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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3570 - August 29, 2018, 01:34 PM

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    let me put a question in a different way to you guys w.r.t those Old Manuscripts of Quran vs present book.

      how much % of of present Quran can we see in those old manuscripts?

    Yeezevee - Over 90 %.



    Hellooo  ...  Altara....mundi... Zaotar...... zeca  and Mark S   How are you guys  doing? glad to read all of you  in this forum...

    I wonder whether you guys read/compared those Old Quranic Manuscripts (7th 9th century??)  with the modern book ? 

    and I appreciate  the answer from any one of you guys  to that question dear friends.  and I would greatly appreciate if one of guys who are expert in French  could translate bit of this along with nuggets in it

    http://blog.sami-aldeeb.com/2014/05/21/lislamisme-raconte-a-ma-fille-de-hamid-zanaz-aux-editions-tatamis/

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3571 - August 29, 2018, 02:11 PM

    You mistake Gnosis and Gnosticism.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnose

    You miss the point. You asked if Gnosticism is taught in the Quran. I wanted to highlight one Shia belief that you cannot find in the Quran so you cannot use this argument "The Quran doesn't teach it". And yes the Shia 12 imams dogma does include some Gnosis (not Gnosticism).  

    You again miss the point. Shia tradition highlight the fact the Quran was much bigger than today's Quran so that might explain why some current islamic practices are not in it and therefore the argument "this teaching is not in the Quran" is invalid.
    You miss the point the author of this verse wants to raise. I suggest you look into the works done on the word Hanif.

    https://books.google.fr/books?id=YEDlv8aouHUC&pg=PA315&lpg=PA315&dq=meaning+of+hanifiyya&source=bl&ots=8wttBFfzvt&sig=X5t7YHrjT9sldpIUUiqQbatSapA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN2aLh25DdAhVozoUKHU20CGQQ6AEwBHoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=meaning%20of%20hanifiyya&f=false
    From the people who wrote the islamic story.


    Let me think that the jury's still out on this one.

                                                             The real issue is more who was the Muhammad on the Bishapur coin in 684. I never said that he might be the Muhammad from the islamic tradition because that Muhammad was not the Mahdi.

    Problem is the Abassids, who slaughtered the Umayyads, wrote the islamic story so Muhammad ibn al Hanifiyya pledging alliance to the Umayyads doesn't help the Abassids agenda, who anyway didn't give a damn as their murdering of Abu Muslim showed.


    1/  I miss nothing. The normal appelation of Gnose/Gnosticism is used for what I describe. (For one good reason : these people call themselves "Gnostics".)  And not to Sunni/Shii beliefs whatever they are. Never the Sunni/Shii call themselves "Gnostics".
    De Smet, Amir Moezzi, are "Shii specialist" only,  if they name "gnose" something of the Shii, they talking nonsense as they use a word already used for other things. Moreover they  do not  say  that the word "gnose" they use has nothing to see with the real Gnose/ Gnosticism of the 2nd c. It is therefore confusing  because they know that people will see a link with the "real" Gnose and Sunni/Shii beliefs whereas there is no  doctrinal link at all. Moreover one cannot see to what they make allusion when they attribute "gnose" to the Shii."Gnose" of what? All of this is nonsense. Same for Raymond Dequin : he speaks of "Gnose" which one?  It is nonsense...  The main use of Gnose/Gnosticism is used for what I have already describe and not at all about Muslims beliefs. Just to see the topic Gnose/Gnosticism in academia : nothing of Islam there and it is logic... Not one scholar of the Gnose/Gnosticism field speaks of the Shii Gnose. Not one.
    There is no difference between Gnose/Gnosticism. The words are used indifferently by scholars of this field    
    (see Scopello in akadem.org, she states it clearly...)  
     2/ Shia belief are elaboration of their own minds from the Quranic Vulgate text, nothing else.
    3/ Practices of the Shii  are their own pratices drawn from their own interpretation of the Quranic Vulgate Quran. None Ali's Quran is attested nowhere except in Shii sources.  What "gnosis" teaching they use? From where it come? This "gnosis" teaching? Heaven or their own mind? From their own mind. It is bullshit to name this "gnose". Each group are different in their comprehension of the text. Therefore Ali has written the Quran then?
    4/ I know the hanif stuff. Explain to me when the Christians say that Abraham is Christian? In the NT? Where?  You have source on that or you believe that what says the Quran is true? Don't give link, respond yourself to my question Like I do.
    5/ Of course it helps. Read Borrut on the Umayyad/Abbassid stuff.

