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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #360 - January 13, 2015, 01:44 AM
    Quote from: Nikolaj on January 12, 2015, 10:08 PM
    Liberation (the French news paper which is assisting Charlie Hebdo with the production) has cleverly released the cover that will come out Wednesday:

    "All is forgiven"

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj58TavOIqg
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #361 - January 13, 2015, 01:49 AM
    Quote from: Nikolaj on January 12, 2015, 10:08 PM
    Liberation (the French news paper which is assisting Charlie Hebdo with the production) has cleverly released the cover that will come out Wednesday:

    "All is forgiven"

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    all things forgiven, that's a great cover
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #362 - January 13, 2015, 02:16 AM
    Ethical Question for Debate.

    Should it be considered bad manners, disrespectful, offensive, hateful or criminal to voice my strong objections to the idea that I deserve to be tortured forever?

    Discuss.
    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #363 - January 13, 2015, 05:21 AM
    Quote from: Qtian on January 12, 2015, 12:19 AM
    I ran into a dawah guy, he holds a masters in biochemistry & is head of a biology department at a secondary school. He also doesn't believe in human Evolution.


    Well as long he doesn't have a conflict of interest, that is to say that his religious views doesn't translate into his teaching of science, it shouldn't matter what his views are. Now if he had a conflict of interest, then that would be a different story.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #364 - January 13, 2015, 05:24 AM
    Quote from: Adey5 on January 13, 2015, 02:16 AM
    Ethical Question for Debate.

    Should it be considered bad manners, disrespectful, offensive, hateful or criminal to voice my strong objections to the idea that I deserve to be tortured forever?

    Discuss.


    As long as your strong objections doesn't involve violent behaviors that harm or threaten people's life.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #365 - January 13, 2015, 11:08 AM
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/ultra-orthodox-jewish-newspaper-edits-female-world-leaders-out-of-charlie-hebdo-march/

    Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Newspaper Edits Female World Leaders Out of Charlie Hebdo March
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #366 - January 13, 2015, 12:49 PM
    Quote from: Amoku on January 13, 2015, 11:08 AM
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/ultra-orthodox-jewish-newspaper-edits-female-world-leaders-out-of-charlie-hebdo-march/

    Ultra-Orthodox Jewish ......................[/b][/u]

    Such Male Rascals from  Judea/Christian/Arabian Pagan religious background that were present in the 7th century  are the reason,  why we have a religion called Islam. These scoundrels started Islam by erecting an unknown character as Prophet and they  wrote/copy pasted some nonsense in to a book  in his name way after the death a poor Arabian pagan (alleged Muhammad) who only said one thing through his life   that Christ or any one else can not be god or son of God.. and then he died or was killed by those Rascals..

    And.... And after killing him or after his death., All hell got loosed around Arabian desert in the name of Islam with warmongers and war lords running amok in the name of Islam.  The point is these SO-CALLED ORTHODOX RAG HEADS that I see in that link from every so-called religion is the reason why we have these troubles around the globe in 21st century..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #367 - January 13, 2015, 01:21 PM
    Everyone should have a right to offend, and Charlie Hebdo offending muslims is no exception. As I was telling all your mothers while I fucked her (and her and her...) in the arse last night!
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #368 - January 13, 2015, 02:05 PM
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/11342282/Rotterdams-mayor-tells-Muslims-to-pack-their-bags-and-go-if-they-dont-like-freedom.html

    Muslim mayor of Rotterdam tells Muslims that don't appreciate freedom of speech to "fuck off"
     
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #369 - January 13, 2015, 02:07 PM
    Well more like bugger off but the sentiment stands.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #370 - January 13, 2015, 02:16 PM
    Yeah. Uncle Google translates it as 'fuck off' or 'fuck you'. Redditors say that isn't not as harsh as the English literal translation, and that it would be closer to 'bugger off' or 'sod off'.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #371 - January 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
    Quote from: Amoku on January 13, 2015, 02:16 PM
    Yeah. Uncle Google translates it as 'fuck off' or 'fuck you'. ................


    Hmm.. Amoku  has interesting uncle .. Don't leave that  guy.. he is very important for you Amoku .,

     but I wonder how one would translate that in to other languages.. such as Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Punjabi.. Bengali and other 120 languages that Muslim folks are familiar with  aprt from English...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #372 - January 13, 2015, 03:55 PM
    I'd like to invite anyone who may be interested to participate in this thread http://www.secularcafe.org/showthread.php?t=32765 at Secular Café.

    I'd like to back up abu ali to the extent that while I totally support Charlie Hebdo's position on freedom of expression and have sometimes bought copies of the paper, it is not really to my (oh-so-British) taste. I do usually find the style of the cartoons ugly and crude. Because I live in a francophone part of the world, visit France regularly and have French friends, I understand the big difference of cultural traditions of France and Britain, so I know where Charlie Hebdo is coming from.
    Free speech is the source of most other freedoms
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #373 - January 13, 2015, 03:59 PM
    Yes, quite a few of us here have said we don't much care for it, either.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #374 - January 13, 2015, 04:03 PM
    Quote from: Amoku on January 12, 2015, 12:08 AM
    My Muslim friend has been going on about the 'free speech' hypocrisy since that day. Constantly bombarding me with messages saying but why not defend anti-semitism, why noy defend racism, why not defend holocaust denial.

