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Reply #10200 - May 23, 2021, 05:29 PM

Quote from: mundi on May 23, 2021, 01:32 PM
Back to the beginning. If Jews could live with Sol Invictus at the center of their synagogues, why not with Jesus as a secondary prophet?

Sol Invictus is a Jewish figure?
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Reply #10201 - May 23, 2021, 06:06 PM

Yeez,

Sorry for not answering your question. I was kind of focussed on Altara bc we had this same round of questioning a few months ago... With the same outcome :-(

We started the discussion by concluding that the Quran was more Jewish than Christian. The author must have been very familiar with Jewish Talmud etc.... On top of that there is a layer of Northern Christian writing (S 19 as Dye shows).

So I really dont know anymore where Altara disagrees.

Can you repeat your Q Yeez?
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Reply #10202 - May 23, 2021, 07:49 PM

Gabriel S. Reynolds here links to a video by Ahmad Al-Jallad, where he
suggests ʿīsā has an independent history linked to Ancient North Arabian. Could this be used as an argument for the Quran coming from North Arabia and not Hijaz??
https://twitter.com/GabrielSaidR/status/1395717155400847360?s=20
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Reply #10203 - May 23, 2021, 08:00 PM

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Could this be used as an argument for the Quran coming from North Arabia and not Hijaz

I think so... In fact, idont know any convincing arguments to link the Quran to the Hijaz, do you?
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Reply #10204 - May 23, 2021, 08:55 PM

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We started the discussion by concluding that the Quran was more Jewish than Christian. The author must have been very familiar with Jewish Talmud etc.. On top of that there is a layer of Northern Christian writing (S 19 as Dye shows).

Yes they are familiar with post 70 Jewish writings.
The question is to what extent post 70 Jewish writings (all in Hebrew/ Syriac) are available to non Jews to read and study?
And how Northern Christians (Jacobite, Chalcedonian, Nestorian) could have added "Christian" writings " (S 19 as Dye shows)" on a Jewish text.

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So I really dont know anymore where Altara disagrees.

I disagree about your interpretation of the synagogues panels. I do not consider them as pagans, but Jewish.
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Reply #10205 - May 24, 2021, 08:58 AM

For Judaism Jesus is boiling in its excrements in Hell. Knowing this, how Jewish scholars of that time could have written down a praised Jesus as one can see in the Quran?
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I was trying to understand and respond to the above post of Altara but those highlighted words pulled me through the excrements of hell
why would you say that dear Altara??
WHAT IS JUDAISM??
WHAT ARE ITS TEXTS?? .. RELIGIOUS/ORAL whatever??
And what are those texts have to do with Jesus Christ?

1/I (just) say why people who do not like someone in their texts (Talmud) would praised him in another one (Quran), I was asking Mundi to explain this to me.
2/ Well... The Biblical God is coming from it.
3/Talmud (for the boiling) and Toledot Yeshu for another story of Jesus : Academia is your friend.
4/ They staged him as a Jew who erred Israel.
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Reply #10206 - May 24, 2021, 02:04 PM

Quote from: Asbjoern1958 on May 23, 2021, 07:49 PM
Gabriel S. Reynolds here links to a video by Ahmad Al-Jallad, where he
suggests ʿīsā has an independent history linked to Ancient North Arabian. Could this be used as an argument for the Quran coming from North Arabia and not Hijaz??
https://twitter.com/GabrielSaidR/status/1395717155400847360?s=20

Yes, it is an interesting video.
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Reply #10207 - May 24, 2021, 03:42 PM

Hi Mundi!
I have no other convincing arguments for linking the Quran to Hijaz, but it seems to me that most scholars (except Patricia Crone???) do believe that it originated in Hijaz
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Reply #10208 - May 24, 2021, 04:02 PM

Quote from: Altara on May 24, 2021, 08:58 AM
For Judaism ~~Jesus is boiling in its excrements in Hell.~~ Knowing this, how Jewish scholars of that time could have written down a praised Jesus as one can see in the Quran?

dear Altara ., I am a simple guy and I try to simplify complicated religious junk and try to understand it with reference to its time line., And I question everything...

You say that some Juicily jews say/said
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..... For Judaism "Jesus is boiling in its excrements in Hell".........

