1). there is none "Shii" revolt/war against Damascus..............
2). if one listens to the Shii, the second fitna should have been Shii.............
3). Zubayr was not Shii. ..................
4). it is yet him which led a 10 years war against Abd al Malik........
5). For me there's a big issue here concerning the Shii mythical narrative.............
Question is .,
who narrated that story of The big issue of Shii mythical narrative. & when ?? and and how it got popularized in Persia??
anyway .. let me add that story ((which I have listened umpteen times)) from Qasim A. Moini published on this Muharram 2020 with a heading
Witness to KarbalaON the burning sands of Karbala 14 centuries ago, mankind’s noblest characters — represented by Imam Husain, his family members and loyal companions — and its absolute worst, in the shape of the Umayyad imperial horde, were on display.
From the Husaini camp, there are numerous shining examples that personify courage, magnanimity and steadfastness in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds. Leading this list is
Imam Husain himself, who bravely took on the tyrant of his day to save the very foundation of Islam. Moreover,
Bibi Zainab’s stirring khutbas (sermons) in the courts of Kufa and Damascus shook the throne of Yazid, while
Imam Zain al-Abidin’s eloquence and patience in the face of calamity has few parallels in history.
Yet another sublime example emerges from this venerable camp: that of
Imam Muhammad bin Ali al-Baqir, grandson of Imam Husain and son of Imam Zain al-Abidin. While Imam Baqir was a minor on the day of Ashura, he was a key witness to this massacre, and played an instrumental role in preserving and rebuilding the Islamic edifice after the martyrdom of his grandfather and other family members on the plains of Iraq.
As recorded by late Iraqi scholar Shaikh Baqir Sharif al-Qarashi, quoting ninth-century historian Yaqubi, Imam Baqir remembers Karbala thus: “My grandfather was killed while I was four years of age. Indeed, I remember his murder and what hit us during that time.”
From the Husaini camp, there are numerous shining examples.
As a child, Imam Baqir was an eyewitness to events that still shake anyone with a conscience centuries after the fact. Foremost of these was the brutal slaying of Imam Husain. As mentioned by renowned muhaddith (traditionalist) Shaikh Abbas Qummi in Nafasul Mahmum — one of the most authentic accounts of the Karbala tragedy — Imam Baqir relates that his noble grandfather suffered over 320 wounds from lances, swords and arrows.
But it did not end there. Imam Baqir witnessed Bibi Zainab, his aunts, sisters and other female relatives — members of the household of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) — treated as prisoners of war by the Umayyad army and held in unspeakable conditions. Moreover, his father Imam Zain al-Abidin, also known as Sajjad, was made to march in fetters in the scorching deserts of Iraq and Syria.
well that is a usual version of early shia Islamic story that every kid learns., you can read more of it under those hidden codes.,
without doubt that story is very emotional how Prophet's grand son'r and their family were treated by those early Umayyad Caliphate., the only thing shia kids do in the Indian subcontinent is listening that story beating their chests and crying for the members of the household of the Holy Prophet Muhammad..(PBUH)., Well after reading early Islalic history .. and Quran inside out... what I get is
what Allat wrote some eight years ago. allat said
Dreams and visions and random arbitrary accounts of things nobody could possibly have reliably reported. No documentation, nothing that could actually be held up to scrutiny. Just smoke and mirrors. No wonder so many Muslims freak out when someone actually devotes some real scholarship into looking into Islam's origins and Mohammed's history. Honestly, JK Rowling put more thought into the mythology, magic and prophesies in the Harry Potter series.
That post is 8 year old.... ha! time runs away., Anyway., that is what Shia Scholar Qasim A. Moini he writes on that Karbala story... did it really happened that way?? only Allah knows the best.. and let me add Shia Islam timeline and the gaps in it.. well those early names of Shia Islam are highlighted.... well Islamic history is filled with stories...
Topic: Qur'anic studies today