this goes back to something called language barrier from my country and my language and where i understand if some say your argument is week then your mind is week if that is diffrent in where you live then fine forget about it
I understand that there is a language barrier. That's why I'm willing to say the same things over and over like this and rephrase them for you. So work with me, Ahmed.
look at what i said i said (the main point of the fatwa i sited is that a man can't have azl with a woman unless she gives him his permission) that is the sole and the CORE of my argument here but why you didn't take it for considration??? and just focused on the funny part secound your statment about his biological conclusion to me was irralivant AGAIN My main point is his statment that a man can;t do azl with a woman unless he get her permission if he made a biological error at the end that is not my fault everyone can see that and yes i do want to make it civilized but what you did made more than 3 people laugh at me for a statement that i didn't said
Uh, who was laughing at you? Asbie wasn't even
talking to you in his post. We're laughing at that idea. Laughing at something funny that you showed us does not equal laughing at you. You get me?
Again, just relax, Ahmed. You're the only one getting heated here. I've run out of ways to explain to you that you were
not misquoted. If you want to keep playing the victim and forcing this conversation to become antagonistic and uncivil, that's up to you, I can't stop you. I've explained to you again and again that you made a mistake. I can't help you any more than that.
I did said it's a biology error and his biology conclusion is irrelevant to my argument when some one says the car has four wheels and doesn't have glass I'll guote him to support the idea that the car has four wheels but i will leave out his error quote that it doesn't have glass when i gout him people will say LOL what are you talking about the car DOES have glass i'll say that is not my point i quoted him for his statement that the car has four wheels that is all you see how that will be wrong from the people who will judge me??? AGAIN my main reason to quote him is his statment that a man can't practise azil withput woman permission (consent) pleas understand that
Listen, Ahmed. I read you loud and clear. I understand what you are saying. But
you are still wrong, and this fatwa is still nonsense. Let me try to explain why again. And really pay attention, Ahmed. Let's see if we can get past the communication barrier this time.
Imagine that you told me, "Hey, my friend owes me $9.00. He owes me $9.00, because I bought him two sandwiches, and each sandwich costs $4.00. 4+4=9, so he owes me 9 dollars!"
Now. Could your friend actually owe you $9.00 for something? Maybe. That's possible.
However, I will not accept your explanation, because your facts are wrong. It doesn't matter if your conclusion happens to be right somehow in the end, although I am not convinced the scholar's conclusion is, anyway. I reject your statement because you came to it with false information.
I reject your scholar's statement because it is false information. It doesn't matter that the only part you wanted us to look at was the part where the scholar agreed with you. We're looking at
why the scholar agreed with you. And in this case, the scholar's reasons are laughable mistakes. Therefore, you cannot use this fatwa as evidence for anything except that he may have some long-suffering wives.
Do you understand this?
AGAIN back to my point i asked you for verses to prove rape in islam so far no one was successful in that but your logic doesn't work here just because islam said it's ok for a man to have sex with a slave woman [...] I'm waiting again the burden of proof is on you
Like I said, you mixed me up with another user. Rape isn't the reason I have a problem with your hypothesis. I've told you my real reasons, and, again, you're not addressing them.
Only reason I got involved in the rape part of this discussion is that I responded when you asked for hadith, and then you focused all your efforts on the rape issue and on me. And now, here we are.
Also, no, the burden of proof is now on you, since we did have a hadith that we were speaking of, and we did have Quranic verses. I'm not asking you to find any more. I'm talking about the ones you provided, and asking you to support your claim that the word chastity in the Quran means virginity. So it is, in fact, your turn to man up.
(Either way, I offered you an out on the rape thing. [...]
no you didn't and [...]
When I say "I offered you an out," I am saying "I told you that we don't need to talk about the rape thing any more, because I can tell you're not understanding it. So let's talk about the other issues."
I said that plainly a few comments ago. Do you understand it now?
Topic: The Hypothesis or slavery allowance (if that is how it called) in Islam