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  • The firmament in the Quran?
     OP - November 24, 2014, 08:44 AM
    He hath loosed the two seas. They meet.    
    There is a barrier between them. They encroach not (one upon the other) (55:19-20)

    And He it is Who hath given independence to the two seas (though they meet); one palatable, sweet, and the other saltish, bitter; and hath set a bar and a forbidding ban between them. (25:53)

    Translations from Pickthall

    Is this a reference to the Biblical firmament? One body is in the heavens and is held back by a firmament (like a dome thing), but sometimes when it rains some of the water leaks through (this would be fresh water as opposed to salty ocean water on Earth). This idea comes from the Genesis account of creation. It seems pretty close, but I am at the mercy of translation based on Muslim exegesis which could have tried to interpret it Biblically.

    Compare it to this:

    "You set the earth on its foundations,
    so that it shall never be shaken.
    You cover it with the deep as with
    a garment;
    the waters stood above the
    mountains.
    At your rebuke they flee;
    at the sound of your thunder they
    take to flight.
    They rose up to the mountains, ran down to the valleys
    to the place that you appointed for them.
    You set a boundary that they may not
    pass,
    so that they might not again cover
    the earth"(Psalms 104:5-104:9)

    "I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
    -Thomas Paine
  • The firmament in the Quran?
     Reply #1 - November 24, 2014, 09:34 PM
    (bump) C'mon you nerds who study Islam in its Biblical context should be interested in this.

    I'll include the Genesis passage too:

    And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
    And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
    And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
    And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
    And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:6-10)
    "I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
    -Thomas Paine
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