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  • The most dopey mullah evah
     OP - January 02, 2015, 05:14 PM

    ....presented to you must be Mullah Liam Ad-Deen.

    Here he argues (mostly with himself) about the haramifaction of saying "merry Christmas":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fRpd7B1rYc&feature=youtu.be


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  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #1 - January 02, 2015, 08:32 PM

    I thought he was excellent!!  Afro

    It was very refreshing to hear a Muslim publicly sticking it to the haram squad.
  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #2 - January 02, 2015, 10:51 PM

    Lol is all i can say

    "Question with boldness even the existence of God...because...if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear"...Thomas Jefferson
  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #3 - January 02, 2015, 10:57 PM

    He's cool. I like his FB too.
  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #4 - January 03, 2015, 12:30 AM

    I liked his message along with the relaxed tone.
  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #5 - January 03, 2015, 11:39 AM

    He is a hero:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORObj0wHemU&feature=youtu.be
  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #6 - January 07, 2015, 03:20 PM

    Aaaand down he goes...


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  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #7 - January 07, 2015, 10:35 PM

    Well that didn't take long for the double-talk. I guess as long as execution is done under "Islamic standard" it is okay.
  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #8 - January 07, 2015, 11:28 PM

    Well I'm not sure it is technically double-talk. Just having certain... well... standards.

    Like Jews should be killed but only with due process as prescribed by the Nuremberg Laws or something.

    Also I'm always open to people having afterthoughts so I'll check up on him somewhere in the future.

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  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #9 - January 12, 2015, 09:27 PM

    Ok.

    He is so refreshingly fundamentalist. I think I love him again.

    On the killing of blasphemers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZzEFi3i7Y

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    Some portions from Ash-Shifa by Qadhi Ayyad:

    Section One: The Judgement of the Shari'a regarding someone
    who curses or disparages the Prophet

    Know that all who curse Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, or blame him or attribute imperfection to him in his person, his lineage, his deen or any of his qualities, or alludes to that or its like by any means whatsoever, whether in the form of a curse or contempt or belittling him or detracting from him or finding fault with him or maligning him, the judgement regarding such a person is the same as the judgement against anyone who curses him. He is killed as we shall make clear. This judgement extends to anything which amounts to a curse or disparagement. We have no hesitation concerning this matter, be it a clear statement or allusion.

    The same applies to anyone who curses him, invokes against him, desires to harm him, ascribes to him what does not befit his position or jokes about his mighty affair with foolish talk, satire, disliked words or jies, or reviles him because of any affliction or trial which happened to him or disparages him, because of any of the permissible and well-known human events which happened to him. All of this is the consensus of the 'ularna' and the imams of fatwa from the time of the Companions until today.

    Abu Bakr ibn al-Mundhir said that the bulk of the people of knowledge agree that whoever curses the Prophet is killed. These include Malik ibn Anas, al-Layth, Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Ishaq ibn Rahawayh, and it is the position of the Shafi'i school. Qadi Abu'l-Fadl said that it is based on the statement of Abu Bakr as-Siddiq. His repentance is not accepted. Something similar was stated by Abu Hanifa and his people, ath-Thawri and the people of Kufa and al-Awza'i about the Muslims. However, they said that it constitutes apostasy.

    At-Tabari related something similar from Abu Hanifa and his companions about anyone who disparages the Prophet, proclaims himself quit of him or calls him a liar.

    Sahnun said about those who curse the Prophet, "This is apostasy in exactly the same way as heresy (zandaqa) is. Therefore there is some dispute about whether such a person should be called to repent (as a Muslim) or whether he is an unbeliever. Is he to be killed by a hadd-punishment (as a Muslim) or for disbelief?" We will make this clear in Chapter Two. We do not know of any dispute among the 'ulama' of the community and the Salaf regarding the permissibility of shedding his blood.

    Several people have mentioned that the consensus is that he is to be killed and considered an unbeliever. One of the Dhahirites, Abu Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Farisi, however, indicated that there is some disagreement about whether to consider someone who belittles the Prophet as an unbeliever. The best-known position has already been stated.

