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  • Hadith Qudsi and Islam...
     OP - February 19, 2015, 08:10 PM

    Hadith Qudsi  and Islam...   well let us read and learn something about Hadith Qudsi  from Islamic Bulletin

    What is hadith qudsi?

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    For a study of Islam, the Qur'an and Hadith are the two primary textual sources. The Qur'an is the paramount source of which every word was revealed to the Prophet Mohammed. Hadith literally means a narrative and as the second primary source for Islam, it means prophetic narrative. That is, a report of what the Prophet (pbuh) said or did. His sayings and deeds were later narrated by his companions to their disciples and so on until these narratives were assembled and recorded in the second, third, and fourth centuries of Islam by a number of hadith scholars.

    Unlike Qur'an, Hadith is not the Word of God. It is nevertheless an expression of Divine revelation, for when Mohammed (pbuh) spoke as the Prophet of God, "he did not speak from his own mind". Hadith Qudsi, however, is a report of what God said, though not necessarily in His Words. The Divine authority in the context of the Hadith Qudsi gives this group of Hadith a special spiritual character and significance to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. For a more in-depth study of Hadith Qudsi, there are a number of volumes available for the serious scholar. We have brought a few of the Hadith Qudsi together here merely for your enjoyment of the beauty of these narratives.


    well that is what it is "Hadith Qudsi"  The Sacred Hadith...   but...but  I consider all Hadith is Bullshit ..

    sorry.... any way we will read some hadith  Qudsi in this folder..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Hadith Qudsi and Islam...
     Reply #1 - February 19, 2015, 09:52 PM

    Hajji Yeezy fire away please...but if you can share which is the Hadith you consider the most interesting/baffling and why.

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  • Hadith Qudsi and Islam...
     Reply #2 - February 20, 2015, 01:12 AM

    I had a notion once upon a time that some hadith qudsi might reflect "prophetic logia" - they were words of God remembered from the Prophetic texts, but not necessarily from THE prophet.

    For instance Yehuda Nevo found an Arabic monotheistic inscription that mined (trito)Isaiah 66:1 - "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool": “Towards a Prehistory of Islam”, JSAI 17 (1994), 108-41 as facsimile 1.14. There's naught like this in the Qur'an (it's too anthropomorphic to have passed the censors) but it certainly was floating around first-century sermons.

    I don't know if Isaiah 66:1 entered the Hadith but I *do* know that Isaiah 64:4 entered it - "what no eye has seen and no ear heard". Muslim, Saḥîḥ tr. Siddiqui (1976), 1.363.
  • Hadith Qudsi and Islam...
     Reply #3 - February 20, 2015, 02:52 AM

    For instance Yehuda Nevo found an Arabic monotheistic inscription that mined (trito)Isaiah 66:1 - "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool": "Towards a Prehistory of Islam", JSAI 17 (1994), 108-41 as facsimile 1.14. There's naught like this in the Qur'an (it's too anthropomorphic to have passed the censors) but it certainly was floating around first-century sermons.

    it sounds similar to the koranic verse 2:255: "and his Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth". Kursi is often translated as "throne" or "footstool".

    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Hadith Qudsi and Islam...
     Reply #4 - February 20, 2015, 03:44 AM

    I forgot about the Kursi-verse. Good point.

    Note that Khalid bin Humran, the guy who did the graffito, didn't have it in mind either. The word used in this graffito is 'arsh; the more-usual Qur'anic term for throne. "His footstool" is calqued موضع قدمه.
  • Hadith Qudsi and Islam...
     Reply #5 - February 21, 2015, 04:36 PM

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    I had a notion once upon a time that some hadith qudsi might reflect "prophetic logia" - they were words of God remembered from the Prophetic texts, but not necessarily from THE prophet.
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    For instance Yehuda Nevo found an Arabic monotheistic inscription that mined (trito)Isaiah 66:1 - "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool": “Towards a Prehistory of Is

     lam”,  


     
    it sounds similar to the koranic verse 2:255: "and his Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth". Kursi is often translated as "throne" or "footstool".

    ...the Kursi-verse............


    well three posts of Zimriel & kephas are the most important posts i have ever read on so-called Scripture/s of Islam in CEMB forum. Origins of   Kursi  of allah of verse 2:255  & Hadith Qudsi will be very interesting to explore but one has to very careful to attribute the origins.  So before I go to that allah kursi verse,  let me add some Hadith Qudsi.. and they are fairly simple statements and they are just 40 of them.  But there are problems..  Let me add the links where they are coming from and then we read them one by one..

