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Reply #60 - August 30, 2014, 03:37 AM

Quote from: lua on August 29, 2014, 05:55 PM
Hamza is nothing without Islam. If he ever openly leaves it, he goes back to being a nobody and will have to find a real job.

Hamza and his ilk are like functionaries in a totalitarian state. They may know it's bullshit, but they'll lose their car and their special food ration if they say so.
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Reply #61 - August 30, 2014, 11:55 PM

Quote from: Jedi on August 29, 2014, 05:39 PM
If neither Maajid Nawaz nor Tariq Ramadhan haven't left Islam then I doubt Hamza ever would. I always thought that Usama Hassan would become an apostate but that never transpired. I think that Tzortzis will develop his own theodicy and follow that whislt claiming that the burkha, stoning and Hell Fire have nothing to do with Islam.

Knowing Usama Hasan and his parents very well I don't think he will leave islam publicly whilst they are alive as they are devout wahhabis/salafis and he doesn't wanna hurt/upset them. From the way he speaks now he seems to be more Deistic/Pantheistic and refers to and talks alot about the beauty of nature/universe and god as a metaphor rather then the monotheistic abrahamic allah.

Interestingly 2 of usamas brothers have left England and shaved their beards and live completely non-religious lives. Everything which indicates they are probably apostates. Being raised in a fundamentalist family creates lots of infidels.
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Reply #62 - August 31, 2014, 10:28 AM

Interesting twitter comments from Maajid!

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506020973624459264

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506021523061493760

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506021732340486145

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506022306683322368

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506022807252512769

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506023102313414656

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506023516844859392

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506026668079972352

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/506028609136783360
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Reply #63 - August 31, 2014, 10:36 AM

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6) This anti-ISIS #BritishFatwa reaches an audience who only think in religious terms, and switch off to secular language.

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9) #BritishFatwa author @QuilliamF Islamic scholar @drusamahasan is fast becoming a leading UK voice for Islamic reform&countering Islamism

Most interesting comments there.
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Reply #64 - August 31, 2014, 12:51 PM

Quote from: serpentofeden on August 30, 2014, 11:55 PM
Being raised in a fundamentalist family creates lots of infidels.

If only that were true. My extended family is pretty fundamentalist even by muslim standards but I seem to be the only apostate in my entire family.

I would know if any one of them was a closet apostate.

( After years in the closet you can easily see the signs that indicate someone doesn't really believe )

In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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Reply #65 - August 31, 2014, 02:51 PM

I think it depends on so many things, both personality and other factors like the society and environment other than the fundamentalist family you come from. I know, and have heard of, so many devout parents who have had all, or some or even most, of their children become "non-practicing" Muslims. I think it is often used as a euphemism for apostasy, because it's better to be a non practicing Muslim than an outright apostate

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Reply #66 - August 31, 2014, 04:29 PM

Yeah, they still on the surface 'fit in'.
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Reply #67 - August 31, 2014, 07:06 PM

Quote from: Cornflower on August 31, 2014, 02:51 PM
I think it is often used as a euphemism for apostasy, because it's better to be a non practicing Muslim than an outright apostate

Well for people that come from fundamentalist families (ex. salafi families) if you are a non practising muslim you keep getting hounded by your family for missing prayers, not going to the mosque, hanging out with non muslims.

In those all or nothing scenarios sometimes it's just easier to come out of the closet and openly leave islam to get them off your back.

In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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Reply #68 - September 28, 2014, 02:39 AM

Did that essay have an explanation for theological/scientific errors like the Qur'an mistaking a rabbinical commentary in the Talmud, (If one kills another it would be the same as if he killed all of Israel/the world) for what God said? That and the shooting stars being mistaken as stars.
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Reply #69 - October 02, 2018, 11:46 AM

Is there any western scientists who support the claim that the Quran is 100% the word of God?
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Reply #70 - October 02, 2018, 02:31 PM

Quote from: Asbjoern1958 on October 02, 2018, 11:46 AM
Is there any western scientists who support the claim that the Quran is 100% the word of God?

I worked ((and work in Science)) for more than 30 years ., I WOULD NEVER CONSIDER A FELLOW AS SCIENTIST WHO SUPPORTS SUCH CLAIMS THAT QURAN IS THE WORD OF GOD., AND SAME THING GOES FOR ALL OTHER RELIGIOUS BOOKS & SAYINGS

In fact I would consider such she/he a fool who happened to work in science for bread and butter., It is different if they are playing a taqiyya game on a dinner table with friends and family members.

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