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OP - October 04, 2014, 05:36 PM

How do you deprogram a religious child?

How do you reverse the superstitious principles of Islam?...can you?

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Reply #1 - October 04, 2014, 05:40 PM

Good question...
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Reply #2 - October 04, 2014, 05:50 PM

I ask this because I have many little siblings who already question the faith, as I have.

One day I overheard an Imam talking to my youngest sister. She is 7 years old, sweetest little thing ever and a very creative little kid.

The Imam was telling her what happens to you in hell. I remember this as clear as day, my little sister said":

"Allah sounds scary...why is he scary?"

The Imam of course, in a stern authoritative voice, spoke down to her and told her we cannot understand Allahs true intention because he is all knowing and all wise and this life is but a test, so on and so fourth.

I was in the kitchen, looking in the fridge when I heard this....I shed a tear for Zayna's pure innocents.....she can tell it is silly, but the "grown ups" around her remind her its dead serious.

I want to set her free.

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Reply #3 - October 04, 2014, 06:01 PM

Foster their curiosity. Knowledge is the enemy of dogma. Encourage those kids to ask questions and to never stop asking them.
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Reply #4 - October 04, 2014, 06:12 PM

Not sure if this is more for teenagers but possibly could read it to her.

And Jules Verne, AC Doyle?

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/aug/12/no-dog-meg-rosoff-review

Lewis Carroll

Owl and the Pussy Cat

Peter Pan

Disney

Night in the Museum

Jumanji

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

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Reply #5 - October 04, 2014, 06:13 PM

Quote from: happymurtad on October 04, 2014, 06:01 PM
Foster their curiosity. Knowledge is the enemy of dogma. Encourage those kids to ask questions and to never stop asking them.

Very true, my nephew has a curious mind and keeps asking questions about how the world works, I try to answer as many as I can.

"Ours is the age which is proud of machines that think and suspicious of men who try to."
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Reply #6 - October 04, 2014, 06:17 PM

Quote from: happymurtad on October 04, 2014, 06:01 PM
Foster their curiosity. Knowledge is the enemy of dogma. Encourage those kids to ask questions and to never stop asking them.

very good stuff man...I agree completely, and that is why I sit down bought the new Cosmos DVD and watched it front to back with these kids.

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Reply #7 - October 04, 2014, 06:17 PM

What type of questions?

I know we have a page here of questions to ask a Muslim, but they are complex and would never originate from the mind of a child.

I want to lead a child on the path to realize a contradiction in the Quran, and ask a question to an Iman/parent on their own....that way their inquiry cannot be traced back to me planting the idea in their head.

.....I know deceptive right? at least its in the same of true questioning. Its coming from a good place.

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Reply #8 - October 04, 2014, 06:27 PM

I was much older - about 12 - from a xian background but one of the key things was an re teacher showing there are two creation stories in Genesis.

That and reading Arthur C Clarke and going to the Natural History and Science and Geological museums regularly!

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

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Reply #9 - October 04, 2014, 08:00 PM

Telling a seven year old not only about hell but that it's real and you might go there is child abuse. As for deprogramming, just help them explore their own minds. There's a book called The Magic of Reality, it's a fantastic read. Bit too advanced for most seven year olds but I would recommend you read it yourself, it'll be an immense help in being able to counter the dawah shit.

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`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #10 - October 04, 2014, 10:10 PM

I am doing this, unlearning them. When my kids ask me questions about God or religious beliefs (I let them bring it up, mostly, so that it sticks in their head), I give them a couple of different points of view, and then I point out some alternate non religious beliefs, and lastly I tell them it is their choice.
Only my seven year old has decided that he wants to believe in a sterile, safe, sweet old lady Methodist type of god. But he is the oldest, so diluted Christianity is not so bad, better than what he started with.

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Reply #11 - October 18, 2014, 02:09 PM

I have a sister a few years younger than I am who's been wearing a Hijab (her own choice) ever since she was little though I've noticed she's not as religiously inclined as she was when she was, say, 8 (young, I know.)
She did have a conversation with me about the origins of the universe and led the belief that it was created in 7 days, to which I immediately corrected her and calmly told her how the universe was actually created. I do regularly have quite casual conversations with her about religious morality and, as an older sister, encourage her to be kind and to not believe in such superstitious bullshit that Islam often spews out. I urge her to be open minded and to do as she pleases and stop assuming everything is a sin "because God said so". I also joke about hell so she can at least see it as laughable rather than fear it for the rest of her life. Luckily, it's much easier to explain things to someone younger. In my mind, it is possible to deprogram a child but it's important to remind them that they can believe whatever they want and encourage that

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Reply #12 - October 18, 2014, 02:54 PM

Quote from: lest we regress on October 04, 2014, 05:36 PM
How do you deprogram a religious child?

How do you reverse the superstitious principles of Islam?...can you?

well that is NOT a ~~very taboo inquiry..~~. That is just an inquiry..

This deprogramming of child highly depends upon the environment he/she was brought up and he/she is living in or can move around..

The best way deprogramming a child from this religious rubbish is, telling them.. children stories of their respective religions and then making them to read children religious story books. To start that has to be done with their own religion., with in a year or so you can give them the story books from other religions ... let them read themselves ..

At the end when they grow-up they realize themselves .. religions are nothing but full of unreal bullshit stories... clearly you can NOT do that if it is a serious Muslim family with Mullah uncle/s preaching hate around .. for e.g.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS2t2e76o8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyRLyXCj3Lg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yto6DczJds

If such nonsense is going around the house., It is extremely difficult to deprogram a child..

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