And I ask you ., Did Judaism come before Christ or after Christ?? ., If Christ Came AFTER JUDAISM., then Judaism can not say that., May be it was not Judaism that said those words., It could be from Juicism from some politically savvy jew... or rabanism.. or whateverism ..

I am under the impression the BOOKS OF OT are bedrock of Judaism nor rest of of hadth Judaism like hadith of Islam., CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG

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1/I (just) say why people who do not like someone in their texts (Talmud) would praised him in another one (Quran), I was asking Mundi to explain this to me.

what you say there is very interesting., Are you indirectly saying to me some smart Jewish guy dictated Quran to oppose some other juicy jew who may have said "Jesus is boiling in its excrements in Hell"

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2/ Well... The Biblical God is coming from it.
3/Talmud (for the boiling) and Toledot Yeshu for another story of Jesus : Academia is your friend.
4/ They staged him as a Jew who erred Israel.

well I can not go on reading what folks wrote about Jesus Christ .. WHETHER HE WAS REAL OR JUST A STORY... there are many stories of Jesus ., and I agree with you some Juicy Jews may have staged him as a Jew who erred Israel.., and FOR THAT MILLIONS OF JEWISH FOLKS PAYED HEAVY PRICE ...

Indeed reading your arguments and your ideas on religions and their stories is a pleasure as well as educational.. Thank you.. and I look forward reading your book .. In French or otherwise.,

I actually like French Fries with my own spices sprinkled on them

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Reply #10209 - May 24, 2021, 08:42 PM

Yeez,

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1/I (just) say why people who do not like someone in their texts (Talmud) would praised him in another one (Quran), I was asking Mundi to explain this to me.

Bc there was not one judaism, just as there is/was not one christianity.

Eg American evangelicals align themselves with Jews to build on the Temple mount for the end of times to come (or is it the second coming, who knows), Catholics don t have this idea at all.

Just as there are big differences now, there were big differences in the Jewish religion. Some despised Jesus, some saw a lower prophet in him. Doesnt that seem plausible?
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Reply #10210 - May 25, 2021, 12:17 PM

1/I (just) say why people who do not like someone in their texts (Talmud) would praised him in another one (Quran), I was asking Mundi to explain this to me.
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Bc there was not one judaism, just as there is/was not one christianity.

Apart your personal interpretation of the synagogues mosaics you have no attestation of this. Otherwise there is also the hostility (in the Quran) toward generic Jews which are, interestingly, for the most part, accusations coming from Christianity.

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Some despised Jesus, some saw a lower prophet in him. Doesnt that seem plausible?

All is plausible from the moment where you have sources to ground this plausibility. Do we have some?
The response is no. Moreover, if you were right (and you could, I'm against nothing) an allusion to Jesus (image for example since there is Helios/Sol Invictus) could be in those synagogues. Is there one?
The response is no. Is there allusion somewhere of Jews loving the prophet Jesus, etc., in the 5,6,7th c.? The response is no.
Each question has a response: no. At the end I consider that "Some despised Jesus, some saw a lower prophet in him. " is grounded by nothing and I set it aside. The explanation is therefore elsewhere.
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Reply #10211 - May 25, 2021, 05:21 PM

This is very interesting from you two dear mundi and Altara...
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Quote from: mundi on May 24, 2021, 08:42 PM
Yeez,

Bc there was not one judaism, just as there is/was not one christianity.

Eg American evangelicals align themselves with Jews to build on the Temple mount for the end of times to come (or is it the second coming, who knows), Catholics don t have this idea at all. judaism

Just as there are big differences now, there were big differences in the Jewish religion. Some despised Jesus, some saw a lower prophet in him. Doesn't that seem plausible?

Quote from: Altara on May 25, 2021, 12:17 PM
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1/I (just) say why people who do not like someone in their texts (Talmud) would praised him in another one (Quran), I was asking Mundi to explain this to me.

Apart your personal interpretation of the synagogues mosaics you have no attestation of this. Otherwise there is also the hostility (in the Quran) toward generic Jews which are, interestingly, for the most part, accusations coming from Christianity.