  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3572 - August 29, 2018, 04:28 PM

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    1/  I miss nothing. The normal appelation of Gnose/Gnosticism is used for what I describe. (For one good reason : these people call themselves "Gnostics".)  And not to Sunni/Shii beliefs whatever they are. Never the Sunni/Shii call themselves "Gnostics".


    We won't agree so I will stop here ; it is not a big deal.

    Quote
    2/ Shia belief are elaboration of their own minds from the Quranic Vulgate text, nothing else.


    I guess our main difference is here because you see all acts of islamic faith coming from the Quran while I think it is not the case. This then prevents you from looking elsewhere.

    Quote
    4/ I know the hanif stuff. Explain to me when the Christians say that Abraham is Christian? In the NT? Where?  You have source on that or you believe that what says the Quran is true?


    The author of this verse doesn't claim Abraham was a christian. It just states that Jews and Christians have gone down the wrong path in their religious beliefs and cannot claim to be the rightful heirs/children of Abraham.  Only those who remained faithful to that heritage can claim it, and obviously the author of this verse thinks he belongs to those who can claim that heritage.

    Quote
    5/ Of course it helps. Read Borrut on the Umayyad/Abbassid stuff.


    I will, thanks.






  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3573 - August 29, 2018, 04:36 PM


    Do you need   more of such sayings from her Mark S?? do you know who she..........The Fatima bint Muhammad..........was dear MarkUS??


    I thought, as you mention the name Muhammad, you were referring to men as Muhammad used to dress in Aisha's clothes to receive the revelation.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


    Quote
    .So  how many wives and how many kids does our Caliph Ali Ibn Abi Talib had  with the name "Muhammad" ?
    Answer me dear Mark S   Cheesy Cheesy


    Tradition, like for Muhammad, isn't clear about his number of wives and kids so I cannot answer. It anyway doesn't matter as it is totally fake. You will have noticed that, like Muhammad, Ali is monogamous for quite some time, then his wife dies and he turns into a polygamous fanatic.

    Quote
    Good Question and good answer  and .....Marc S  read his bible..... BUT HE DID NOT READ HIS QURAN ...lol...


    It does refer to Israel so you need to read the Bible to understand, not the islamic propaganda written by persians.

  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3574 - August 29, 2018, 06:15 PM

    Yeez,

    Quote
    let me put a question in a different way to you guys w.r.t those Old Manuscripts of Quran vs present book.

      how much % of of present Quran can we see in those old manuscripts?


    We had this topic before. There is a list on the islamic awareness site. By end of 1st C we have extant copies of more than 90% of Quran.

    My remark is that seen the "skewed frequency distribution"of the finds, the book was not complete in the beginning. And there are small gaps too. I just dont understand that the scholars just accept "Quran was complete in beginning. Evidence points to it was not.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3575 - August 29, 2018, 06:25 PM

    I thought, as you mention the name Muhammad, you were referring to men as Muhammad used to dress in Aisha's clothes to receive the revelation.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


    Are you trying to fight with me  Markus Aurelius ??

    Nooooooooooo ... The reason you guys and ISLAMIC FAITH HEADS says same thing is because you guys do not know meaning of the word "Muhammad"., It could be used to any one and every one irrespective of  gender and faith .. Muhammad means "Praise worthy person ".. That is all what it means  ..  nothing more and nothing less,.....

    Do you have a faith MarkUS?? DO YOU BELIEVE IN SUPERNATURAL GOD   "THE ENTITY THAT CONTROLS EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE  dear MarkUS?

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    MarkUS: Tradition, like for Muhammad, isn't clear about his number of wives and kids so I cannot answer. It anyway doesn't matter as it is totally fake. You will have noticed that, like Muhammad, Ali is monogamous for quite some time, then his wife dies and he turns into a polygamous fanatic.

    No.. No.. just say .... "you don't know"

    Those who are familiar with  "Ali ibn Abi Talib,  the alleged  cousin and alleged    son-in-law of alleged Prophet of Islam" know well about his kids and wives .,    here is the answer to that question  for you

    Quote
    1 - Hazrat Fatimah Bin Mohammad [May Allah be pleased with her]:

    Hassan, Hussain, Zainab ul Kubra and Umme Kulthum [she became wife of Hazrat Omar (May Allah be pleased with him and all those who were mentioned earlier.