    Muhammad ibn Sahnun said that the 'ulama' agree that anyone who reviles the Prophet and disparages him is an unbeliever and the threat of Allah's punishment is on him. The community's judgement on him is that he be killed. Anyone who has any doubts about such a person's disbelief and punishment is also an unbeliever. For a proof of this, Ibrahim ibn Husayn ibn Khalid, the faqih, uses the instance of Khalid ibn al-Walid killing Malik ibn Nuwayra for referring to the Prophet as "your companion."'[3]

    Abu Sulayman al-Khattabi said, "I do not know of any Muslim who disagrees about the necessity of killing such a person if he is a Muslim."

    Ibn al-Qasim reports from Malik in the book of Ibn Sahnun, the Mabsut, and the 'Utibiyya and Ibn Mutarrif relates the same from Malik in the book of Ibn Habib, "Any Muslim who curses the Prophet is killed without being asked to repent."

    Ibn al-Qasim said in the 'Utibiyya, "Anyone who curses him, reviles him, finds fault with him or disparages him is killed. The community say that he should be killed just like the dualist. Allah made it obligatory to respect the Prophet and be dutiful to him."

    In the Mabsut from 'Uthman ibn Kinana we find, "Any Muslim who reviles the Prophet is killed or crucified without being asked to repent. The Imam can choose between crucifying him or killing him." In the variant of Abu'l-Mus'ab and Ibn Abi Uways, they heard Malik say, "Anyone who curses the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, reviles him, finds fault with him or disparages him is killed, be he Muslim or unbeliever, without being asked to repent."


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  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #10 - January 13, 2015, 12:35 AM

    Well I'm not sure it is technically double-talk. Just having certain... well... standards.

    Like Jews should be killed but only with due process as prescribed by the Nuremberg Laws or something.

    Also I'm always open to people having afterthoughts so I'll check up on him somewhere in the future.


    What I meant was he was talking down about shirk of saying Xmas because some support it. His about face with supporting death for apostasy which other groups would argue is not in Islam.
  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #11 - February 18, 2015, 06:01 PM

    I have since realised that he actually does not support it. But it is in the scripture and it is Islam. And he thinks it is highly problematic. And he admits it.

    So new video from him. Here about Christians in the Muslim world. In solidarity he will fast for 40 days together with the Orthodox Christians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcR3gyXbzC0

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    We have just had 21 Coptic Christians beheaded by ISIS in Libya on the eve of their holy period of Lent, we have Boko Haram murdering and abducting Christians in Nigeria, we have Christian minorities in Syria and Iraq being butchered, we have the ongoing oppression of Christians in Pakistan and elsewhere. Many Christian Churches I know support the Palestinian people, and oppressed Muslims in general. I request Muslims to do some outreach, visit Christians, and fast in solidarity with these Christian sisters and brothers who are suffering at the hands of people that quote our books and stand under a flag bearing our statement of faith.

    This Wednesday is Ash Wednesday, and it is the beginning of Lent which is sort of the equivalent of Ramadan for Christians. Christians believe Jesus (as) spent 40 days fasting in the desert and being tempted by Satan and they traditionally used to (and still do although its tame now for many) mirror this through fasting and other forms of abstinence. I intended to take part in it this year and fast for the whole of it INSHA'ALLAH out of solidarity with Christians being persecuted in Nigeria, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Egypt etc at the hands of some of my outrageous and disgracefully barbaric Muslim fellows.

    In the city close to where I live, I remember when the Bosnian war was going on, a lot of Muslim Bosnians came as refugees here, and many many many priests and christians opened their churchs and homes to them, cooked them food, drove them around, helped them arrange for animals to be slaughtered in the Islamic way so they had halal meat, and general things like this to make them feel at home. I can remember people ordering copies of the Quran for them in arabic and their own language too. When Ramadan came, many of the priests and lay people fasted with them, I was really impressed by that and the Bosnian people were really moved by it. I remember reading much later a couplet by Rumi that said, “Where Jesus lives, the great-hearted gather" and that always made me think of that time. I am horrified by what is happening to Christians and others in many places that are majority Muslim, it hurts me a lot that this is done in the name of Islam. I can not get images out of my head of Christians butchered in disgustingly depraved ways in Kessab, Syria, including children. While it does nothing to change what terrible atrocities are happening in the world, I want to offer something as a means of solidarity. So deeds are by intention, and I intend some peace for people, healing, and building of bridges. We are one soul, one humanity, and we should feel that. May it be accepted.