    No matter how hard I try to reason with him, he just keeps going on and on and on.

      Most people who are in favour of freedom of expression do not support hate speech towards people.

    So I would say it's perfectly OK to attack or ridicule the political or religious opinions of anyone but not then to say that because you disagree with these opinions all tories/socialists/ukippers/Jews/Muslims/etc. are shit and deserve to be shot/beheaded/etc.
    Free speech is the source of most other freedoms
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #375 - January 13, 2015, 08:47 PM
    Report from +972 on Yoav Hattab, one of the victims of the supermarket siege
    http://972mag.com/yoav-hattab-son-of-chief-rabbi-of-tunis-died-a-hero-and-tunisian-patriot/101249/
    Which side are you on?
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #376 - January 13, 2015, 09:55 PM
    I'm having very intense debates over this.
    Freedom of speech's purpose is to talk about controversial stuff, being insulted or claiming it insights hate is not a reason to silence people.
    17 people have allegedly been killed, and this may sound selfish, but Palestinians are the most people suffering from media bias and and criticism of the jews in Europe is immediately silenced, I can say that speech control hurt the Palestinian cause, yet most of my friends are really arguing the need to ban criticism of Islam on the basis of hate speech, instead of recognizing hate speech laws are the laws preventing them from voicing their cause.
    Another frustrating argument I keep hearing is, white people are racist because of colonialism and crusades, when replying that Islamic state expanded by war, and later Ottoman's have conducted some genocides in east Europe, Caucuses and Levant, they called me racist and that Islamic conquests were fair and just expansions and the occupied people loved them.
    To me freedom of speech is sacred, if someone said something that caused unjust damage to other person, then he is liable for punitive damage in a court of law, subjects like holocaust denial for example can not be protected from history revisionism, what's the point? If their claim holds water then test it, Religions can NOT be protected from criticism, Islam is a very insulting religion to other religions (kill infidel, subjicate christians), calling people of the book donkeys carrying book, jews are monkeys and pigs, how can you claim mocking your religion offends you?
    I don't like the direction the society is moving to, people are content to give up their freedoms for the sake of fake protection to their idols.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #377 - January 13, 2015, 10:38 PM
    Quote from: Kodanshi on January 13, 2015, 01:21 PM
    Everyone should have a right to offend, and Charlie Hebdo offending muslims is no exception. As I was telling all your mothers while I fucked her (and her and her...) in the arse last night!


    Such lies!!!! It was her night off :p 

    Anyone planning on buying a copy?  I'm just looking up how to get one at the moment. 
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #378 - January 13, 2015, 10:47 PM
    Quote from: zeca on January 13, 2015, 08:47 PM
    Report from +972 on Yoav Hattab, one of the victims of the supermarket siege
    http://972mag.com/yoav-hattab-son-of-chief-rabbi-of-tunis-died-a-hero-and-tunisian-patriot/101249/


    RIP Yoav  Cry

  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #379 - January 13, 2015, 10:57 PM
    Quote from: khalils on January 13, 2015, 09:55 PM

    Another frustrating argument I keep hearing is, white people are racist because of colonialism and crusades, when replying that Islamic state expanded by war, and later Ottoman's have conducted some genocides in east Europe, Caucuses and Levant, they called me racist and that Islamic conquests were fair and just expansions and the occupied people loved them.

    Ask them if the Armenians loved the Ottomans. I have a son-in-law who is half Armenian and Half Palestinian by descent -- two nationalities who were dispossessed of their land and in the case of the Armenians almost wiped out.

    This book by the excellent human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson discusses the whole question of the Armenian genocide http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inconvenient-Genocide-Who-Remembers-Armenians-ebook/dp/B00O29FO10/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421189775&sr=1-1&keywords=geoffrey+robertson
    Free speech is the source of most other freedoms
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #380 - January 13, 2015, 11:01 PM
    You can criticise Jews. There is a great deal of criticism of Israel in the media. What you shouldn't do is advocate violence or suggest that any racial or religious group deserves hatred.
    Free speech is the source of most other freedoms
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #381 - January 13, 2015, 11:13 PM
    Quote from: khalils on January 13, 2015, 09:55 PM
    I'm having very intense debates over this.
    Freedom of speech's purpose is to talk about controversial stuff, being insulted or claiming it insights hate is not a reason to silence people.
    17 people have allegedly been killed, and this may sound selfish, but Palestinians are the most people suffering from media bias and and criticism of the jews in Europe is immediately silenced, I can say that speech control hurt the Palestinian cause, yet most of my friends are really arguing the need to ban criticism of Islam on the basis of hate speech, instead of recognizing hate speech laws are the laws preventing them from voicing their cause.
    Another frustrating argument I keep hearing is, white people are racist because of colonialism and crusades, when replying that Islamic state expanded by war, and later Ottoman's have conducted some genocides in east Europe, Caucuses and Levant, they called me racist and that Islamic conquests were fair and just expansions and the occupied people loved them.
    To me freedom of speech is sacred, if someone said something that caused unjust damage to other person, then he is liable for punitive damage in a court of law, subjects like holocaust denial for example can not be protected from history revisionism, what's the point? If their claim holds water then test it, Religions can NOT be protected from criticism, Islam is a very insulting religion to other religions (kill infidel, subjicate christians), calling people of the book donkeys carrying book, jews are monkeys and pigs, how can you claim mocking your religion offends you?
    I don't like the direction the society is moving to, people are content to give up their freedoms for the sake of fake protection to their idols.