    2 - Umm-ul-Bunian Bin Haram Bin Kalabia [she was related with Shimar Bin Zil Joshan (the alleged Criminal of Karabala){Ref: Jumhartul Ansab by Ibn Hazm}] who was the daughter of Hazam b. Khalid. Hadrat Ali had five sons from her, namely: Abdullah, Jafar, Abbas, Othman, and Umar. All of them were martyred in the battle of Karbala along with Hadhrat Hussain [May Allah be pleased with him].

    3 - Laila Bin Masood Bint Khalid Nehshaliya Tameema who was the daughter of Masud. She was the mother of two sons, namely Ubaidullah and Abu Bakr. Both of them were martyred in Karbala.

    4 - Asma who was the daughter of Umais. She was in the first instance married to Hadrat Jafar, an elder brother of Hadrat Ali. On the death of Hadrat Jafar, Hadrat Abu Bakr married her. After the death of Hadrat Abu Bakr she married Hadrat Ali. She had to sons from Hadrat Ali, namely: Yahya and Muhammad Al Asghar who martyred in Karbala.

    5 - Umama  [her mother Zainab was the daughter of Prophet Mohammad - PBUH]d/o of Abi Al Aa's. Her son from Hadrat Ali bore the name of Muhammad Awsat.

    6 - Khaula Bin Jafariya was the daughter of Jafar Hanfiyah. She was the mother of the son known as Muhammad b. Hanfiyah aka Mohammad Al Akbar.

    7 - Sehba Bin Rabia Taghlibiya who was the daughter of Rabiah. She gave birth to a son Umar, in the daughter Ruqiya.

    8 - Umm Saeed Bin Urwa Bin Masood Thaqeefa who was a daughter of Urwa. She bore Hadrat Ali three daughters, namely: Umm-ul-Hasan, Ramlatul Kubra and Rumia.

    9 - Mukhbita Bin Amral Qais Bin Adi Al Kalbiya Muhyat was a daughter of the famous Arab poet Imra-ul-Qais. She gave birth to a daughter who expired in infancy.

    Hadrat Ali married nine wives in all including Hadrat Fatima. The number of wives at a time however did not exceed four. He had a few slave girls of whom Humia and Umm Shuaib bore him 12 daughters, Nafisa, Zainab, Ruqiya, Umm-ul-Karaam, Humaira, Umm Salma, Sughra, Khadija, Umm Hani, Umm Kulthum Jamana and Maimuna. Hadrat Ali was, in all, the father of 15 sons and 18 daughters. [total = 33 children]


    Quote
    MarkUS:  It does refer to Israel so you need to read the Bible to understand, not the islamic propaganda written by persians.

    Hu!  where do you see Israel in that surah ..   MarkUS read that surah

    Quote
    By the figs and the olives
     And by Mount Sinai.   
    This city made secure  
    Verily.. We  indeed created man in the best of moulds
    Then We render him the lowest of the low.   
    Ohyee... save those who believe and do righteous deeds.
     They shall have a reward without end
     Then what  causes you to deny the judgement day?
     Is not Allah the Best of all judges?


     THAT IS PUNISHMENT FOR YOU  ..    Cheesy   now ball is in your court ...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3576 - August 29, 2018, 07:40 PM

    Yeez,

    We had this topic before. There is a list on the islamic awareness site. By end of 1st C we have extant copies of more than 90% of Quran.

     I am looking for published work in peer reviewed journals  from educational institutes  on that issue..  that is a very important subject to  leave it to faith heads  and bloggers

    Quote
    My remark is that seen the "skewed frequency distribution"of the finds, the book was not complete in the beginning. And there are small gaps too. I just dont understand that the scholars just accept "Quran was complete in beginning. Evidence points to it was not.

    that is fine., because it is their selective extracted data/ information..

    let me ask the question again  with an example.  So at this link
    https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=27568.msg879576#msg879576

    i put all 73 verses from Surah of Surah 33.,   Question is  do we have all those 73 verses of that  surah Al-Ahzab  in those manuscripts? and is it also  Surah 33 in them? and  do they have same sequence?? And do we have any  links of peer reviewed publications  on such work??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3577 - August 29, 2018, 07:58 PM

    Yeez,

    On 33:40

    Yes, it is in the first C list. Islamic awareness has it. So does Corpus Coranicum but they dont provide images. So they still might al be lying :-).

