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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #60 - January 07, 2015, 10:18 PM
    RIP all of the  victims.


    A compilation of some of the magazine's best covers:

    http://deadstate.org/in-solidarity-with-charlie-hebdo-here-are-16-of-their-most-controversial-cartoons/
    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #61 - January 07, 2015, 10:27 PM


    Contribution by the Guardians Steve Bell

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-paris-attack-cartoon-bell?CMP=twt_gu



    Profile pic of Mohammed?

    http://www.theguardian.com/profile/stevebell

  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #62 - January 07, 2015, 11:31 PM
    Wonder if someone had a day off at The Guardian since those drawings haven't been censored?





    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-islam-prophet-muhammad
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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #63 - January 07, 2015, 11:39 PM
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #64 - January 07, 2015, 11:41 PM
    I have a far-left friend on FB who has told me these drawings are racist. What do you guys think? I tend to disagree but I am white and don't want to let my privilege blind me:



    the one on the top left says
    "It's so hard to be loved by assholes."
    and that's Muhammad himself speaking
    the one on the top right says
    "The life of muhammad" and "the debut of a prophet"
    the bottom left is a response to threats they got after the top left cartoon, it says "100 lashes if you don't die laughing!" and the final one is making fun of the situation in Egypt after the coup, an Islamist is cursing the quran for not stopping bullets
    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #65 - January 07, 2015, 11:43 PM
    In what way are they racist? I tend to want to know what people base their claims on, easier to make up your mind whether they're onto something or if they're full of shit Smiley
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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #66 - January 07, 2015, 11:45 PM
    Because they make fun of Muslims and Islam I guess. This guy is ultra-far-left. I appreciate him when he talks of class struggle but he is way out there on a lot of shit, he support the DPRK, China and even Putin, in the last case just because it seems to piss off the US.
    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #67 - January 07, 2015, 11:54 PM
    For making fun of Islam, no. Using exclusively exaggerated caricatures of people with gigantic curved noses and other features might be a different story, especially in some of the more tasteless comics I've seen kicking around the internet.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #68 - January 08, 2015, 12:07 AM
    Interesting point:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120710/charlie-hebdo-terrorist-attack-last-issue-fought-islamophobia
    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #69 - January 08, 2015, 12:12 AM
    Quote from: countjulian on January 07, 2015, 11:45 PM
    Because they make fun of Muslims and Islam I guess. This guy is ultra-far-left. I appreciate him when he talks of class struggle but he is way out there on a lot of shit, he support the DPRK, China and even Putin, in the last case just because it seems to piss off the US. in


    It's all about illogical anger with the U.S. It wasn't any different 25 years ago when I was active in my Trade Union. The far left "Socialist Worker Party" types used to support anyone that was against the U.S. Even, bizarrely, ultra right wing South American dictators. I suppose it's entirely in character if their descendants are supporting Islamic Extremists for the same reason. I did like them though, they were nice people and endless fun because they had no understanding of irony & sarcasm.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #70 - January 08, 2015, 12:13 AM


    French Vs.

    British papers ...



    Only one with a cartoon is the Indy
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #71 - January 08, 2015, 12:50 AM
    Quote from: lua on January 07, 2015, 11:54 PM
    For making fun of Islam, no. Using exclusively exaggerated caricatures of people with gigantic curved noses and other features might be a different story, especially in some of the more tasteless comics I've seen kicking around the internet.


    Do you think that any of these cross the line though? I think its quite clear that this publication holds a negative opinion of Muhammad, as it does with all religious figures. Certainly the artist would be within their limits to caricature in such a case.
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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #72 - January 08, 2015, 12:54 AM
    Quote from: countjulian on January 08, 2015, 12:07 AM
    Interesting point:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120710/charlie-hebdo-terrorist-attack-last-issue-fought-islamophobia

    Very good article.

    Easy to forget in all the fuss that Charlie Hebdo has spend decades ridiculing French politicians.

