 16, 2014, 02:07 AM

    Welkom.

    I live in the west midlands.

    Why did your family leave the land of Oud Gouda for the West Midlands?  (Serious question.)
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #14 - June 16, 2014, 12:13 PM

    Some nice places in the Midlands.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #15 - June 17, 2014, 01:05 AM

    Welcome kid! Afro
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #16 - June 26, 2014, 12:30 AM

    Welkom.
    Why did your family leave the land of Oud Gouda for the West Midlands?  (Serious question.)

     Hello, David. To answer your question (I know it is quite late) our family was divided with me and my siblings living in Holland and my dad in England. It was simply to re-unite the family, even though i had to give up whatever course i was doing at the moment. That is i guess the simplest way of explaining. It was also very evident that both my parents didn't really like Holland itself. Hell, only reason they came here was because they thought it was better than Italy, were they first lived. They just happened to get stuck in Holland and over time couldn't leave anymore because we were already starting to grew up etc. But, now that you mention it, i do miss that dutch cheese man Cry Its really sub par compared to Holland. Also, the mayonnaise sucks. 

  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #17 - June 26, 2014, 12:44 AM

     Cheesy I think it's like the old stereotype that nothing tastes as good as your mum's cooking. You're used to a certain thing and another style seems weird. Though to be fair I've never tried Dutch mayonnaise, I may taste it and never settle for anything else again. Grin

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #18 - June 26, 2014, 05:00 AM

    Welcome Walal,

    Fellow Somali here.   I can understand what you're going through.   I mentioned on another thread that I never loved Allah.  I was more afraid.  Allah behaves like an spoiled idiot, look at the rain and you dont worship me so I will wait till you die and burn you for all eternity.   What kind of bullshyt is that horta?

    Creating people different for the sole purpose that we can know each other (WTF, as if that is a reason), and then burning the larger part of humanity, turning around claiming to be the most merciful.   Ultimate Saqachanimo!   Dheeg ha u digin deentan bas (dont give this horrid religion an ear), get your education, try to have a decent relationship with your folks but if they refuse realize that even though its hurtful life goes on.   It would be worse to live your life a shell of who you are to placate the emotions of others.

    Your parents will pass away and you will be faced with yourself, live your life for yourself.  That doesnt mean you forget about family, it means be decent but dont be a fool.

    Rant over did I say welcome already? lol  Sodhawow! grin12

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #19 - June 26, 2014, 05:04 AM

    Random weirdness alert.

    ps my cousins brought some great deodorant from Holland, they live there.  I cant remember the name but that shyt was my jam.  I would go to Holland just to get some more of that stuff awesomeness. dance


    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #20 - June 28, 2014, 12:57 AM

    Cheesy I think it's like the old stereotype that nothing tastes as good as your mum's cooking. You're used to a certain thing and another style seems weird. Though to be fair I've never tried Dutch mayonnaise, I may taste it and never settle for anything else again. Grin


    That does make sense. Especially since I haven't been to too many places outside of holland and england. Been to germany couple of times though.


    Welcome Walal,

    Fellow Somali here.   I can understand what you're going through.   I mentioned on another thread that I never loved Allah.  I was more afraid.  Allah behaves like an spoiled idiot, look at the rain and you dont worship me so I will wait till you die and burn you for all eternity.   What kind of bullshyt is that horta?

    Creating people different for the sole purpose that we can know each other (WTF, as if that is a reason), and then burning the larger part of humanity, turning around claiming to be the most merciful.   Ultimate Saqachanimo!   Dheeg ha u digin deentan bas (dont give this horrid religion an ear), get your education, try to have a decent relationship with your folks but if they refuse realize that even though its hurtful life goes on.   It would be worse to live your life a shell of who you are to placate the emotions of others.

    Your parents will pass away and you will be faced with yourself, live your life for yourself.  That doesnt mean you forget about family, it means be decent but dont be a fool.

    Rant over did I say welcome already? lol  Sodhawow! grin12


    Hello, nice to know that there are fellow somalis. It makes it that more believable that my situation is surmountable Smiley Yeah I had pondered about those specific problems too. Although, other dilemmas such as the contradiction in trying to love someone by also fearing it. That never clicked with me. It was also very problematic for me to see the prophet muhammad as a PERFECT rolemodel for all muslims, ever since I learned of his marriage with aisha. I mean fuck! The imaam/sheiks in my mosque werent even denying her age. They simply spouted some nonsense as to how girls in those times were more mature than nowadays. It is just absurd. However, I am afraid having a decent relationship with my parents is near to impossible to achieve. I have very little in common with them. I can hardly talk to them openly about something before they start in lecture mode. I remember, when I was reading a manga book I got from a nearby library (it was deathn ote, a phenomenal series btw) he found it and read a page and when I came home already started to tell me how I am wasting my time, with this weird book.You should read Quran etc... and this goes on pretty much on repeat whenever I have a dispute with them. This basicly is why I dont even feel comfortable at home anymore. I can only talk straight business with them, hardly anything else.

    Yeah hopefully I strategy plan pans out of studying psychology, with a placement year. Cause, living on my own is probably the only for me now to escape this toxic environment and build a more honest relationship with my parents.

