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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #90 - November 30, 2014, 06:53 PM

    What is the Koran? (1999 article from The Atlantic) - Toby Lester
    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/99jan/koran.htm
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #91 - November 30, 2014, 07:27 PM

    I htink it'll be interesting to write how Muslims react to some of these articles. Here is  a response to Toby Lester's article cited above:

    http://www.alhewar.com/AzizahAtlantic.htm

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #92 - November 30, 2014, 07:50 PM

    Here's a more thoughtful than usual Muslim response to Tom Holland's book and revisionist scholarship in general:

    The Shadow of the Scroll: Reconstructing Islam's Origins - Sameer Rahim
    http://www.nottinghilleditions.com/uploads/essaywinners/NHEessayRAHIM.pdf

    Sameer Rahim on Twitter:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/sameerahim
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #93 - November 30, 2014, 08:01 PM

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    Brill's most downloaded articles from
    Q3 2014 in the subject area of
    Middle East & Islamic Studies
    Free access until 31 January 2015

    http://track.brill.nl/w.aspx?j=310882493&m=26E3DB8EEA9B4E4895B6455587B7BA73
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #94 - November 30, 2014, 11:13 PM

    I fonly someone could get access to this:

    http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=2994132&fileId=S0020743800027240

    Apparently Jurji Zaidan  published al-Ta’rikh al-'Alamm (History of the World), a rather thin history of Asia and Africa with a focus on the Middle East. Still, it is cited as one of the first non-Islamic histories to be written in Arabic, marking a turning point in the development of modern Arab education. Before, the entirety of Arab history had been recorded by the ulama, the religious scholars of the Caliphate. This was the first attempt at recording a non-religious version of Middle Eastern history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurji_Zaydan


    Here is that document!
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #95 - November 30, 2014, 11:30 PM

    What is the Koran? (1999 article from The Atlantic) - Toby Lester
    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/99jan/koran.htm

     

    I thought all of these are supposed to be posted in the sticky thread ?

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #96 - December 01, 2014, 12:11 PM

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    I thought all of these are supposed to be posted in the sticky thread ?


    Feel free to add them there and help to curate it  Smiley

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #97 - December 01, 2014, 03:42 PM

    I thought all of these are supposed to be posted in the sticky thread ?

    If no one else posts them there I'll go through this thread at some point and copy the links over.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #98 - December 01, 2014, 10:17 PM

    An interesting project by a specialist in Iran in late antiquity - but as yet a very long way off the Islamic period:

    History of Iran podcasts: http://iranologie.com/podcast/

    .

    Academic articles by Khodadad Rezakhani: https://fu-berlin.academia.edu/KhodadadRezakhani
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #99 - December 02, 2014, 12:45 AM

    That Sameer Rahim guy is indeed very thoughtful and knowledgeable, an impressive article from him.  Contrast that with the bonkers response by al-Hibri to the Atlantic article.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #100 - December 03, 2014, 04:51 PM

    Philosophy in the Islamic World - series of 76 podcasts by Peter Adamson
    http://www.historyofphilosophy.net/islamic-world
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #101 - December 09, 2014, 07:26 PM

    Articles from the Journal of Arabic and Islamic Studies
    http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/jais/volume/index.htm
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #102 - December 09, 2014, 09:03 PM

    The fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of Islam - Tom Holland
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/mar/30/fall-roman-empire-rise-islam
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #103 - December 09, 2014, 10:52 PM

    The fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of Islam - Tom Holland
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/mar/30/fall-roman-empire-rise-islam

    Thanks for that.

    Intriguing parallels between Islamic and Arthurian legend.

    Why am I not surprised that Tom Holland appears to be a sci-fi geek?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #104 - December 12, 2014, 07:12 PM

    The rise of Islam (extract from Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam) - Patricia Crone
    http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/med/crone.asp
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #105 - December 14, 2014, 08:32 PM

    History of Byzantium podcast episode 54 - Why did the Arabs win? part 4: the conquest society
    http://thehistoryofbyzantium.com/2014/12/12/episode-59-why-did-the-arabs-win-part-4-the-conquest-society/
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #106 - December 15, 2014, 02:03 PM

    Thanks for the link Zeca. I started watching the whole series. I started listening both the Byzantium and Roman series.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #107 - December 15, 2014, 02:13 PM

    On Arthur, might early Arthurian tales have reached Baghdad?

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    Arthur, a Celtic king born of deceit and adultery, grew to become one of the most famous rulers of Britain. He was a warrior, a knight and a king who killed giants, witches and monsters and led a band of heroes on many daring adventures. He is known for his Knights of the Round Table and for uniting the peoples of his land. Even though his end was tragic, he is still known and celebrated all over the world today. His story is painted on the halls of the British Parliament.


