Mecca:
The only mention of Mecca in Quran is 48:24. I did a new check in my list of oldest and the verse is mentioned in two (according to Corpus Coranicum):
- Chester Beatty I ( C14 610-660)
- Dam 1-29.1 (C14 640-660) (look Altara, a window of only 20years!)
But coincidence or not, the part of the verse mentioning Mecca is damaged or gone. There are no pictures available, only the transliteration done by Corpus Coranicum.
Mecca:
I also think it is a coincidence that the Mecca part of the verse is gone/damaged. But materially, Mecca is not in these manuscripts...
thank you mundi., it is mind boggling., you are the best for checking .,
So it is all about
corpuscoranicum..... and what we have now in hand is all that
The Topkapı Manuscript ... So we have whole book all 114 chapters with all those 6230 or so verses in that Topkapı Manuscript.,
DID I GET THAT RIGHT?
did those Tweeting Historians @Tweetistorian or some one write any peer reviewed publication on that? they say at
https://mobile.twitter.com/Tweetistorian/status/1190773595246596101Great question! The vast majority of the Quranic manuscripts we have are undated, so this is a difficult question to answer. The earliest basically complete Qurans is the Topkapı Quran edited by Altıkulaç; But it's undated, (somewhere in the 8th c.?). As for absolutely dated ones
@Vakil_e_Roaya Nov 2 Replying to @Tweetistorian
Thanks for this thread! If this is "the most complete early manuscript" at 85%, then what is earliest complete manuscript?
so dear mundi., is that true that Topkapı Quran is missing some 15% of verses from the present Quran what we have?
Now I understand why you always go to that
islamic-awareness.org as quick reference ..
Did this Qur'an belong to the third caliph ʿUthmān? The answer is no. There are good number of other Qur'ans [such as the ones at St. Petersburg, Samarqand, Istanbul and two at Cairo, viz., at al-Hussein mosque and Dār al-Kutub al-Misriyya] having at times turned up in different parts of the Islamic world,
almost all purporting to show the traces of the blood of the third caliph ʿUthmān upon certain pages, and thus the genuine ʿUthmānic Qur'an, the imām, which he was reading at the time of his death.
Moreover, the manuscript clearly shows the script, illumination and marking of vowels that are from the Umayyad times (i.e., late 1st century / early 2nd century of hijra).[2] Furthermore, this manuscript was also briefly discussed by Ṣalāḥ al-Dīn al-Munajjid who did not consider it to be from the time of caliph ʿUthmān
Hmm.. they have some traces of blood of caliph ʿUthmān as a proof ., that is what they write ...I wonder some Chinese guy could clone that guy in near future., anyways let me read this
https://bible-quran.com/quran-manuscripts-copyist-errors/with all this mess I think Altara ideas are certainly worth pursuing
with best wishes
yeezevee
Topic: Qur'anic studies today