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      Ahadith Qudsi (Sacred Hadith) from camberley mosque .uk

    Hadith Qudsi/Sacred Hadith from sand land translated by Sayd Masood ul-Hassan revised by Ibrahim  Kunna and Published from Darussalam  SAND LAND

    Forty Hadith Qudsi,  a pdf file from some Swedish site

    Hadith Qudsi 1 to 40  from University of South Carolina US of A


    well there are plenty of open links on web., anyways let me put those 40 hadiths here..

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    Hadith no: 1   Narrated / Authority of: Abu Dhar:

    Allah's Messenger said that Allah said: He who comes with a good deed, its reward will be ten like that or even more. And he who comes with vice, his reward will be only one like that, or I can forgive him. He who draws close to Me a hand's span, I will draw close to him an arm's length. And whoever draws near Me an arm's length, I will draw near him a fathom's length. And whoever comes to Me walking, I will go to him running. And whoever faces Me with sins nearly as great as the earth, I will meet him with forgiveness nearly as great as that, provided he does not worship something with me. (This Hadith is sound and reported by Muslim, Ibn Majah and Ahmad in his Musnad). Another prophetic tradition says: (He who met Allah associating anything with Him, will enter Hell) (Muslim)

    Hadith no: 2  Narrated / Authority of: Abu Said Al-Khudri:

    Allah's Messenger (SAW) said: None of you will have argued for his right in the world more vehemently than the believers who will do with their Lord about their brethren who were admitted into Hell. The Prophet (SAW) added: They will say: O Lord! Our brethren used to offer prayers with us, observe fast with us and perform pilgrimage (Hajj) with us. But You cast them into fire. The Prophet (SAW) further said: Allah will say: Go and bring out whoever you know from amongst them. The Prophet (SAW) said: The believers will come to them and recognize them by face. Some of them will be those the fire would have seized up to half of their shanks and some of them up to their ankles. They will bring them and say: O Lord! We have taken out those for whom you gave us order. Then the Prophet (SAW) said: Allah will say: Bring out whoever has in his heart any belief weighing a Dinar (a coin). Then He will say: Take out whoever has in his heart the belief weighing half a Dinar until He will say: Take out whoever has in his heart the belief that equals the weight of an atom. (This Hadith is sound and reported by Nasai and Ibn Majah). After narrating this Hadith, Abu Sa'id said: He who does not accept it as true should read this verse: "Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin." (4:48)

    Hadith no: 3  Narrated / Authority of: Abu Huraira:

    that Prophet (SAW) Muhammad said: On the Day of Resurrection, Ibrahim (Abraham) will see his father Azar (in such a pitiable condition) that his face will be dark and covered with dust. Then Ibrahim will remind him: Did I not warn you against denying me? His father will reply: Today I will not deny you. Then, Ibrahim will say: 0 Lord! You have promised not to disgrace me on the Day of Resurrection. So what will be more disgraceful to me than my wretched father. Allah will say: I have forbidden Paradise for disbelievers. Then it will be said: 0 Ibrahim, Look! what is underneath your feet? He will look and see his father as a Hyena besmeared with dirt caught by the legs and thrown into Hell. Due to infidelity, Azar will not be forgiven inspite of his son Ibrahim's intercession for him and he will be transformed into an animal and cast into Hell. It also proves that the pagans whoever they are by kinship, will be forbidden from entering Paradise for ever. They will remain in Hell and suffer the agonies of torment which they had been frightened of by the Messengers of Allah at different times.

    Hadith no: 4  Narrated / Authority of: Anas bin Malik:

    on the authority of the Prophet (SAW), who said: Allah (SWT) will say to the least tormented person among the people of Hell on the Day of Resurrection: Do you have any thing on earth, that you would give as a ransom (to protect yourself against the torment of Fire)? He will say: Yes. Then Allah will say: While you were in the backbone of Adam, I had demanded you much less than that, i.e. to associate nothing with Me; but you declined and worshipped others besides Me. (This Hadith is sound and reported by Bukhari and Muslim). This Hadith concludes that a believer with his sins covering the entire globe will be forgiven so long as he does not associate partners to Allah.

    Hadith no: 5  Narrated / Authority of: Mahmud bin Labid

    Allah's Messenger (PBUH) said: The most dreadful thing which I fear about you is minor polytheism. The companions asked: What is the minor polytheism? He said: It is hypocrisy; and he added that on the Day of Judgment, when rewarding people for their deeds, Allah (SWT) will say to the hypocrites: Go to those for the sake of whom you used to perform good deeds; and see whether you can get any reward from them. (This Hadith is sound and mentioned in Musnad Ahmad).