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  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #12 - March 08, 2015, 06:49 PM

    So he did (Facebook link) a tafsir of 4:34:

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    Ok the verse we are talking about with the 3 step plan on how to reconcile a husband and wife, is presented like this: admonish, leave the bed, and beat them. Now since there seems to be very little agreement on what this verse means, I will give my Irish Mullah tafsir. If the Arabs, Pakistanis, etc have messed up this bad, the Irish should have a go since we are the people the Lord made mad, and honestly, made the most sane Wink

    1 - "admonish" is the wrong word, you don't shame your wife, as though she were some pet. Nor do you advise her like she is your student. You communicate and speak WITH her, not TO her. When she is upset or has hurt you, you don't scold, you don't chide, no, that only hurts her. Why do you want to hurt her when she is your own heart? Hurting her in any way is worse than hurting yourself, and if you loved her you would avoid this. People make mistakes for sure for sure, we act foolish and even forget to be kind to ourselves. We're just human beings struggling along. So you find beautiful words to say to your dear wife, you bring your feelings to her, you bring your hurt and your fears, you show your heart ache with your tears, just as the Prophet did with Khadijah when he was shaken after being in the Hira. You show your pain to her and your vulnerability, you bring this with beautiful words that will move her heart towards you, not with words that will send her further from you. You sing to her, you let all your feelings come out and you place them before her own sweet heart. This will bring you closer and your issues will be resolved ia.

    2 - "leave the bed", this does not mean you act cold or callous towards her. No. You can never let her feel abandoned, desertion is against manhood and it is the way of cowards. How could you break her heart by punishing her with loneliness? How could you allow her to become bitter from the sting of your silence? How do you think this would ever bring her back to you, it will only prove to her further that, in the end, you would have left her. That is destruction. No, what it means is you give her time and space to navigate her own thoughts and emotions with beauty and grace. You tell her that you would never leave her stranded, you hold her hand, look into her eyes and tell her that wherever you are you are with her, that you are not letting her go, you are just letting her be. If she feels lonely, be there always ready, do not ever allow her to doubt your devotion to her, consider it a sin. If you are separated for a time, you stand outside her window, you look at the moon and tell it how much the separation from her grieves your heart. You tell the moon that it is nothing compared to her, the moon steals light from the Sun while she radiates her own luminance. If you do this, it will make her heart overflow and she won't wait, she will come looking for you. She will know your pain as much as you know hers.

    3 - "beat them". In no circumstance would a literal application of this ever benefit the relationship. If you hit her, even lightly, you will have broken her trust, her loyalty, and her heart. Your connection will be forever severed, it will never be the same, because she came to know you as someone who she should fear. You are a man. You are to offer yourself as a refuge and sanctuary for her, you are to take care of her trust and love, how could you betray her? How could you let her know you as a threat or an enemy? Never do this, whether symbolically or otherwise unless you want her to remain with you only from fear, and if that is the case, know you are a tyrant and will be with Firawn in the next life. You will never have her see you as a true, sincere friend after that, and she would be right to leave you. My fatwa is if you hit your wife your marriage is done. It is broken, even if she remains. This does not mean beat or symbolically tap or whatever nonsense the dry legalists have theorized. Irish Mullahs aren't those people.

    It means make beautiful love to her. Its a crude metaphor, but we are crude beings. This is not for your gratification nor is it a time when you decide. You bring her flowers, bring her gifts, wash the dishes, make her feel honored and dignified. Praise her. Sing her name. Give her your full attention, and if you are attentive you will recognize the moment. When it manifests, you forget yourself and you give her your full devotion and adoration. You use your hands, your eyes, your lips to show her your heart and what honor it contains for her. You lose yourself in her, you let your body be at her service, you are not for yourself now. You seek out the divine beauty and majesty that she has been endowed with and you worship like a man that has met sacredness embodied. You let your hearts heal, and let your souls seal in that union that is beyond ancient. Bring paradise to this earth and let it lay waste to the hell of this place. All a sane man can ever care about is giving love, so give generously like you have the ocean inside your chest. This is what the verse means, I will say it in any mosque from any mimbar, and I don't give a thought to what the scholars say.


     Yep_True.

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  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #13 - March 08, 2015, 07:15 PM

    All he's doing is taking secular morality and imposing it upon his reading of the text. Ignore what the experts of Arabic actually say, just follow what you believe to be true in your heart. If you're willing to do that, why need a holy book at all?

    How the heck does beat = make love to her?

    "I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
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  • The most dopey mullah evah
     Reply #14 - March 08, 2015, 07:17 PM

    Tough love? 50 shades of Sharia?

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