    Tell them about the Almohad dynasty which had forced conversions, death or exile. There is also the Ghaznavids which were sent for the purpose of conquest from the beginning of the dynasty. Sacking of temple complex including the population which defended their temples. Heck the history of Islam and India is enough to turn me pale at the bloodshed.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #382 - January 14, 2015, 12:07 AM
    Quote from: _truth_ on January 13, 2015, 05:24 AM
    As long as your strong objections doesn't involve violent behaviors that harm or threaten people's life.


    Of course I wouldn't want to harm anyone or encourage anyone to, that goes without saying, I mean should I feel bad for expressing my dislike for the idea that I deserve to burn in hell forever? Real people do deserve protection, I agree but are supernatural supposedly omnipotent deities or absurd ideas to be immune from mockery? Is this what 21st Century society is saying?

    I am not personally threatened or scared of it as its obviously an empty threat but I do find it insulting even though it amounts to nothing, and I don't want to ban it, but I would like to reserve the right to speak out and object to the sentiment without being told I am being rude.

    I am very calm and nuanced with my objections, but sometimes I just wanna say "your god is a twat".

    I would like to hope that one day, the world might look back on some of these religions and say "what on earth were we thinking?"
    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #383 - January 14, 2015, 12:14 AM
    Quote from: DMB on January 13, 2015, 11:01 PM
    You can criticise Jews. There is a great deal of criticism of Israel in the media. What you shouldn't do is advocate violence or suggest that any racial or religious group deserves hatred.


    Of course I am not taking about denigrating whole societies of people. I mean I respect people for all sorts of reasons, but criticism of the god of the Torah is not being rude to Jews.

    If people were going around saying the man in the moon hates you and will give you a fatal disease that you deserve, calling that stupid and horrible is not being rude is it?

    I think people are better then their god. But how do you say that without offending them?
    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #384 - January 14, 2015, 03:12 AM
    Quote from: DMB on January 13, 2015, 11:01 PM
    You can criticise Jews. There is a great deal of criticism of Israel in the media. What you shouldn't do is advocate violence or suggest that any racial or religious group deserves hatred.


    Criticizing a government is not the same as criticizing an ethnic or cultural group.

    Judging an individual on the basis of what was done by others of the same nationality or skin color or mother tongue five hundred years ago is totally twisted.

    I did not even agree with the laws of my own country fifty years ago. No one asked me what I thought, and I was helpless to do anything about it, because I wasn't born yet.

    This is some messed up logic. Go ahead and argue history all you like, but don't use it to put the inheritors of it inside a box.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #385 - January 14, 2015, 02:23 PM
    So I post this: https://aralbalkan.com/notes/islam-is-privilege/

    Some guy responds like this:
    Quote
    Completely disagree. That whole view point stems from an ideology, yet is put forward as truth and allowed to stand separate and above. It is completely hypocritical.
    Western secularism is given the platform of being the only thing that is right, and everything else is tolerable only if it's done in the way that secularism allows. Secularism is an ideology, yet it is the one calling all the shots in the West.


    Typical.


        

  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #386 - January 14, 2015, 08:20 PM
    Jesus and Mo
    http://www.jesusandmo.net/2015/01/14/small/
    Which side are you on?
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #387 - January 14, 2015, 08:49 PM
    Turkish reprint of Charlie Hebdo sparks police raid
    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201501141424-0024488
    Which side are you on?
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #388 - January 14, 2015, 10:55 PM
    Quote from: zeca on January 14, 2015, 08:49 PM
    Turkish reprint of Charlie Hebdo sparks police raid
    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201501141424-0024488


    And in England  this is what happens on that Charlie Hebdo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRTZiKWs2pc

    Blasphemous cartoons’ reproduction ‘racist act’

    French magazine’s fresh anti-Islam insults flayed

    Why depicting Prophet Muhammad angers many Muslims
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #389 - January 14, 2015, 11:25 PM
    f********* cowards!

    I censored myself  Afro

    At least she's got hayya.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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