    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/search-myths-heroes/

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #108 - December 15, 2014, 02:20 PM

    This comments how the quran repeats many times how things are marvellous!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/the-earliest-known-arabic-short-stories-in-the-world-have-just-been-translated-into-english-for-the-first-time-9859833.html

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    The Ottoman sultan Selim the Grim – having defeated the Mamluks in two major battles in Syria and Egypt – entered Cairo in 1517.

    He celebrated his victory by watching the crucifixion of the last Mamluk sultan at the Zuwayla Gate. Then he presided over the systematic looting of Cairo’s cultural treasures. Among that loot was the content of most of Cairo’s great libraries. Arabic manuscripts were shipped to Istanbul and distributed among the city’s mosques. This is probably how the manuscript of Tales of the Marvellous and News of the Strange ended up in the library of the great mosque of Ayasofya.

    There it lay unread and gathering dust, a ragged manuscript that no one even knew existed, until 1933 when Hellmut Ritter, a German orientalist, stumbled across it and translated it into his mother tongue. An Arabic edition was belatedly printed in 1956.

    In the 1990s, when I was working on my book The Arabian Nights: A Companion, I came across references to this story collection and, since it sounded very like The Arabian Nights (or, to give it its correct title, The Thousand and One Nights), I thought I ought to have a look at it. The stories in Tales of the Marvellous were indeed as fantastic and exotic as those in the Nights, and I felt as other scholars might feel if they had come across a missing part of The Canterbury Tales or a lost play by Shakespeare.

    The stories are very old, more than 1,000 years old, yet most of them are quite new to us. Some years later, I suggested to Malcolm Lyons, the translator of a recent edition of the Nights, that having completed that mighty task, he might consider translating Tales of the Marvellous. He sounded unenthusiastic and I thought no more about it. Then, last summer, he emailed to let me know that he had completed the translation. Now it has been published, meaning these stories can be read in English for the first time.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #109 - December 15, 2014, 02:23 PM

    Impressive how Islam protected and handed safely on ancient literature.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #110 - December 15, 2014, 05:56 PM

    A very interesting article that I'd overlooked before:

    The First-Century Concept of "Hiǧra" - Patricia Crone
    https://www.hs.ias.edu/files/Crone_Articles/Crone_First_Century_Concept_of_Higra.pdf
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #111 - December 15, 2014, 06:06 PM


    Method and Theory in the Study of Islamic Origins
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SxPyHsFzNMIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
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    This volume deals with the methodological and theoretical issues of the study of Islamic origins. Each of the twelve articles examines a different aspect of Islamic origins: early Islamic history including the life of the Prophet, the Sunna and ḥadīth, tafsīr and the Qur'ān, and the rise of Islamic law. Both sceptical (or revisionist) scholars and sanguine (or traditionalist) scholars examine and employ the various contemporary theories on the development of Islam in the first 3 centuries A.H. In so doing, they seek to exemplify the sources and methodologies used to support these theories and to discuss their relative merits.


    The link is for the Google preview, but this includes the full text of Chase Robinson's Reconstructing Early Islam: Truth and Consequences, among other articles.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #112 - December 15, 2014, 08:05 PM

    A very interesting article that I'd overlooked before:

    The First-Century Concept of "Hiǧra" - Patricia Crone
    https://www.hs.ias.edu/files/Crone_Articles/Crone_First_Century_Concept_of_Higra.pdf


    That article is phenomenal and I can't believe I hadn't read it either.  Many thanks!
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #113 - December 15, 2014, 10:28 PM

    I've just finished reading the Chase Robinson article and it's an important one as well.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #114 - December 16, 2014, 09:29 AM

    There is possibly a communality between religions that needs further exploring - to do with the journey, the leaving and arriving, who you do and don't travel with, the conquering of the other, the creation of self and community identity.

    What was one of Homer's stories called again?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #115 - December 17, 2014, 12:37 AM

    A fascinating new article by the neotraditionalist Nicolai Sinai (allied with Sadeghi/Hoyland/Neuwirth) on the date of the Qur'an's composition.

    http://www.academia.edu/7372306/_When_did_the_consonantal_skeleton_of_the_Quran_reach_closure_forthcoming_in_Bulletin_of_the_School_of_Oriental_and_African_Studies_77_2014_

    I think Sinai does far too much special pleading here, particularly in trying to diminish the strength of the tradition when it comes to the role of al-Hajj in compiling the Qur'an (pp. 15-18); if those extensive and comparatively early accounts are unreliable in the way he contends, then Muslim tradition has essentially failed to accurately record *any* information about the Qur'an's compilation.  So why, having shown that Muslim tradition totally botched the relatively late history of the Qur'an's compilation, would one presume that Muslim tradition nonetheless got the earliest and least documented part (Mohammed's own life) right?  The argument is backwards.  If the traditional accounts about al-Hajj and his role in Qur'anic composition are cast aside or redefined away in the way Sinai does, then we must admit that Muslim tradition has preserved essentially no reliable information at all about the Qur'an's early compilation.