    I know D. Powers wrote a book with 33:40 as title but I haven't read it. So what is your point Yeez?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3578 - August 29, 2018, 08:10 PM

    Yeez,

    On 33:40

    http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14621.html

    Quote
    Powers argues that theological imperatives drove changes in the historical record and led to the abolition or reform of key legal institutions. In what is likely to be the most controversial aspect of his book, he offers compelling physical evidence that the text of the Qur'an itself was altered.


    wow! anyone has more info? anyone checked "the changes"?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3579 - August 29, 2018, 08:18 PM

    Could Altara and Marc S please tell what the hijrah was in your opinion in a few words. Write just the event. Important.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3580 - August 29, 2018, 08:41 PM

    The "hijra" is what have deduced the 9th c. narratives from the Quranic text,  as they see it through the frame of "Mecca/Medina/Kaba" that I consider  which has never existed.
    Thus, speaking of things that have never happened (for me...) is a waste of time.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3581 - August 29, 2018, 08:46 PM

    I am referring to the actual hijrah. Thr year of the Arabs.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3582 - August 29, 2018, 08:46 PM

    Not the standard view.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3583 - August 29, 2018, 08:49 PM

    WTF is this thread? Take it to debate thread.

    Your dribble is diluting a once great thread.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3584 - August 29, 2018, 08:50 PM

    Are you referring to me?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3585 - August 29, 2018, 09:20 PM

    Yes...and others...

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3586 - August 29, 2018, 09:26 PM

    Not.sure what I and others have done.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3587 - August 30, 2018, 12:25 AM

    But the Director of Shariah Police has done in like a Jedi and displayed his dominance.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3588 - August 30, 2018, 12:27 AM

    For some reason I can't edit. I would like to put my previous post in better English.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3589 - August 30, 2018, 06:34 AM

    I do think there sometimes are too many ideas in one post. It makes it difficult to follow except for those on the same frequency I guess.

    But everyone is free to post as he wishes...
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3590 - August 30, 2018, 07:15 AM

    Quote
    Yeez,

    On 33:40

    Yes, it is in the first C list. Islamic awareness has it. So does Corpus Coranicum but they dont provide images. So they still might al be lying :-).

    I know D. Powers wrote a book with 33:40 as title but I haven't read it. So what is your point Yeez?

    Yeez,

    On 33:40

    Yes, it is in the first C list. Islamic awareness has it. So does Corpus Coranicum but they dont provide images. So they still might al be lying :-).

    I know D. Powers wrote a book with 33:40 as title but I haven't read it. So what is your point Yeez?


    I guess none of you following my basic question dear mundi...  David S. Powers book is very little to do with my question.. and what I am looking for..

    Quote
    Muhammad Is Not the Father of Any of Your Men The Making of the Last Prophet
    David S. Powers  2009 | 376 pages | Cloth $65.00 | Paper $29.95

     
    Table of Contents

    Preface

    PART I: FATHERS AND SONS
    1. The Foundation Narratives of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
    2. Adoption in the Near East: From Antiquity to the Rise of Islam
    3. The Abolition of Adoption in Early Islam

    PART II: FROM SACRED LEGEND TO SACRED HISTORY
    4. The Repudiation of the Beloved of the Messenger of God
    5. The Battle of Mu'ta
    6. The Martyrdom of the Beloved of the Messenger of God
    7. Pretexts and Intertexts

    PART III: TEXT AND INTERPRETATION
    8. Paleography and Codicology: Bibliothèque Nationale de France 328a
    9. Kalala in Early Islamic Tradition
    10. Conclusion

    Appendices
    1: The Opening lines of Q. 4:12b and 4:176 in English Translations of the Qur'an
    2: Deathbed Scenes and Inheritance Disputes: A Literary Approach
    3: Inheritance Law: From the Ancient Near East to Early Islam

    Notes
    Bibliography
    Index
    Acknowledgments

    As you can see from its contents ., it is very little to do with Quran the present book Vs,, 7th-9th century manuscripts that were found  in Yemen ....Turkey..Egypt.., That book is dealing with few verses of Quran such as  33:40  or  Q. 4:12b or  4:176 verses., He picked up selective  verses  of Quran from here and there and wrote a book on "HOW SUCH REVELATIONS INFLUENCED THE ISLAMIC WORLD & ITS POLITICS THROUGH FAITH HEADS IN COLLUSION WITH WARLORDS CALIPHS "  ..whatever

    again my Query is very very simple...  let me repeat it..

    We have a book Quran., it has 114 chapters with some 6250 verses and each chapter of Quran has some different number of verses., Do we have same format same number  of verses in each chapter  with the same sequence in those 7th century manuscripts?

    to that question Mahgraye says
    Yeezevee - Over 90 %.


