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  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     OP - January 14, 2015, 11:26 AM

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/charlie-hebdo-free-speech_b_6462584.html

    Your views...?
  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #1 - January 14, 2015, 11:40 AM

    You go first.
  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #2 - January 14, 2015, 01:09 PM

    http://thedailybanter.com/2015/01/ludicrous-take-charlie-hebdo-freedom-speech-far/
  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #3 - January 14, 2015, 01:37 PM

    excellent response.

    Its very poor from Mehdi Hasan

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #4 - January 14, 2015, 04:21 PM

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/charlie-hebdo-free-speech_b_6462584.html

    Your views...?

    Mehdi Hasan is the political director of the Huffington Post UK and a contributing writer for the New Statesman, where this article is crossposted

    My views on that is, After living so many years in a liberals society  that brain washed  baby Muslim that believes in stories of Islam has not changed. His mouth often  erupts with foul smells in support of Islam and Muhammad..

    Quote
    Dear liberal pundit,..............

    .................you're playing into their bloodstained hands by dividing and demonising. Us and them. The enlightened and liberal west v the backward, barbaric Muslims...........


    Mehdi Hasan .,  The ISLAMIC POLITICAL PUNDIT seem to use only Islamic sense and hide the common sense behind words like..

    Quote
    "run cartoons mocking the Holocaust? "  Can liberals do it?

    "run caricatures of the 9/11 victims falling from the twin towers?"   Can liberals do it?

     or statements like

    Quote
    Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"?

    After so many years living in liberal society, participating debates, the fool   doesn't realize that running cartoons or caricatures  or criticizing religions and mythical figures/stories of religions is not same as  victims 9/11 or victims of holocaust or victims of terror that is based upon religious rubbish.  

    No those cartoons are NOT demonizing Muslim folks but it does demonize those brutal rogues of Islam and mythical figures/stories of Islam.  And charlie-hebdo has done to all religions and all stories..

    well I don't have time to read rest of his apologetically framed words of that link..  

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  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #5 - January 14, 2015, 06:16 PM



    No thoughts...just a lot of vulgar Punjabi swear words colliding with one another in my brain.

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  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #6 - January 14, 2015, 06:24 PM



    Going to post that up here

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    Presenting the Most Absurd Take On Charlie Hebdo and Free Speech Yet

    Michael Luciano on January 13, 2015

    To those of you who’ve been defending freedom of speech, including the right of Charlie Hebdo to publish “blasphemous” cartoons, the political director of The Huffington Post UK has a message:

    “Please get a grip.”

    That is the advice of Mehdi Hasan in an open letter that begins, “Dear liberal pundit,” before it descends into a casserole of lies, strawmen, false equivalencies, and general babble. It is the latest iteration in a week-long series of editorials that can be filed under the I’m-all-for-free-speech-but category, whose population is far too large for comfort.

    Note how Hasan tries to muddy the waters:

    “Yes, the attack was an act of unquantifiable evil; an inexcusable and merciless murder of innocents. But was it really a ‘bid to assassinate’ free speech (ITV’s Mark Austin), to ‘desecrate’ our ideas of ‘free thought’ (Stephen Fry)? It was a crime — not an act of war – perpetrated by disaffected young men; radicalised not by drawings of the Prophet in Europe in 2006 or 2011, as it turns out, but by images of US torture in Iraq in 2004.”

    No one so far as I can tell has claimed the Kouachi brothers who attacked Charlie Hebdo were radicalized by cartoons, and it certainly may be the case that they were radicalized by the torture committed by the U.S. at Abu Ghraib prison. But what on Earth does this have to do with France, which vehemently opposed the Iraq war? More specifically, what does this have to do with cartoonists whose goal was simply to skewer sacred cows and make people think and laugh using the power of the pencil? To claim that the slaughter at Charlie Hebdo wasn’t an attack on free speech despite the fact that the murderers yelled, “The prophet has been avenged” after they finished killing, is an affront to truth.