  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #73 - January 08, 2015, 01:03 AM
    Quote from: asbie on January 08, 2015, 12:50 AM
    Do you think that any of these cross the line though? I think its quite clear that this publication holds a negative opinion of Muhammad, as it does with all religious figures. Certainly the artist would be within their limits to caricature in such a case.


    Like Julian, I'm not exactly one to speak about where the line is. I just do know that I've found some (not these particular ones) to be very cringe-worthy, less when they're depicting Mohammad and more when it's just batches of Muslims they're commenting on, and could imagine why they might catch the accusation of being racist. But for criticizing Islam, never.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #74 - January 08, 2015, 01:18 AM
    I prefer the Canard, France's other satirical weekly. Charlie Hebdo always seemed a bit crude, and this was long before Muslims were even on their radar.

    But that's the house style. And the things they say need saying. More now than ever.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #75 - January 08, 2015, 01:22 AM
    Tacky done by Huffington post:

    Quote
    Muslims Around The World Condemn Charlie Hebdo Attack

    Muslims in France and around the world banded together on Wednesday to strongly condemn the deadliest terror attack the country has seen in the past two decades.

    Three masked gunmen stormed the Paris offices of Charlie Hebdo, a satirical magazine that has become notorious for its caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad. One of the men reportedly shouted “Allahu akbar” as they unleashed a barrage of bullets that left at least twelve dead.

    Muslim leaders and activists immediately denounced the terrorists actions, reiterating the verse in the Quran that tells Muslims when one kills just one innocent person, it is as if he has killed all of humanity.


    Well. Click that verse...
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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #76 - January 08, 2015, 01:27 AM
    Quote from: countjulian on January 07, 2015, 11:45 PM
    Because they make fun of Muslims and Islam I guess. This guy is ultra-far-left. I appreciate him when he talks of class struggle but he is way out there on a lot of shit, he support the DPRK, China and even Putin, in the last case just because it seems to piss off the US.


    Urghhhhh, I should be polite since I don't know him at all and shouldn't judge him blindly, but just URGHHHHHHHHH!! People living in the western world who supports China piss me off to no end. And he supports DPRK, seriously?!

    The need to be anti-USA can get really ridiculous sometimes.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #77 - January 08, 2015, 01:32 AM
    That old chestnut

  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #78 - January 08, 2015, 01:39 AM
     French police officials identified three men as suspects says news   http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30719057\
     




    Quote
    The three suspects have been named in a police document circulated to regional forces as Hamyd Mourad and brothers Said Kouachi and Cherif Kouachi.

    Media reports described Cherif Kouachi as a militant sentenced in 2008 to three years in prison for belonging to a group sending jihadist fighters to Iraq...........

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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #79 - January 08, 2015, 01:40 AM
    A lot of "left-wingers" and Muslims support Putin because he is considered "anti-imperialist" against the interests of "teh West".

    They totally ignore the 2nd Chechen war and him annexing Crimea  - which was "Muslim" until the 19th century, by the way - and Muslim Crimean tartars fleeing Russian aggression there because they feared for their life as they weren't considered "Russians" by the thugs there - the annexation totally in defiance of the agreement Russia and Ukraine made so Ukraine would hand over all its nuclear weapons to Russia and let them keep bases in Ukraine.

    I'm pretty far left-wing politically both economically, socially and with regards to authorities but man there is a lot of people giving us a bad name by being utter shitheads by defending the undefendable.
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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #80 - January 08, 2015, 01:48 AM
    Quote from: Tonyt on January 08, 2015, 01:32 AM
    That old chestnut

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Cheesy

    Well if read in the entirety the verse(s) actually say something else - which I think is kind of bold for Huffington Post to link to - mostly that they included 5:33 with the crucifixion and stuff. I have had Ahmadis (guess who? *cough*) wringing their hands over that without being able to condemn crucifixion as a punishment.
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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #81 - January 08, 2015, 01:53 AM
    Some of the stuff Muslims are saying on social media about Muhammad being tolerant and wonderful and how this violates the Quran and hadith and there is nothing in Islam that justifies this makes me want to puke

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #82 - January 08, 2015, 02:01 AM
    I'm convinced that many Muslims actually believe that - that that is their Islam. For them Islam means (a system for) social justice and fairness and being a good Muslim is being a good human and Muhammad was a great reformer sent by a benign god.

