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OP - October 17, 2014, 12:59 AM

I heard recently music was Haram in Islam. Is that true?
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Reply #1 - October 17, 2014, 01:42 AM

Yes.

Not Harman, but haram, yes.

Singing and musical instruments.

However you can in religious ceremonies sing - but as female voices are part of their awrah they can't participate - so only male voices. It is called "nasheed".

And a maximum of two daf (tambourine-like) drums.

Daf punk anyone?

Here - check the elaborate Muhsin Khan translation (you probably have to check it to the left at the site):

the Noble Quran Surah 31 Ayat 6

Digging down into the tafseers (tafseer = "interpretation" (of the (clear) Qur'an) (and hadiths it gets even worse, so don't do that).

Luckily Muslims don't follow Islam

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Reply #2 - October 17, 2014, 07:55 PM

Ah, thanks. The rule seems so arbitrary.
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Reply #3 - October 17, 2014, 09:33 PM

The link says "buy" so u2 and common hold music is fine!

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Reply #4 - October 18, 2014, 03:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUqK-4AQvk4

That is from Today. From Karachi .....- 18 oct 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMlLg_khQBg

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Reply #5 - October 18, 2014, 03:55 PM

Crypto-Hindus! The lof ot 'em!

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Reply #6 - October 18, 2014, 04:04 PM

Quote from: Nikolaj on October 18, 2014, 03:55 PM
Crypto-Hindus! The lof ot 'em!

Hmmmm..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8Ac6FulrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eBZ5qgQ2pM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVvGbQcZkDk

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Reply #7 - October 18, 2014, 06:40 PM

Pagans!

Here from an Arab movie 1966:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgXfdX802rs

Well that lady had (thin) Kurdish blood in her veins. Pagan!

From Marwa's splendid blog post here:

WTF *happened* to the Arab World

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Reply #8 - October 19, 2014, 02:21 PM

WTF indeed... Reading Marwa's post almost made me weep because the same thing has happened to the rest of the Islamic world beyond Arabia. Muslims used to dance, drink, have fun and weren't afraid of the opposite sex (and having sex). Now we've become a bunch of hypocritical prudes with AK47's and endless oil wealth.

I remember my grandfather regaling me with tales of drinking whisky and smoking cigars with fellow Muslims and hobnobbing at parties where both men and women were dressed to kill. That same old man died an Allah-fearing man who took to faith to quell his fears of what awaited him after he died. I just wish he had skipped the religion nonsense and made peace with himself.
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Reply #9 - October 19, 2014, 03:43 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on October 18, 2014, 04:04 PM
Hmmmm..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8Ac6FulrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eBZ5qgQ2pM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVvGbQcZkDk

I reaeaeaeaeaeally like the 2nd and 3rd video's
Such a shame if this is all 'haram'.
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Reply #10 - October 19, 2014, 04:01 PM

Quote from: Senga on October 19, 2014, 03:43 PM
I reaeaeaeaeaeally like the 2nd and 3rd video's
Such a shame if this is all 'haram'.

beautiful synthetic butterfly., REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLY... why Senga ?

but I wish there were some girls/women in those videos... even just watching if not dancing ., not just men running around is not a big fun ...

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Reply #11 - October 19, 2014, 04:07 PM

True about the missing women, but when people get happy from music, this makes me happy too.
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Reply #12 - October 19, 2014, 04:14 PM

Quote from: Senga on October 19, 2014, 04:07 PM
.......... when people get happy from music, this makes me happy too.........

Senga watch this tube until the end..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdcuaeYV9oM

Your words and that kids words are very profound .. That is so sweet., Yes As long this happiness does not hurt any one and anything., we must be happy when we see other people in happy mood.

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Reply #13 - October 19, 2014, 04:16 PM

I've seen that and it made me cry from happiness! I'm going to watch it again now, aah, so sweet!
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Reply #14 - October 19, 2014, 04:23 PM

His robot moves are great
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Reply #15 - October 19, 2014, 07:07 PM

Quote from: Senga on October 19, 2014, 04:23 PM
His robot moves are great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu8JFnumfr0
Syria Girl singing for her father and Syrian people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-saruUr3zk
Albanian Orphan Girl (Esmerelda) Sings al-Mu'allim

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Reply #16 - October 19, 2014, 08:47 PM

Like a lot of things in Islam - some people say it is and some people say it isn't, but the more fundamentalist salafi types will say it is! Allah has made this religion clear for you! lol

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Reply #17 - October 19, 2014, 09:37 PM

Very clear.
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Reply #18 - October 20, 2014, 09:48 AM

it depends on the sect/madhab someone belong to..