    Hasan then breaks into a false equivalency so facile, it’s difficult not to be embarrassed for the entire Huffington Post UK staff. It’s worth quoting at length:

    “None of us believes in an untrammelled right to free speech. We all agree there are always going to be lines that, for the purposes of law and order, cannot be crossed; or for the purposes of taste and decency, should not be crossed. We differ only on where those lines should be drawn.

    “Has your publication, for example, run cartoons mocking the Holocaust? No? How about caricatures of the 9/11 victims falling from the twin towers? I didn’t think so (and I am glad it hasn’t). Consider also the ‘thought experiment” offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the ‘unity rally’ in Paris on 11 January ‘wearing a badge that said Je suis Chérif — the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. ‘How would the crowd have reacted?”

    Again, as far as I can tell, none of the “liberal pundits” defending the right of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons have or would advocate (government-sanctioned) suppression of Holocaust jokes, however repulsive they might find them. And if they did, they would be wrong. Beyond this, however, Hasan’s inability to tell the difference between mocking a religious figure who’s been dead for 1,400 years and making light of the victims of the single biggest atrocity in history perpetrated just 70 years ago is galling. As the saying goes, “Tragedy plus time equals comedy,” and I have no doubt that at some point the Holocaust will become acceptable comedy fodder, be it in 50 years or 500. And you can be assured that the Charlie Hebdos of the future will consider this monstrous episode fair game, and they will be right. Similar observations can be made about 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo massacre jokes.
    Back to Hasan’s deceptions:

    “When you say ‘Je suis Charlie‘, is that an endorsement of Charlie Hebdo‘s depiction of the French justice minister, Christiane Taubira, who is black, drawn as a monkey? Of crude caricatures of bulbous-nosed Arabs that must make Edward Said turn in his grave?”
    As Gawker has explained, the slain cartoonist Charb did in fact draw Christiane Taubira as a monkey. What Hasan and others critics leave out, however, is that the cartoon was a spoof advertisement for the far right National Front/Rassemblement Bleu Marine (“navy blue rally,” whose Facebook page had once featured a photo of Taubira juxtaposed with a photo of a monkey. This was Charb’s response:

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Charb changed the name of the party to “blue racist rally” and drew the National Front’s symbol on the lower left. Yes, he did draw Taubira as a monkey, but not because this is how he saw her, but how he thought the National Front views her and by extension other people of color. Unfortunately, Hasan couldn’t be bothered to note this, which would undermine his “point.”

    As for Hasan’s characerization of “bulbous-nosed Arabs that must make Edward Said turn in his grave,” that description weirdly resembles Jordan Weissmann’s critique in Slate in which he said that “the cartoonists simply rendered Islam’s founder as a hook-nosed wretch straight out of Edward Said’s nightmares.”

    Regardless, one of the hallmarks of Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons is the exaggerated nature of physical stereotypes. So when Hasan wonders what the reaction would be if the magazine had attacked Jews instead, he’s ignoring cartoons that depict them like this:

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Hasan then hints that the point of such cartoons is to critique racism, saying, “Lampooning racism by reproducing brazenly racist imagery is a pretty dubious satirical tactic.”

    Suey Park, eat your heart out. One would think that after last March’s #CancelColbert fiasco, we all learned that invoking racist imagery and stereotypes in such a way isn’t a “dubious satirical tactic,” but is instead satire, the definition of which is, “a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn.”

    If these cartoons aren’t satire, then satire does not exist.

    Next, Hasan plays the victim card:

    “Muslims, I guess, are expected to have thicker skins than their Christian and Jewish brethren. Context matters, too. You ask us to laugh at a cartoon of the Prophet while ignoring the vilification of Islam across the continent.”

    First of all, I expect Muslims to have as thick of a skin as Christians and Jews. Obviously, however, this expectation is too much, as we can all think of instances where artists were killed (Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, Theo Van Gogh) or quite seriously threatened with death (Kurt Westergaard, Salman Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali), or assaulted on camera (Lars Vilk) by outraged Muslims, not to mention the draconian blasphemy laws that reign in many Muslim-majority countries. The fact is, if you publish a cartoon mocking Jesus, you’re simply being irreverent. If you publish a cartoon of Muhammad, you may be putting your life in danger.

