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     Reply #4350 - September 28, 2018, 01:07 PM
    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 28, 2018, 12:20 PM
    Dear Altara - I know what the text said, haha....................

    how  are you doing  Mahgraye..  laughing is the best medicine  and i know you have read/interacted with many scholars who are experts of early Quran manuscripts .,  and I wish you could writs something on that subject in these folders..

    1.   Quran - Both Altered And Changed

    2. Birmingham Quran Manuscript

    3. What Is The Oldest Complete Quran?

    Even literature references on those subjects from you ((without any word of your own ))  will be very valuable  additions to the folders and readers.. and when time permits i am going to move some of your relevant posts on those subjects from this folder to the above folders ...  this "Qur'anic studies today" is huge and difficult to search...

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4351 - September 28, 2018, 01:20 PM
    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 27, 2018, 10:53 AM
    It seems that Marc S's comment was in line with I initially wrote. All this back and forth in vain. Ibn al-Zubayr was not a Jew. He was from Iraq (or Mecca).  Not sure were this Jew stuff came from.

    where did you get that from dear Mahgraye ?..  uncle Wiki??
     
    He is from Iraq or Mecca??

    THERE WAS NO IRAQ  COUNTRY AND THERE WAS MO MECCA  during his time dear  Mahgraye
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4352 - September 28, 2018, 01:20 PM
    Sure. I actually have recently written a short essay that is perfect for the two first groups, as it deals with the “preservation” of the Quran.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4353 - September 28, 2018, 01:21 PM
    Of course, there was an Iraq. As for Mecca, that is based on traditional sources and I wrote that for comprehensiveness. And as I said, there was a Mecca at the time of Ibn al-Zubayr.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4354 - September 28, 2018, 01:43 PM
    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 28, 2018, 01:21 PM
    Of course, there was an Iraq. As for Mecca, that is based on traditional sources and I wrote that for comprehensiveness. And as I said, there was a Mecca at the time of Ibn al-Zubayr.

    well ...as a place it was there....... whole earth was there... is there .. and it will be there another 5 billion years dear Mahgraye...

    BUT THERE WAS NO IRAQ COUNTRY AS IT IS THERE TODAY which came to existence after 2nd world war.. off course there was name "Iraq"  in Arabic language to  some  place like Mecca/Becca.. whatever   Cheesy

    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 28, 2018, 01:20 PM
    Sure. I actually have recently written a short essay that is perfect for the two first groups, as it deals with the “preservation” of the Quran.

    well that will be nice to read  .. Is it a blog??   or are you sending it to some journal??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4355 - September 28, 2018, 02:33 PM
    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 28, 2018, 01:21 PM
    .................And as I said, there was a Mecca at the time of Ibn al-Zubayr.............

    well i have problem with both of them  and time line history dear Mahgraye ...  So give me some study links of those two words early Islam..

    In your world of early Islamic history., was  Ibn al-Zubayr. a Sahabi of  Prophet of Islam??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4356 - September 28, 2018, 02:37 PM
    He a Caliph. Whether he was a Companions, I cannot say.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4357 - September 28, 2018, 02:38 PM
    As for my text, I will maybe put it up here and possibly on my blog.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4358 - September 28, 2018, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 28, 2018, 12:20 PM
    Dear Altara - I know what the text said, haha. The text emphasizes the importance of Jerusalem and the Quran's familiarity with Jewish tradition, and so I thought that I might strengthen your claim, since the early Muslim's seem to have had Jerusalem as key target-

     
    The Quran  emphasizes only the Bible via the "Géhenne" Wink .I do think (at all) that the early Muslim's have had Jerusalem as key target Wink
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4359 - September 28, 2018, 03:38 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on September 28, 2018, 01:20 PM

    He is from Iraq or Mecca?? 


    Iraq  (Iraq is the actual "Iraq".).
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4360 - September 28, 2018, 08:20 PM
    Quote from: Altara on September 28, 2018, 03:38 PM
    Iraq  (Iraq is the actual "Iraq".).

    Well Altara

    I know nothing
    I see nothing
    I hear nothing

    So Mecca is in Iraq or Muhammad Prophet of Islam is Iraq?  So Who is from Iraq in Islam??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4361 - September 28, 2018, 08:50 PM
    Altara - What is your assessment of the scriptio inferior of the Sanaa palimpsest? Do you consider the variants to be minor or major?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4362 - September 28, 2018, 09:38 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on September 28, 2018, 08:20 PM
    Well Altara

    I know nothing
    I see nothing
    I hear nothing

    So Mecca is in Iraq or Muhammad Prophet of Islam is Iraq?  So Who is from Iraq in Islam??