    Question is ..IS THAT TRUE? and do we have any published papers and books on it from Islamic historians  of educational institutions ..NOT FROM BLOGGERS AND WEBSITES OF FAITH HEADS

    that is all what I am asking dear mundi..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3591 - August 30, 2018, 07:18 AM

    Looj at my comment Yeezevee. It is on the previous page. I cite Noseda and Deroche
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3592 - August 30, 2018, 07:28 AM

    Looj at my comment Yeezevee. It is on the previous page. I cite Noseda and Deroche

    yes you did at https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=27568.msg879583#msg879583  ..............THANK YOU......... But.............but.................

    but my problem with you is .. " YOU DO NOT GIVE LINKS TO WHAT YOU SAY IN POSTS" dear Mahgraye .. You either writing by yourself or you copy/pasting/translating them  .. at that link you mention  names of
    Quote
    ...Gerd-Rüdiger Puin, Elizabeth Puin, Behnam Sadeghi, Mohsen Goudarzi, Uwe Bergmann, Asma Hilali, to name but a few. Based on the radiocarbon dating, Crone concluded: .....

     and a  faith head link   islamic-awareness.org. .. where as I am looking for peer reviewed published reviews and publications.

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3593 - August 30, 2018, 07:28 AM

    Completeness of Quran:

    Indeed, why has no scholar published on this. As I have said, the data we have dont seem to confirm the completeness from the beginning. Even if we accept 90 %, that is not a 100 %! So why is no-one taking up this issue and prove or disprove the completeness??

    Scholars? any idea?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3594 - August 30, 2018, 07:31 AM

    Magrayye,

    1/Why are you happy with "90 % was completed from the beginning"? Doesnt that make you wonder why the remaining 10 % is not there?

    2/ From the frequency table of Islamic awareness it is highly unlikely that the book was complete starting from the oldest Sanaa. If that was the case, we would have an even distribution of the extant Surahs in the table.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3595 - August 30, 2018, 07:33 AM

    Completeness of Quran:

    .............Even if we accept 90 %, that is not a 100 %! ....................

    Scholars? any idea?

    No..No  90 % is fine .,  
    10 % of those manuscripts may have eaten by goats ..termites and bugs..  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3596 - August 30, 2018, 07:41 AM

    Will provide the sources soon even tho I did in a previous comment.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3597 - August 30, 2018, 07:44 AM

    Will provide the sources soon even tho I did in a previous comment.

     see that .. can't you put the link for it dear Mahgraye ??   let me search for it .,

     I guess you interact with forum by phone...  on top of that ., it is such a complex analysis ONE PUBLICATION ONE LINK IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH ..

    are you talking about this post  https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=27568.msg879587#msg879587  dear Mahgraye??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3598 - August 30, 2018, 07:52 AM

    Are you talking about this one dear Mahgraye ??


    Quote
    https://iqsaweb.wordpress.com/2015/10/26/shaker_facsimile-editions/

    Facsimile Editions of Early Qur’an Manuscripts: A Survey
    Posted on October 26, 2015
    by Ahmed Shaker*

    There are numerous Qur’an manuscripts, complete and partial, dating from the first century A.H. onward. Although there is no official count of Qur’an manuscripts in existence today, Muhammad Mustafa Al-A‘zami (2003) estimates the number at about 250,000. They may be found in mosques, museums, libraries, and institutions all over the world. In the past century, several early manuscripts have been published in facsimile editions, which reproduce as closely as possible the texts in their original manuscript forms, and may be purchased from specialized centers like IRCICA or borrowed from university libraries. Facsimile editions offer researchers in Qur’anic studies and Arabic paleography easy—if indirect—access to early Qur’an manuscripts.

    The following is a concise chronological survey of select facsimile editions of early Qur’an manuscripts, including original title, date of publication, and—when possible—an estimated percentage of the total text of the Qur’an represented in the manuscript/facsimile.

    ............................

     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #3599 - August 30, 2018, 08:06 AM

    Quote
    There are numerous Qur’an manuscripts, complete and partial, dating from the first century A.H. onward. Although there is no official count of Qur’an manuscripts in existence today, Muhammad Mustafa Al-A‘zami (2003) estimates the number at about 250,000.


    Wow! Is this an outright lie? Even islamic awareness doesnt say this.
    I must say this is the second time I read something like this. The first time I thought the author was writing out of emotion, but maybe this idea is strongly propagated in the young modern muslim's milieu?
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