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  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     OP - February 17, 2015, 03:23 PM
    I think it's safe to say that most of us here have heard of this dawahgandist trope: that the majority of converts to islam are women. The point is often brought up when an accusation of islam being oppresive towards women arises. Now, why then, is this so?

    if we take the statement "the majority of converts to islam are women", then it is also true that the minority of converts to islam are men! Those who seek an answer to the phenomenon phrased the question wrong. Rather than asking "why the majority of converts to Islam are women", they should be asking: "why do men make up the minority of converts to Islam?"

    The answer is: it's because they have to be circumcised! Most of the kuffar men are uncircumcised, thus require a circumcision if they convert. Having a knife that sharp cutting a piece of flesh (skin is flesh) way too near to that organ must scare the uncircumcised.

    thus the initial question is answered.
    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #1 - February 17, 2015, 03:30 PM
    Plenty of Muslims are not circumcised. Its not such a big deal that you have to do it in adulthood, I don't think although maybe there's a hadith that proves me wrong.  Grin

    Also I've never seen a source for the claim that the majority of converts to Islam are women. In America at least I know that many converts are/were in the prison system, and that population is predominantly male, so...
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
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  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #2 - February 17, 2015, 03:34 PM
    Grin At least over here, plenty of non-Muslim men are circumcised already.
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #3 - February 17, 2015, 03:48 PM
    Quote from: asbie on February 17, 2015, 03:30 PM
    Plenty of Muslims are not circumcised. Its not such a big deal that you have to do it in adulthood, I don't think although maybe there's a hadith that proves me wrong.  Grin

    but it's fard though

    Quote
    Also I've never seen a source for the claim that the majority of converts to Islam are women. In America at least I know that many converts are/were in the prison system, and that population is predominantly male, so...

    i hear dawah people say it all the time. Since they're so brazen about it i figured it's real

    Quote from: lua on February 17, 2015, 03:34 PM
    Grin At least over here, plenty of non-Muslim men are circumcised already.

    Yeah but there's plenty who aren't too, right?
    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #4 - February 17, 2015, 03:50 PM
    Quote from: kephas on February 17, 2015, 03:48 PM
    i hear dawah people say it all the time. Since they're so brazen about it i figured it's real


    Oh dear. That's the entire modality in which they operate. Pray you never open the door to a salesman.
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  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #5 - February 17, 2015, 03:54 PM
    Quote from: asbie on February 17, 2015, 03:50 PM
    Oh dear. That's the entire modality in which they operate. Pray you never open the door to a salesman.

    lol. I don't trust most of the stuff they say. But this one statistic they always bring up. I don't think anyone's called them out on it yet. Thus my presumption of it being true.
    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #6 - February 17, 2015, 04:45 PM
    Most of the converts are women, but funnily enough most of the hellbound people are women too. Interesting. It's almost as though they're not 'proper' muslims or something… Grin
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #7 - February 17, 2015, 05:09 PM
    "Islam liberates and empowers woman. Don't you know the first modern university was founded by a Muslim woman a thousand years before women in the West were allowed by the men to go to university? Jaddah jaddah jaddah.

    Oh - and FGM is NOT an Islamic practice. Only black Africans do that. Like those Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia. Look here. You're Christian too? GOSH I hope you are intact! Christianity really hates women!"
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  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #8 - February 17, 2015, 05:54 PM
    Because Islam has such a poor reputation when it comes to women, the Einsteins of dawah have had to devote much time developing apolegetics specifically targeting them.  Islam is offered as the solution to any kind of gender issues they may face in the secular west, and a reasonable amount buy it.

    A white (and preferably blonde), western, educated convert is the ultimate proof that Islam is not sexist. They are a valuable prize for a dawah pusher.

    The fact that (only) men can marry 'people of the book', could also be a factor.