a Quranist Muslim will say no, its not haram. same goes to shia islam (cmiiw), sufi islam, ahmadi islam, and some school within sunni islam.

we cant pretend that Islam is one, its already divided into many division even since the day of khulafaur rasyidhin (the 4 shahabah)
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Reply #19 - October 20, 2014, 11:06 AM

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Quote from: paul_tarsus says on October 17, 2014, 12:59 AM
I heard recently music was Haram in Islam. Is that true?

and says again
Quote from: paul_tarsus on October 19, 2014, 09:37 PM
~~Very clear.~~

Well dear Paul the Apostle from Tarsus., forget "VERY CLEAR" ..nothing is clear to me., neither your opening post is clear nor any of your posts are clear to me. So to make it clear., you got to tell me more..

1). you have to tell me/give me the link of where you heard that "in Islam music is haram" and what are Islamic scriptural basis of such utterances.

2), you have to tel me whether Paul the Apostle from Tarsus. was CIRCUMCISED OR NOT...

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◄ Leviticus 12:3

New International Version: On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised.

New Living Translation: On the eighth day the boy's foreskin must be circumcised.

English Standard Version: And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

New American Standard Bible: 'On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

King James Bible: And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

Holman Christian Standard Bible: The flesh of his foreskin must be circumcised on the eighth day.

International Standard Version: On the eighth day, the flesh of the baby's foreskin is to be circumcised.

Hmm.. eighth day ....eighth day... Damn.. stupid me eight is an important number ., Let me change my lottery ticket numbers and add some numbers 8s in to ticket...

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Reply #20 - October 20, 2014, 11:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n9PURrww6o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGxm_xANs6M

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Reply #22 - October 21, 2014, 05:20 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on October 20, 2014, 11:06 AM
and says again Well dear Paul the Apostle from Tarsus., forget "VERY CLEAR" ..nothing is clear to me., neither your opening post is clear nor any of your posts are clear to me. So to make it clear., you got to tell me more..

1). you have to tell me/give me the link of where you heard that "in Islam music is haram" and what are Islamic scriptural basis of such utterances.

2), you have to tel me whether Paul the Apostle from Tarsus. was CIRCUMCISED OR NOT...

Hmm.. eighth day ....eighth day... Damn.. stupid me eight is an important number ., Let me change my lottery ticket numbers and add some numbers 8s in to ticket...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1eXnKttHOk

Well, it's something I read earlier on this forum so I sought clarification. And, as far as I know, Paul was circumcised but opposed it as a tenant for Christianity.
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Reply #23 - October 21, 2014, 09:23 AM

Almost everything is haram (even looking out of a window if ur a woman). Until you get to heaven. Then you can do what ever crap takes your fancy. I'm gonna look out of Lots of windows when I get there, lol. Or you could just be worm food in the ground. Do any of the muslim countries have The X Factor?
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Reply #24 - October 21, 2014, 09:37 AM

Quote from: mini-me on October 21, 2014, 09:23 AM
Do any of the muslim countries have The X Factor?

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Reply #25 - October 21, 2014, 10:04 AM

Saudi has one. Women aren't allowed and the men have to write poems about allah and mo if I recall correctly.

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Reply #26 - October 21, 2014, 10:21 AM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 21, 2014, 10:04 AM
Saudi has one. Women aren't allowed and the men have to write poems about allah and mo if I recall correctly.

Too bad. There is a lot of talent in Saudi Arabia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1yeZPU7aoI

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Reply #27 - October 21, 2014, 11:58 AM

There are countless of "talent" shows in the Arab world. The ones I'm aware of (and which I have occasionally watched) are games that group together contestants from all kinds of countries, Saudi included. They're basically the same as their American/English counterparts, except they sing in Arabic most of the time.

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Reply #28 - October 21, 2014, 01:22 PM

Music..Dance .. are the essential part of every culture irrespective of their religions and religious background ., In fact I say The life is the product of Music and Dance of the nature without which there is no life...

To say Muslims folks born in Islam had no dance.. no music is wrong. It is only 19th century IDIOTS OF ISLAM putting their heads in to the fucking sands of Arabia and ass up in to the sky say such nonsense and made the music and dance as haram

The Iraqi Maqam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrqQKL99eo

Persian Traditional Music Shokouh Afaghi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92mVoinVUcg

"Soheylo Soha" Performance of Vesal ensemble ... Kurdish Music in Denmark..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlApygEM4RM

Sahran Alayya- -Bellydance Music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEFTeH570SA

And I need not say anything about Muslims and their music/dance from Indian subcontinent

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Reply #29 - October 21, 2014, 01:59 PM

I see. Very good vids.
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