All is plausible from the moment where you have sources to ground this plausibility. Do we have some?
The response is no. Moreover, if you were right (and you could, I'm against nothing) an allusion to Jesus (image for example since there is Helios/Sol Invictus) could be in those synagogues. Is there one?
The response is no. Is there allusion somewhere of Jews loving the prophet Jesus, etc., in the 5,6,7th c.? The response is no.
Each question has a response: no. At the end I consider that "Some despised Jesus, some saw a lower prophet in him. " is grounded by nothing and I set it aside. The explanation is therefore elsewhere.

dear Altara., In those highlighted words., I know you were asking mundi ., but that is such an important point., I am trying to probe further to get some thoughts from you on that point., That is the reason I was asking questions in the earlier post .. but you did not answer ., So I wonder about your response for those questions..at https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=27568.msg891206#msg891206.

I also kind of like above mundi response...... Now another question for you is/are

............" during those turbulent times starting from the birth /death of Prophet of Christianity namely "Jesus Christ" (real or imaginary ) to the birth/death of Prophet of Islam namely "Muhammad" (real or imaginary )..........

potentially there is chance that .... there were many sects of Judaism OR may be we should call it as "MANY SECTS OF RABBANISMS" with different Jewish rabbis preaching/interpreting OT in their own way for their respective followers...

Do you completely neglect that possibility dear Altara??
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Again on these words of yours
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1/I (just) say why people who do not like someone in their texts (Talmud) would praised him in another one (Quran)

So in this "Talmud Vs Quran"

Do you think some of those statements I see in Quran are actually come from Talmud? if they are ., then.,

Are they from the Babylonian Talmud or are they from Jerusalem Talmud??

Damn so many possibilities and so many problems in the Origins of Quran

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Reply #10212 - May 25, 2021, 06:24 PM

We see that there are a lot of parallels with Talmud and co. in the Quran. Only someone very close to judaism could have produced that.

Sol Invictus in the synagogues of course doesnt link Jesus to a Jewish sect. Sol shows that serious "heresy" was going round in judaism. It shows that we shouldnt exclude a diverse Judaism as having contributed significantly to the Quran.

If we didnt have the material evidence of Sol in the synagogues, which combination would have been the most likely:

1/ Jews honoring Sol Invictus
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2/ Jews honoring Jesus making him a lower prophet.

I think all academics would have voted 2. But we know there is proof for 1/ but not yet for 2/. Or is there? And is this proof the Quran?
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Reply #10213 - May 25, 2021, 09:28 PM

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during those turbulent times starting from the birth /death of Prophet of Christianity namely "Jesus Christ" (real or imaginary ) to the birth/death of Prophet of Islam namely "Muhammad" (real or imaginary )….

potentially there is chance that …. 1) there were many sects of Judaism 2)OR may be we should call it as "MANY SECTS OF RABBANISMS" with different Jewish rabbis preaching/interpreting OT in their own way for their respective followers...

Do you completely neglect that possibility dear Altara??

1/ Judaism is a political system of a certain people which was never clearly intended to spread elsewhere. Yet, it does in many ways. Sometimes some parts of it, sometimes all, etc. A political system is an ensemble of laws and a rule of law driven by certain ethics laws. Those ones have changed through time (adoption of democracy, end of slavery, etc)
2/ Yes I set aside "different Jewish rabbis preaching/interpreting OT in their own way for their respective followers" because there is no sources until now.

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We see that there are a lot of parallels with Talmud and co. in the Quran. Only someone very close to Judaism could have produced that.

or knowing very well this literature and the Christian one.
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Do you think some of those statements I see in Quran are actually come from Talmud? if they are ., then.,
Are they from the Babylonian Talmud or are they from Jerusalem Talmud??

1/ Yes, all scholars have remarked that.
2/ Mainly Iraqi Talmud.
3/ There's also some Midrashic connections.
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Reply #10214 - May 26, 2021, 10:53 AM

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Sol Invictus in the synagogues of course doesnt link Jesus to a Jewish sect.

Whereras he should if heretic Jews had written down Quranic texts. Your theory, in fact, is the same as Gallez. Of course, there is no Jesus anywhere in those synagogues.

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Sol shows that serious "heresy" was going round in judaism.

According to you.
It especially shows the absence of training from your part. You have reach your limits as historian ; it's quite normal, you've not been trained, therefore at a certain moment, your absence of training emerges.