    Second of all, no one is asking Muslims to laugh at the cartoons, but it would be nice if people like the Kouachis didn’t go on homicidal rampages because Muhammad was “insulted.” Call me entitled, but this shouldn’t be too much to ask.

    Whether all of this is truly lost on Hasan or if his piece is indicative of willful deception isn’t clear. It’s immaterial, anyway. Hasan is right about one thing. Certainly, most people do not believe in an absolute right to free speech, and frequent exceptions tend to include defamation, clear incitement to violence, the proliferation and possession of child pornography, and so forth. However, drawings of Muhammad fit none of these categories, though they are peripherally related considering that Allah commanded Muslims to fight infidels, and that Muhammad slaughtered Jews and married a six year-old girl.

    And if Mehdi Hasan’s is correct, Muhammad literally rode into heaven on a winged horse.

    Read more at http://thedailybanter.com/2015/01/ludicrous-take-charlie-hebdo-freedom-speech-far/#14xuT2z8s9lHDhto.99

  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #7 - January 14, 2015, 06:28 PM



    Posting this one up here too

    Quote
    Mehdi Hasan

    As a Muslim, I'm Fed Up With the Hypocrisy of the Free Speech Fundamentalists

    Posted: 13/01/2015 14:53 GMT Updated: 13/01/2015 14:59 GMT

    Dear liberal pundit,

    You and I didn't like George W Bush. Remember his puerile declaration after 9/11 that "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists"? Yet now, in the wake of another horrific terrorist attack, you appear to have updated Dubya's slogan: either you are with free speech... or you are against it. Either vous êtes Charlie Hebdo... or you're a freedom-hating fanatic.

    I'm writing to you to make a simple request: please stop. You think you're defying the terrorists when, in reality, you're playing into their bloodstained hands by dividing and demonising. Us and them. The enlightened and liberal west v the backward, barbaric Muslims. The massacre in Paris on 7 January was, you keep telling us, an attack on free speech. The conservative former French president Nicolas Sarkozy agrees, calling it "a war declared on civilisation". So, too, does the liberal-left pin-up Jon Snow, who crassly tweeted about a "clash of civilisations" and referred to "Europe's belief in freedom of expression".

    In the midst of all the post-Paris grief, hypocrisy and hyperbole abounds. Yes, the attack was an act of unquantifiable evil; an inexcusable and merciless murder of innocents. But was it really a "bid to assassinate" free speech (ITV's Mark Austin), to "desecrate" our ideas of "free thought" (Stephen Fry)? It was a crime - not an act of war - perpetrated by disaffected young men; radicalised not by drawings of the Prophet in Europe in 2006 or 2011, as it turns out, but by images of US torture in Iraq in 2004.

    Please get a grip. None of us believes in an untrammelled right to free speech. We all agree there are always going to be lines that, for the purposes of law and order, cannot be crossed; or for the purposes of taste and decency, should not be crossed. We differ only on where those lines should be drawn.

    Has your publication, for example, run cartoons mocking the Holocaust? No? How about caricatures of the 9/11 victims falling from the twin towers? I didn't think so (and I am glad it hasn't). Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"?

    Let's be clear: I agree there is no justification whatsoever for gunning down journalists or cartoonists. I disagree with your seeming view that the right to offend comes with no corresponding responsibility; and I do not believe that a right to offend automatically translates into a duty to offend.

    When you say "Je suis Charlie", is that an endorsement of Charlie Hebdo's depiction of the French justice minister, Christiane Taubira, who is black, drawn as a monkey? Of crude caricatures of bulbous-nosed Arabs that must make Edward Said turn in his grave?

    Lampooning racism by reproducing brazenly racist imagery is a pretty dubious satirical tactic. Also, as the former Charlie Hebdo journalist Olivier Cyran argued in 2013, an "Islamophobic neurosis gradually took over" the magazine after 9/11, which then effectively endorsed attacks on "members of a minority religion with no influence in the corridors of power".