    Perhaps my far-leftism is showing here Tongue
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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #83 - January 08, 2015, 02:09 AM
    Yes many of them do think that, but just as many are wilfully disingenuous, and even those who do believe in the benign Muhammad are clouding the issue when clarity is needed. You can only be bewildered about how people are doing things bad while invested with authority by scripture and tradition and the example of Muhammad for so long without being part of the problem of silence over it
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #84 - January 08, 2015, 02:44 AM
    Well said, Billy the Kid.

    Youurs,
    Wyatt Burp
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #85 - January 08, 2015, 02:47 AM
    Quote from: Nikolaj on January 08, 2015, 02:01 AM
    I'm convinced that many Muslims actually believe that - that that is their Islam. For them Islam means (a system for) social justice and fairness and being a good Muslim is being a good human and Muhammad was a great reformer sent by a benign god.

    Perhaps my far-leftism is showing here Tongue


    The less Muslims know of Islam the better human beings they are.

    The full verses should be sent to every news agency out there. The verse isn't condemning the killing fo 'innocent people'. It justifies killing someone for 'spreading corruption'. What is the greatest corruption there is?

    To deny Allah and His Messenger.
    To besmirch Allah and His Messenger.

    And the following verse goes on to depict the most barbaric and tortorous punishments only a sadist would commit on someone else: crucifixion and amputation.

    Most Compassionate and Most Merciful my arse.
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  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #86 - January 08, 2015, 03:05 AM
    Quote from: lua on January 07, 2015, 11:54 PM
    For making fun of Islam, no. Using exclusively exaggerated caricatures of people with gigantic curved noses and other features might be a different story, especially in some of the more tasteless comics I've seen kicking around the internet.


    They are typical style for Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Everyone is portrayed as very ugly.
    Free speech is the source of most other freedoms
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #87 - January 08, 2015, 03:27 AM
    Because of 3 losers now, it will become even harder for regular Muslims or anybody that looks like them to live their lives in the west. These nut jobs are killing any chance of people living in peace. All Western newspapers should retaliate and draw Muhammad pictures.

    Normally I am against any torture but for these violent inhumane terrorists death by torture is the only answer.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #88 - January 08, 2015, 03:36 AM
    Quote from: DMB on January 08, 2015, 03:05 AM
    They are typical style for Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Everyone is portrayed as very ugly.

    Like I said, these particular ones weren't the ones making me clutch my pearls, but I do understand why some people would consider many comics poking fun at Muslims racist, depending. But not because of the criticism of Islam, but because many of them represent Muslims as ridiculous exaggerations of people with features we in the West typically associate with looking "Middle Eastern" and then depicting them as barbarians and dirty and primitive and what have you.

    If someone wanted to level that accusation at these cartoons, I'd at least be able to see where they are coming from, but if it's because, like countjulian suggested, they criticize Islam, I won't even entertain an accusation so absurd. It's simply not racism in any sense to criticize an idea.

    Anyway, yes, like David mentioned, it's not the issue right now. That this was brought up in the immediate aftermath at all points to attempts to confuse and distract from the issue and shift the blame to some degree onto the cartoonists. I reckon I shouldn't have tried to answer it, considering.
  • Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo
     Reply #89 - January 08, 2015, 03:41 AM
    Quote from: _truth_ on January 08, 2015, 03:27 AM
    Normally I am against any torture but for these violent inhumane terrorists death by torture is the only answer.


    Beware when fighting monsters, blah blah, you know the rest.
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