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It shows that we shouldnt exclude a diverse Judaism as having contributed significantly to the Quran.

We should (totally) exclude Gallez theory.

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If we didnt have the material evidence of Sol in the synagogues, which combination would have been the most likely:
1/ Jews honoring Sol Invictus
or
2/ Jews honoring Jesus making him a lower prophet.

I think all academics would have voted 2.

You're wrong. The Jewish skepticism (to not say more) about Jesus is heavily documented and scholars knows it very well. Moreover, the simple fact that you seriously state what you state, shows the lack of training, especially in Judaism. I do not blame you, I just point it.

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But we know there is proof for 1/ but not yet for 2/. Or is there? And is this proof the Quran?

Gallez is (exactly) on the same mood: the proof of what he says is the Quran. Circular reasoning.
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Reply #10215 - May 26, 2021, 12:16 PM

Quote from: Altara on May 25, 2021, 09:28 PM

1/ Judaism is a political system of a certain people which was never clearly intended to spread elsewhere.

Damn you .. some of your posts and statements have SHOCK VALUE.. shock people dear Altara..

On those words( I did not even read rest of your response)) .. If Judaism is a political system organized by certain smart people ., Then

1) what is your opinion on Christianity

2). I am assuming that you will say Islam like Judaism is also a political system organized by certain smart people

correct if my assumption is wrong on the 2nd point

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Reply #10216 - May 26, 2021, 04:26 PM

Christianity is the comprehension of people about some texts written down in Greek by certain Jews
Islam is the comprehension of people about some texts that they had in their hand.
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Reply #10217 - May 30, 2021, 11:55 AM

Quote from: Altara on May 26, 2021, 04:26 PM
2). Christianity is the comprehension of people about some texts written down in Greek by certain Jews

3). Islam is the comprehension of people about some texts that they had in their hand.

1, 2, 3 .. we drifted away too far from the folder Qur'anic studies today dear Altara.. but all 1, 2, 3 are related in many ways.. So at the end ... the definitions for the Abrahamic faiths from you are
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1). Judaism is a political system of a certain people which was never clearly intended to spread elsewhere.

2). Christianity is the comprehension of people about some texts written down in Greek by certain Jews

3). Islam is the comprehension of people about some texts that they had in their hand.

you added the statements below to only Judaism but NOT to Christianity and Islam
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((Yet, it does in many ways. Sometimes some parts of it, sometimes all, etc. A political system is an ensemble of laws and a rule of law driven by certain ethics laws. Those ones have changed through time (adoption of democracy, end of slavery, etc))

I wonder why?

I guess we can also add the above words of yours to the other two Abrahamic faiths.. as well as to other faiths Can't we??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations such as
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Judaism—14.7 million[7]   0.18%
Christians—2.2 billion followers (representing 31.5% of the world's population)
Muslims—1.6 billion (23.2%)
Hindus—1 billion (15.0%)
Buddhists—500 million (7.1%)
Sikhism—26 million   0.30%
Baháʼí—5.0 million[9]   0.07%
Jainism—4.2 million   0.05%
Shinto — 4.0 million 0.05%
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Indigenous religions—400 million (5.9%)
Other religions—58 million (0.8%)
African traditional religions—   100 million 1.2%
Spiritism   —14.5 million[8]   0.18%
Cao Dai—   4.0 million   0.05%
Zoroastrianism—   2.6 million   0.03%
Tenrikyo—   2.0 million   0.02%
Animism   —1.9 million   0.02%
Druze—   1.2 million   0.015%
Neo-Paganism—   1.0 million   0.01%
Unitarian Universalism—   0.8 million   0.01%
Rastafari—   0.6 million   0.007%

~~Non-religious people—1.1 billion (16.3%)~~

interesting faiths and faith heads ..... I don't know how to figure out and I wonder

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO THESE FAITH HEADS TO REALIZE THAT FAITHS ARE HUMAN CONCEPTS AND MOSTLY MAN MADE

I guess we need much more powerful COVID VIRUS than we have now . And it need to infect not body but ..... brain...?? lol...

any ways going back to Quran .. I read this book again that zeca posted in other folder https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=28609.msg891213#msg891213

A book by Elizabeth Urban

That book/let seem to extract real history (IMAGNINARY??)of that time from Quran., she uses lot of Quranic verses in that booklet ., what is your opinion on that ...??