  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #9 - February 17, 2015, 06:37 PM
    I think a better question is, ''Why do the majority of Islamic converts leave within the first five years?''
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #10 - February 17, 2015, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on February 17, 2015, 05:54 PM
    A white (and preferably blonde), western, educated convert is the ultimate proof that Islam is not sexist. They are a valuable prize for a dawah pusher.




    Anne Rytter. Danish convert to Islam. Because Islam means freedom. From an obscure but vocal trotskyist group (which actually got hit by terror in 1992 where a young father got killed by a bomb - the police fucked up the investigation and the case has never been solved however as the group was left-wing it was of course hinted that he was making the bomb himself which is absolutely ludicrous). Of course their name is Internationale Socialister shortened to IS grin12

    EDIT: Bummer. Now I actually looked into more about her so she no longer fits what I wanted her to fit. Reality destroyed my narrative.

    She describes herself as a secular Muslim and isn't pushing her Muslim-ness. She is married to a Muslim man from Somalia.

    So not really dawahganda material.
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  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #11 - February 17, 2015, 07:16 PM
    Not just blonde and female, but also a scientist. I presume she has at least a couple of Nobel Prizes.
    You may struggle to understand her very thick Czech accent.

    "Czech Scientist Woman Converted to Islam"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dh1LoB_vsE




  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #12 - February 17, 2015, 10:17 PM
    Mostly cause of marriage conversions imo. Most Muslim parents still wouldn't agree to a daughter marrying a male convert imo.
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #13 - February 18, 2015, 12:49 AM
    Yeah, I know a lot of girls who converted for their boyfriends/husbands. Some who just converted after hanging out with a bunch of Muslim guys at the university and getting a rosy picture of their potential as a Muslim woman painted for them.

    Also, to give a real but cynical answer: I think some American female converts seem to find Islam appealing for very shallow reasons where the appeal is more of the lifestyle, more of some structure or some edge,  coupled with a flattering TL;DR of the theology and tales of how precious the women are. Not to mention the thrill of jumping ship to the mysterious side, to the "enemies" that a lot of us were raised to fear, and almost, in some inadvertently condescending way, defending them.
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #14 - February 18, 2015, 12:59 AM
    Most girls I met here in Denmark that converted to Islam either did it because of a boyfriend/husband or because they come from "troubled" families. Many of my sisters friends who converted come from families with abuse, alcoholism and neglect, and they all yearn to belong to something that gives meaning to them. They get invited to my parents home at Ramadan to break the fast with us, they enjoy being called sister at the local mosque and finally having someone who cares about you. And all of them leave Islam again after a few years. Only one of the girls I knew remained a Muslim until now but she did take off the hijab again.
    You are the Universe, Expressing itself as a Human for a little while- Eckhart Tolle
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #15 - February 18, 2015, 07:38 AM
    My own experience tell me that women who dated and married Muslim men during the 80's and 90's were the majority of women who later on converted to Islam and made up the "convert" demographic up until the early 00's. Some of them, a very few, still continue to this day to be Muslim by name only. But the majority of them, even those who deep down knew they only converted for their men, developed some Stockholm syndrome and most often became even more religious than their husbands (or if the whole family underwent some spiritual reformation). I even heard a lot of Muslim women who had been Muslim for 10 years or so at the time I converted (10 years ago), "I converted for my husband, but I'm Muslim today for the sake of allah". Whatever.

    But what I've seen from young women during 00´s and forward is that most of them convert because they actually searched for "answers". Some of them were perhaps introduced to Islam by boyfriends, my former best friend was, but the guys were very quickly dumped when the girl became religious and then went for some real good Muslim brothers instead. Some of them came from normal families, but they often maintained some kind of moderation and didn't dress "Muslim" enough or lived "Muslim" enough and compromised Islam in a lot of ways. At least that was my impression of them, and you all know I was a hard core purist sunni Muslim woman  grin12

    Most of the women who went into Islam full-time were women and girls who had some kind of troubled pasts in one way or the other. Even I fit into that narrative, dysfunctional family background searching for answer and finding the world to be meaningless and without purpose. Shallow and underwhelming.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #16 - February 18, 2015, 08:18 AM
    All I want to know is whether books like this are ever successful -  all they seem to do is treat their apparent audience as, well, somewhat challenged..
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #17 - February 18, 2015, 08:25 AM
    It's used for dawaganda, and it's supposed to strengthen Muslims' imaan. Look, more and more women are accepting Islam, aren't you happy with your decision? All these women can't be wrong, right? Right!? Right!?