    It's for these reasons that I can't "be", don't want to "be", Charlie - if anything, we should want to be Ahmed, the Muslim policeman who was killed while protecting the magazine's right to exist. As the novelist Teju Cole has observed, "It is possible to defend the right to obscene... speech without promoting or sponsoring the content of that speech."

    And why have you been so silent on the glaring double standards? Did you not know that Charlie Hebdo sacked the veteran French cartoonist Maurice Sinet in 2008 for making an allegedly anti-Semitic remark? Were you not aware that Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that published caricatures of the Prophet in 2005, reportedly rejected cartoons mocking Christ because they would "provoke an outcry" and proudly declared it would "in no circumstances... publish Holocaust cartoons"?

    Muslims, I guess, are expected to have thicker skins than their Christian and Jewish brethren. Context matters, too. You ask us to laugh at a cartoon of the Prophet while ignoring the vilification of Islam across the continent (have you visited Germany lately?) and the widespread discrimination against Muslims in education, employment and public life - especially in France. You ask Muslims to denounce a handful of extremists as an existential threat to free speech while turning a blind eye to the much bigger threat to it posed by our elected leaders.

    Does it not bother you to see Barack Obama - who demanded that Yemen keep the anti-drone journalist Abdulelah Haider Shaye behind bars, after he was convicted on "terrorism-related charges" in a kangaroo court - jump on the free speech ban wagon? Weren't you sickened to see Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of a country that was responsible for the killing of seven journalists in Gaza in 2014, attend the "unity rally" in Paris? Bibi was joined by Angela Merkel, chancellor of a country where Holocaust denial is punishable by up to five years in prison, and David Cameron, who wants to ban non-violent "extremists" committed to the "overthrow of democracy" from appearing on television.

    Then there are your readers. Will you have a word with them, please? According to a 2011 YouGov poll, 82% of voters backed the prosecution of protesters who set fire to poppies.

    Apparently, it isn't just Muslims who get offended.

    Yours faithfully,

    Mehdi

  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #8 - January 14, 2015, 07:21 PM

    Posting this one up here too


    why all that pasting nonsense Lilyesque? it is from  same link and same as  that off opening post..

    No thoughts...just a lot of vulgar Punjabi swear words colliding with one another in my brain.

     finmad  finmad  finmad

    That is no use. I don't think he understand a word of Punjabi gali..,   that mehndi H ass an is an Indian   Muslim guy/back ground(Shia??). Fairly certain he must be from somewhere between West Bengal of India and Bangladesh..


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #9 - January 14, 2015, 07:27 PM

    why all that pasting nonsense Lilyesque? it is from  same link and same as  that off opening post..
    That is no use. I don't think he understand a word of Punjabi gali..,   that mehndi H ass an is an Indian   Muslim guy/back ground(Shia??). Fairly certain he must be from somewhere between West Bengal of India and Bangladesh..




    Posting up here cause they may be removed in the future from their host sites so if post up here then they can still be found and cited in the future!
  • Mehdi Hasan's latest article
     Reply #10 - January 14, 2015, 07:45 PM

    Posting up here cause they may be removed in the future ........

    well that is a news link it will be there/stored  at least next 10 years ..Anyways., for those fools who think like that  mehndi H-ass-an., irrespective of their religious background, an ideal response for such offensive  cartoons(offesnsiev to faith heads)    is simply to ignore them. Or open sites go to web and write about their respective prophets and explain/educate the public how great the prophet's were or was...

    Charlie Hebdo's work was simply living up to their belief/motto  "that nothing is sacred" and nothing is unquestionable And it is absurd to think  that the last week   brutal acts in France is nothing to do with religion.

    and let me add these old links of what Stéphane Charbonnier, editor in chief of Charlie Hebdo said on Muhammad's (THIS MUHAMMAD IS NOT PROPHET OF ISLAM)  cartoons



    http://www.aljazeera.com/video/europe/2012/09/2012920162020148120.html

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-charlie-hebdo-affair-laughing-at-blasphemy

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/charlie-hebdo-editor-in-chief-on-muhammad-cartoons-a-856891.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqetKpsuIq4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjM36w_X-N4

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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