    But despite his unjustifiable adherence to the traditional accounts, his article is great reading overall, and I don't really disagree with the central argument that the main Qur'anic texts were compiled relatively early, around the 660s or so, with relatively minor reworkings and new shorter surahs being added thereafter.  Otherwise there is no way to square the Qur'an's conservative and deeply composite nature with a later drafting.  Why so few references to MHMD?  Why only one reference to Makkah?  Why so little clarity, and so many textual problems?  These puzzles are inconceivable if the Qur'anic texts were largely written after the Second Fitna, when you would expect them to be chock full of MHMD this and Islam that; only small interpolations and revisions could have been involved at that point.  Sinai's arguments about the weight of Islamic tradition are borderline useless, but his text-critical arguments and linguistic arguments (pp. 42-51) carry the day for me in terms of a relatively early composition of the Qur'anic texts and fairly conservative redactions and interpolations thereafter.

    Of great interest is Sinai's discussion of the critical historical fact that the Qur'an was probably written relatively early, yet there is strong evidence that almost nobody paid much attention to the Qur'an until relatively late, at which time much of the text was no longer well understood.  There is a gap, in other words, between its codification (650s/660s) and its canonization (700-720).  Sinai attempts to give some explanations for this, focusing on different communities being involved.  They are far from compelling, but he is on the right track!  Much better explanations for the peripheral nature of the Qur'an until Abd al Malik's era are required.

    Overall, I think Sinai's efforts to bend over backwards to support the traditional Muslim accounts of the Qur'an's composition are not methodologically justifiable.  Why would we trust accounts about Qur'anic composition way back in the 620s/630s, when it has been demonstrated that those same traditional accounts got it badly wrong about what happened in the 650s/660s and 700s/720s?  Certainly that approach would not be accepted in critical NT studies, or any other field of religious history.  But I admire his thorough and careful discussion of so many of the key issues, and he makes many valid points that are surely correct.  A must read overall, IMO.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #116 - December 19, 2014, 07:20 PM

    History of Byzantium podcast episode 54 - Why did the Arabs win? part 4: the conquest society
    http://thehistoryofbyzantium.com/2014/12/12/episode-59-why-did-the-arabs-win-part-4-the-conquest-society/

    Thanks for the link Zeca. I started watching the whole series. I started listening both the Byzantium and Roman series.

    Blog post on history podcasts by Peter Adamson (of the history of philosophy podcasts):
    http://www.historyofphilosophy.net/history-podcasts
    I hadn't come across them before finding the history of Byzantium podcasts but it seems to be one of those up and coming genres thrown up by the internet. As Peter Adamson says: "...unfortunately no one has yet launched a History of Islam podcast, which someone really should..."

    History podcasters directory: http://historypodcasters.com/category/directory/
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #117 - December 24, 2014, 03:35 PM

    Misspelling Muhammad 2: Revenge of the Teth - Ian David Morris
    http://www.iandavidmorris.com/misspelling-muhammad-2-revenge-of-the-teth/
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #118 - December 27, 2014, 02:41 PM

    I'll slowly wade through this treasure chest of stuff but that Tom Holland piece is a classic. The fall of Rome, Foundation and Dune, Mo = Arthur, that's a crazy ramble that actually makes sense. Muslim writers kept attributing ever more miraculous deeds to Mo without a shred of evidence because, I suppose, it made a good yarn. The accretion of more and more far-out stuff reminds me of the story of Odysseus and his journeys.

    Also, and this keeps popping up, what caused that gap between most of the Qur'an being compiled in the early 600's to its codification as a holy text under empire? That caused all the mistranslations of the rasm and subsequent headaches. To me, it seems that the Umayyads used the Qur'an because it was the most convenient thing they had, without realizing how little they understood it.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #119 - January 13, 2015, 09:41 PM

    Some thoughts by Ian David Morris on Twitter
    https://mobile.twitter.com/iandavidmorris

    Quote
    Honesty: There are plenty of interesting things I'd like to blog about, but I'm afraid of how they would be misused by racists and 'phobes.

    It's not enough to get my facts right, because facts have resonance; they feed into discourses beyond my control. Facts can be weaponised.

    @syedfa14 'Truth', eh? I don't know about that! Certainly we're much freer to read the sources in novel ways, for which I'm very grateful.

    .@syedfa14 We don't just follow the evidence, though. We make choices to research and to present certain issues. Choices are political.

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