    I vaguely remember that I also felt some weird satisfaction when people converted, and if they were women I somehow thought that all the trouble and discomfort I felt being a Muslim woman must just be in my head or whispers of shaytan because these women seemed satisfied with their lot in life. Or something like that.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #18 - February 19, 2015, 01:15 AM
    I heard a few months back most female converts are white women at an average age of 27. So, you're feeling an end to youth, you still don't feel happy with your life and 30 is staring you in the face, Maybe try islam? The boys seem to love me and it sounds so awesome. Am I far off I wonder?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #19 - February 19, 2015, 03:02 AM
    I converted upon reaching adulthood. I would come less from a troubled background than most of my friends did growing up.
    I might have been neglected, though. It would be a matter of opinion.
    I did not convert for my husband at the time, though he was Muslim (if not practicing). He probably would have liked me a lot better had I never converted, actually.
    I converted because the propaganda was great and I believed it. The book room at the masjid was fantastic. Tons on environmentalism, even. God is benevolent, blah blah.
    I think I liked the structure, too. And being told over and over that I would be a part of a community, just instantly, was very attractive.
    It took me a few years to figure out that Book Islam was not Real Islam. Then a few more years to figure out that it wasn't about which Islam was True Islam, because Original Islam was crappy enough to cause faults in whatever was built over it. Like an ancient but imperfect foundation will crack a beautiful wall, a strong wall, any fucking wall you put up on it. Just so flawed that it was good for nothing at all.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #20 - February 19, 2015, 05:49 AM
    I was always baffled!  Huh? Here I was a 'muslimah', secretly hating all that islam stood for and how it treated women, and here they were, a bunch of woman brought up in western liberal civilization, all wanting to be dominated by muslim men. All willing to trade their freedom for submission.

    I joined a FB group couple of years back called "my muslim husband" It was predominantly Brit women married to Tunisian/Egyptian/Algerian men. I joined because two sides of the same coin, right? I am married to a Brit, except I was the muslim and the woman.

    Anywho, there were several posts about hijab/husband wants this and that/how do I become more 'muslim' etc.  But there was one woman seeking advice about her abusive husband. So (being the loud mouth I am), I raised the above sentiment/question asking her 'why trade your western values for such abuse'. Needless to say I was bombarded with stereotypical attacks on how a 'traitor' I am. I was kicked out and told that according to Islam what I was doing was 'haram' as I have married a non-Muslim. It was a harsh rejection Cry

    BTW, I am still baffled Huh? Huh?
    Tired of the bull-shit. I write my own doctrines.
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #21 - February 19, 2015, 07:16 AM
    This isn't ONLY true of Islam, it's true of just about all religions. Men tend to be less religious than women. Probably because, at least historically, they had better access to education and less to lose (a woman is less likely to hand her husband over to the Inquisition or the like because it would leave her financially vulnerable or to divorce him for losing his faith, especially if she CAN'T legally divorce him). Those things are starting to equalize, in most places, but in many families the man is still a necessary financial partner and separating from him can have adverse social or economic effects.