I really look forward reading your book..

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Reply #10218 - May 31, 2021, 09:25 AM

Quote from: Altara on May 26, 2021, 04:26 PM
Christianity is the comprehension of people about some texts written down in Greek by certain Jews
Islam is the comprehension of people about some texts that they had in their hand.
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Reply #10219 - May 31, 2021, 09:28 AM

Altara, so you think that the author(s) of the Quran had access to written material, and did not just wrote down what they had heard?
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Reply #10220 - May 31, 2021, 07:16 PM

As literati, they had access to the whole, at least many. It has to be pointed that these author(s) not only knows all the basic material but also modify it, assembling different parts from different authors, times, etc., to fit their own view exposed in the Quran.

https://youtu.be/sO2QbQI2yXs
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Reply #10221 - May 31, 2021, 08:05 PM

Thread: https://mobile.twitter.com/iandavidmorris/status/1399345992038821895
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Is there precedent for the idea in Muslim sources that an angel (instead of God: cf. Genesis 2:7) could breathe the breath of life into a mortal creature’s nostril?

Which side are you on?
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Reply #10222 - June 01, 2021, 03:42 PM

Thierry Murcia, “The Rabbinic representation of Jesus and his followers”

Abstract
Born of Judaism, “Christian heresy” ends up supplanting idolatrous paganism to become the official religion of the Roman
Empire: for the rabbis, one “prostitute” casts out another. They must keep their distance from her and the seduction she employs. Jesus and his followers aretherefore brought to life in parodic tales: the rabbis use Jesus as their mouthpiece. Christianityfrom that point is seen as a neo-idolatry: an idolater, a seducer and a sorcerer, Jesus becomesthe founder of his own cult. Rather than Jesus, it is in reality the Christian contemporaries of the authors who are the rabbis’ targets.

https://www.academia.edu/49084628/Thierry_Murcia_The_Rabbinic_representation_of_Jesus_and_his_followers_
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Reply #10223 - June 04, 2021, 08:40 AM

Podcast_60 Muhammad Real History

Episode description: Who was Muhammad? where did he come from? and what was his historical context for his life? Tom Holland and Dominic Sandbrook discusses the subject

that link come from Tom Holland twitter link

https://mobile.twitter.com/holland_tom/status/1400350901513211904

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Reply #10224 - June 05, 2021, 08:48 AM

Aware of the threats Holland is now a great believer. I do not blame him.
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Reply #10225 - June 05, 2021, 03:33 PM

Quote from: Altara on June 05, 2021, 08:48 AM
Aware of the threats Holland is now a great believer. I do not blame him.

Hmm... THAT IS SUCH A MYSOGENIC STATEMENT FROM YOU dear Altara., and it is because you did not air the same opinion on a person who happened to be woman as well as Islam's historian ., ..... who was also writing and exploring origins of Quran/Islam but faith heads in Islam did not like that ...... what I call them as as Islamist bastards who moved in to Islam without reading and ((if read .. here and there))without understanding Quran and its origins...

But I have other questions for you on your recent response/s Asbjoern1958

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Reply #10226 - June 05, 2021, 03:41 PM

Important lecture by Dye: French imperative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJphpYBk6y0
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Reply #10227 - June 05, 2021, 03:45 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on June 05, 2021, 03:33 PM
Hmm... THAT IS SUCH A MYSOGENIC STATEMENT FROM YOU dear Altara., and it is because you did not air the same opinion on a person who happened to be woman as well as Islam's historian .

,

?
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Reply #10228 - June 05, 2021, 03:48 PM

Quote from: Altara on June 05, 2021, 03:45 PM
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Holland is a woman?

i guess you did not read the post properly .. read this again

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and it is because you did not air the same opinion on a person who happened to be woman as well as Islam's historian ., ..... who was also writing and exploring origins of Quran/Islam but faith heads in Islam did not like that ..

but I am watching that Dye you tube..

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Reply #10229 - June 05, 2021, 03:56 PM

I do not understand what you said.
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