    All is from Iraq  (Iraq is the actual "Iraq" until Edessa now Urfa in Turkey.) in Islam. Meaning that the Quranic corpus appeared there first. I just say appeared, not necessarily composed.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4363 - September 28, 2018, 09:38 PM
    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 28, 2018, 08:50 PM
    Altara - What is your assessment of the scriptio inferior of the Sanaa palimpsest? Do you consider the variants to be minor or major?


    I consider them strange.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4364 - September 28, 2018, 10:05 PM
    I mean, maybe a little bit. They are minor.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4365 - September 28, 2018, 11:07 PM
    Even very strange. Many words are replaced by synonyms. As if the words were lacking in the exemplar...  and were replaced thanks to the context. Haha!
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4366 - September 28, 2018, 11:10 PM
    Yeah. But hey are indeed minor. Could be a student who wrote it in a circle.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4367 - September 28, 2018, 11:11 PM
    He who at the time of the discovery was entrusted with their analysis, Dr. Gerd-Rüdiger Puin, emeritus Lecturer at the University of Saarland (Germany), has conceded that the variants are indeed minor and “do not touch the Qurʾān itself”, but are instead orthographic, dealing with mere “differences in the way words are spelled.” Puin gives the following examples: Ibrhīm next to Ibrhm; Qurān next to Qrn; and Sīmāhum next to Sīmhum.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4368 - September 29, 2018, 08:43 AM
    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 28, 2018, 11:10 PM
    Yeah. But hey are indeed minor. Could be a student who wrote it in a circle.


    Entrust a student parchment? A very rich student then... Improbable.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4369 - September 29, 2018, 08:43 AM
    Quote from: Mahgraye on September 28, 2018, 11:11 PM
    He who at the time of the discovery was entrusted with their analysis, Dr. Gerd-Rüdiger Puin, emeritus Lecturer at the University of Saarland (Germany), has conceded that the variants are indeed minor and “do not touch the Qurʾān itself”, but are instead orthographic, dealing with mere “differences in the way words are spelled.” Puin gives the following examples: Ibrhīm next to Ibrhm; Qurān next to Qrn; and Sīmāhum next to Sīmhum.


    Many words are replaced by synonyms. As if the words were lacking in the exemplar...  and were replaced thanks to the context. Haha!
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4370 - September 29, 2018, 04:42 PM
    Not sure. Does not make sense, at least not for every variant.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4371 - September 29, 2018, 06:12 PM
    Quote from: Altara on September 28, 2018, 09:38 PM
    ............All is from Iraq .............


    All is from Iraq says ...Altara  ., And I have no reason to question that ., but many well educated and under educated Academics  have forgotten the real history and they start their history from Caliphs..  well let me watch this....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7oNqC8g-ao  

    That map in the above tube at minutes 3.00 says a lot about the land..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4372 - September 29, 2018, 06:48 PM
    But it's not the people you see in 3.50 who have composed the Quran...  Afro
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4373 - September 29, 2018, 08:42 PM
    Yeah. Parts were written by a group of literati.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4374 - September 29, 2018, 09:10 PM
    Not parts. All.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4375 - September 29, 2018, 09:12 PM
    Yeah. Wanted to be carefull.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4376 - September 29, 2018, 09:33 PM
    Thread: https://mobile.twitter.com/cobbpasha/status/1044699095368179715
    Quote
    Honest question: is there not good reason to suspect that at least some of these amazing early Arabic inscriptions coming from KSA and mentioning Companions etc., are forgeries?

    Which side are you on?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4377 - September 29, 2018, 09:48 PM
    Thanks, Zeca. The answers are good and relevant.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #4378 - September 29, 2018, 10:07 PM
    Interesting thread. And nihil nove sub sole. I note that because it is Cobb who pose the question, the traditional aggressivity and despise of Anthony has disappeared. The king is nude  ; they are incapable to discern what are forgeries or not, as all is on the web now as someone said.
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     Reply #4379 - September 29, 2018, 10:17 PM
    What do you think?
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