    With regards to religions or cults where the god or prophet is perceived a powerful male figure, men are more likely to feel emasculated or threatened by the power figure, while women are more likely to have daddy issues or other issues (like hybristophilia--aka Bonny and Clyde syndrome) that lead them to seek out a powerful male figure to give them love and guidance. So men are more likely to challenge the power figure, while women are more likely to cling to him. Even if the man doesn't challenge the power figure, he is more likely to be seen as a threat by other more powerful males and ostracized or driven away, especially in groups that allow polygamy--this is much more obvious where the polygamy is unchecked, as in the Mormon break-off group the FLDS.
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  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #22 - February 19, 2015, 09:58 AM
    I converted as a student, 2 years before considering marriage. I had the troubled background, violent parent, bullied at school, i wasnt seeking the appeal of the islamic community, sisterhood etc, for me it was about finding a purpose to life because at that time there was none whatsoever.
    I only later married my ex because he wanted to travel and live in many countries, we had a shared interest.   

    I did however hear a lot of talk between women that they converted to Islam because they were seeking the security of a traditional marriage that would last a lifetime.  With the strict laws on adultery they believed they were guaranteed a trustworthy husband and felt that a western man would cheat down the line and the marriage would last only a couple of years and end in affairs or divorce.   They forgot to consider polygamy though and came to realise that their Islamic marriage was less secure than a western marriage and every girl that their husband talked to, smiled at was a potential threat.

    There's also the appeal of feminism in Islam that attract the female converts but it's more written about than actually practiced. (understatement)

  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #23 - February 19, 2015, 10:03 AM
    I was just 17, but most of my convert friends were around 19-24 years at the time of conversion. Most were just in the beginning of their 20's.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #24 - February 19, 2015, 10:22 AM
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    There's also the appeal of feminism in Islam that attract the female converts but it's more written about than actually practiced.


    Feminism and Islam cannot be in the same sentence for me.

    Definition of feminism ---> "the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities"

    There is no feminism is Islam: the very tenet of obsessively trying to control women's sexuality, insisting on modesty and preservation of 'aura' - of which are exclusively expected of women alone, - goes against feminism. Converts are given the half-truth of the so called "janah beneath her feet" hogwash, and yes they do buy into it.

    Tired of the bull-shit. I write my own doctrines.
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #25 - February 19, 2015, 10:24 AM
    Completely agree.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #26 - February 19, 2015, 11:43 AM
    I agree with the guy who completely agreed with what anti-bullshit said about feminism in Islam being bullshit though I did read some where that Muhammad was a feminist so I may upon reflection have to disagree with the bullshit and completely disagree with the guy I had once found myself agreeing with.

    http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,185647,00.html

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #27 - February 19, 2015, 12:20 PM
     clap
    Tired of the bull-shit. I write my own doctrines.
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #28 - February 19, 2015, 12:49 PM
    Quote from: Anti-bulshit on February 19, 2015, 10:22 AM
    Feminism and Islam cannot be in the same sentence for me.

    Definition of feminism ---> "the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities"

    There is no feminism is Islam: the very tenet of obsessively trying to control women's sexuality, insisting on modesty and preservation of 'aura' - of which are exclusively expected of women alone, - goes against feminism. Converts are given the half-truth of the so called "janah beneath her feet" hogwash, and yes they do buy into it.




    Hey yep, sadly it's what were sold as potential female converts, i bought into it too, soon to realise that what was suppose to liberate - the hijab, and let's not forget the womans right to have two living rooms (if youre lucky to have two in your home that is lol otherwise it's settling for a hard stool in the kitchen) one room for the guys and one for girls, wow such liberty, i was now freee lol wacko    There's a whole book dedicated to this forgot the name though, its been a long time, think it's "womens rights in Islam"
  • Why the majority of converts to Islam are women
     Reply #29 - February 19, 2015, 12:54 PM
    Quote from: suki on February 19, 2015, 12:49 PM
    Hey yep, sadly it's what were sold as potential female converts, i bought into it too, soon to realise that what was suppose to liberate - the hijab, and let's not forget the womans right to have two living rooms (if youre lucky to have two in your home that is lol otherwise it's settling for a hard stool in the kitchen) one room for the guys and one for girls, wow such liberty, i was now freee lol wacko    There's a whole book dedicated to this forgot the name though, its been a long time, think it's "womens "rights" in Islam"


    Corrected it for you!  Tongue
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