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OP - January 03, 2015, 01:07 PM

If William Lane Craig and Hamza Tortoise were to ever have a debate - what do you think will be the outcome. It would be quite humorous to say the least.
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Reply #1 - January 03, 2015, 05:25 PM

Craig would start with his normal arguments. Hamza would follow with his copied arguments from Craig but a far less sophisticated versions. Craig would easily point this out and claim Hamza agrees with him thus should be a Christian. However such a debate will never happen. Craig debates those with degrees, Hamza has none.

Here is Craig vs Islam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8oDb447Jds
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Reply #2 - January 03, 2015, 06:37 PM

Craig is far smarter than hamza. Craig has built most of the arguments hamza uses. It would be like watching a sith master duel his apprentice

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Reply #3 - January 03, 2015, 11:44 PM

Ummmm Return of the Jedi Granted not a duel.
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Reply #4 - January 03, 2015, 11:47 PM

Nah! I'd rather Craig reveal 'I am your father!'

No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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Reply #5 - January 03, 2015, 11:49 PM

Only if Hamza loses a hand right after followed by kissing his sister. He must kiss his sister before as well
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Reply #6 - January 03, 2015, 11:57 PM

He's probably done that resulting in emotional turmoil and seeking God's forgiveness for transgressing beyond 'normal' boundaries.

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Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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Reply #7 - January 04, 2015, 12:49 AM

"Under atheism, there is no sound basis for objective moral values. Who's to say that killing a wookie and selling its fur to Jawa traders is a morally incorrect action? Also, what makes a human life any more valuable than a Gungan's? To say that a human life is more intrinsically valuable under atheism is to engage in speciesism"

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Reply #8 - January 10, 2015, 07:14 PM

Craig would bulldoze Hamza,

hope that helps.

His arguments may be weaker than they look & he may be deceptive, but the guy is a bloody brilliant debater.

My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
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Reply #9 - January 10, 2015, 07:17 PM

Quote from: justperusing on January 04, 2015, 12:49 AM
"Under atheism, there is no sound basis for objective moral values. Who's to say that killing a wookie and selling its fur to Jawa traders is a morally incorrect action? Also, what makes a human life any more valuable than a Gungan's? To say that a human life is more intrinsically valuable under atheism is to engage in speciesism"

Kagan owned Craig on the topic of objective morality by showing how it is consistent with atheism and why WLCs perversion of moral realism is an inferior position.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiJnCQuPiuo

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Reply #10 - January 10, 2015, 07:23 PM

Btw, this is a good way to counter those who claim that "God is the only metaphysical grounding which necessitates evil".
In normal language, they are claiming that if evil exists, God exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VutxI54Ik&index=13&list=PLMDgR9XqmpVR_JjcQbkcNYLmJI51otyso

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