    Sorry for a sudden follow-up story, but it had to come out. I never really experienced a forum as much, definetly not a forum where I didnt need to put my guard up. So yeah, all I can say is do expect some incoherent rambling from to time, everyone. Sorry Tongue


  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #21 - June 28, 2014, 01:20 AM

    Hello, David. To answer your question (I know it is quite late) our family was divided with me and my siblings living in Holland and my dad in England. It was simply to re-unite the family, even though i had to give up whatever course i was doing at the moment. That is i guess the simplest way of explaining. It was also very evident that both my parents didn't really like Holland itself. Hell, only reason they came here was because they thought it was better than Italy, were they first lived. They just happened to get stuck in Holland and over time couldn't leave anymore because we were already starting to grew up etc. But, now that you mention it, i do miss that dutch cheese man Cry Its really sub par compared to Holland. Also, the mayonnaise sucks. 




    You miss pindasaus met frites too? I miss that stuff, it is the bomb; so freaking salty though!
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #22 - June 28, 2014, 02:56 AM

    If you're in a city like Manchester or Birmingham or really any place, don't just stay there. Make sure to explore. The midlands has some really beautiful places.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #23 - June 28, 2014, 03:39 AM

    Hi there SomaBoyConfused Smiley

    Parrot for you parrot

    Greetings from Denmark - the land of pork piggy (and cartoons and German dubbed vintage porn)

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #24 - June 28, 2014, 04:14 AM

    That does make sense. Especially since I haven't been to too many places outside of holland and england. Been to germany couple of times though.


    Hello, nice to know that there are fellow somalis. It makes it that more believable that my situation is surmountable Smiley Yeah I had pondered about those specific problems too. Although, other dilemmas such as the contradiction in trying to love someone by also fearing it. That never clicked with me. It was also very problematic for me to see the prophet muhammad as a PERFECT rolemodel for all muslims, ever since I learned of his marriage with aisha. I mean fuck! The imaam/sheiks in my mosque werent even denying her age. They simply spouted some nonsense as to how girls in those times were more mature than nowadays. It is just absurd. However, I am afraid having a decent relationship with my parents is near to impossible to achieve. I have very little in common with them. I can hardly talk to them openly about something before they start in lecture mode. I remember, when I was reading a manga book I got from a nearby library (it was deathn ote, a phenomenal series btw) he found it and read a page and when I came home already started to tell me how I am wasting my time, with this weird book.You should read Quran etc... and this goes on pretty much on repeat whenever I have a dispute with them. This basicly is why I dont even feel comfortable at home anymore. I can only talk straight business with them, hardly anything else.

    Yeah hopefully I strategy plan pans out of studying psychology, with a placement year. Cause, living on my own is probably the only for me now to escape this toxic environment and build a more honest relationship with my parents.

    Sorry for a sudden follow-up story, but it had to come out. I never really experienced a forum as much, definetly not a forum where I didnt need to put my guard up. So yeah, all I can say is do expect some incoherent rambling from to time, everyone. Sorry Tongue






    Its ok seriously.  Come here and let it out, because if you bottle it in you will explode like I did a few days ago with a family member and let slip I think all this is rubbish.

    Then I came on here and got help with damage control, which I messed up a few days later face palm bc I have idiot box cousins. Long story.  My parents are currently overseas so its my word against the somali axwanamuslimeen brigade. phew

    I always get the you should pray lecture and you should wear hijab bc u know u look sooo good in a black potato sack smdh seriously abo? you must think I am really stupid to fall for that.  Thank goodness he has hearing problems

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #25 - July 05, 2014, 03:13 AM

    You miss pindasaus met frites too? I miss that stuff, it is the bomb; so freaking salty though!


    Haha, its been a little  while  for me too since I tasted it. Quick question. Do you know about joppiesaus. I absolutely adore that taste.  Smiley

    If you're in a city like Manchester or Birmingham or really any place, don't just stay there. Make sure to explore. The midlands has some really beautiful places.


    Thanks for the advice. Smiley I do live near birmingham and have been there recently. Love how it looks. Also, a good opportunity arose for me to be visiting it a lot more in the near future. Do you have any tips or suggestions for what I should definetly be on the look out for in Birmingham Wink

    Hi there SomaBoyConfused Smiley

    Parrot for you parrot

    Greetings from Denmark - the land of pork piggy (and cartoons and German dubbed vintage porn)


    Thankyou for the customary parrot I keep seeing on this forum. I do wonder when it started to become customary though. Really, german vintage porn Cheesy
    I recognised the first 2 though. However, my memories of the danish cartoons are kinda hazy. Did anyone directly die of a result of those cartoons.( like the artist who drew muhammad). It would suck if that actually happened. Btw this reminds me again of the whole incident with tea van gogh, how he got killed for a movie he made together with ayaan hirsi ali. It was awful to say the least.


    @Xiis
    Yeah I know what you mean with avoiding to bottle it all in. Its the reason why my situation is so aggravating since my family doesnt trust me too much anymore and look at me as a fool, ignoramus and stubborn for not completely accepting islam. (Yeah ironic I know).
    I do hope your situation pertaining to achieving self autonomy and freedom works out. Especially since iknow in our culture its definetly a lot tougher for girls than boys to go against cultural norms/religion.(Oke this is most likely tougher for girls in general regardless of cultural background Tongue)
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #26 - July 05, 2014, 08:17 PM

    Hello, SomaBoyConfused  Smiley welcome to the forum Smiley
  • Greetings, everyone
     Reply #27 - July 06, 2014, 01:00 AM

    Thankyou for the welcome exmuslimah  Smiley
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