    Hadith no: 6  Narrated / Authority of: Abu Huraira

    Allah's Messenger (PBUH) said: Allah (SWT) said: Among all partners, I am the most dispensable with association. So anyone who performs a deed in which he ascribes to Me others; I will abandon him and his act of polytheism. (This Hadith is sound and reported by Muslim). Shirk (polytheism) is a sin that if its doer dies without repentance, he will never be forgiven. Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, Allah has forbidden Paradise for him; and the Fire will be his abode.

    Hadith no: 7  Narrated / Authority of: Abu Huraira

    I heard Allah's Messenger (PBUH) saying: The first of the people whose case will be decided on the Day of Judgment will be a man who died as a martyr. He will be brought forth. Allah will make him know about His blessings (which He had bestowed on him in the world). The man will acknowledge them. Then Allah will ask him: What did you do with them? He will say: I fought in Your way until I died as a martyr. Allah will remark: You are lying. You fought so that you may be called a brave warrior. Then orders will be passed against him. So he will be dragged along on his face and cast into Hell. Second will be a man who studied (religious) knowledge. Then he taught it to others and recited the Qur' an. He will be brought (for Judgment). Allah will remind him of His favours (showered on him in the world). He will admit them (having enjoyed them in his life). Then Allah will ask him: What did you do with them? He will reply: I acquired knowledge and imparted it and also recited the Qur' an for Your sake. Allah will observe: You have told a lie, for you got knowledge to be renowned as a scholar; and you recited the Qur'an to be marked as a Qdri (one who recites the Qur'an according to the rules). Then orders will be passed against him. So he will be dragged along on his face and thrown into Hell. Third will be a man to whom Allah had made abundantly rich and granted him every kind of wealth. He will be brought for Judgment. Allah will let him know about His gifts conferred upon him in the world. He will recognize them. Then Allah will inquire: What did you with them? He will say: I left no way in which you like money to be spent without spending in it for your sake. Allah will say: You are lying. You did so to be described as generous (in the society); (It means you got your reward in the world according to your intention). Now you deserve nothing in the Hereafter except Hell). So orders will be passed against him and he will be dragged along on his face until he will be hurled into Hell. (This Hadith is sound and reported by Muslim and Nasa'i) The purity of inteniton is behind any deed. If you spend for show, there is no reward. Eventually, if one loves another for something worldly this shall not count in the Hereafter. But love for the sake of Allah ~J f is great virtue in the Hereafter. Such love can be a Muslim's love to learn from him or to take as a companion for good deeds, without any worldly considerations, once there is something worldly, the intention is not pure.

    Hadith no: 8  Narrated / Authority of: Abu Musa

    Allah's Messenger (PBUH) said: On the Day of Resurrection, my Ummah (nation) will be gathered into three groups. one sort will enter Paradise without rendering an account(of their deeds). Another sort will be reckoned an easy account and admitted into Paradise. Yet another sort will come bearing on their backs heaps of sins like great mountains. Allah will ask the angels though He knows best about them: Who are these people? They will reply: They are humble slaves of yours. He will say: Unload the sins from them and put the same over the Jews and Christians; then let the humble slaves get into Paradise by virtue of My Mercy. (This Hadith is sound and mentioned in Mustadrak of Hakim).

    Hadith no: 9  Narrated / Authority of: Ibn Masud

    that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: On the Day of Resurrection nations will be brought. When I see my nation (Ummah) I will be amazed at their multitudes and (distinguished) form. They will have filled up the plain lands as well as the mountains. Allah will ask me: Are you satisfied? I will say: Yes, 0 my Lord: He will say: Along with these (people), seventy thousand persons (i.e., so many) will enter Paradise without rendering an account. They will be those who neither cure themselves with Ruqya (recitations) nor get themselves branded (cauterized), nor take omens but they instead repose trust in their Lord. Upon this, 'Ukkasha said: Supplicate Allah (that He makes me one among them), the Prophet (SAW) said: 0 Allah! Make him one of them. Another person said: Invoke a blessing for me too (that Allah makes me one among them). The Prophet (SAW) said: 'Ukkasha has preceded you in this matter. (This Hadith is sound and reported by Ibn Hibban in his book) An amulet is something worn around the neck for protection against evil spirits or spell.

    Hadith no: 10   Narrated / Authority of: Abu Huraira

    that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) who said: Allah (SWT) said: My mercy has preceded (excelled) my wrath. (This Hadith is sound and reported by Muslim)


     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Hadith Qudsi and Islam...
     Reply #6 - March 21, 2015, 11:53 AM

    Hajji Yeezy fire away please...but if you can share which is the Hadith you consider the most interesting/baffling and why.

    well Jed.. I was and I am trying to filter this hadith in to   .. Good .. bad and Ugly categories., and I was under the impression this Hadith Qudis collection is good stuff  and more importantly  they were supposed to be only 40 statements., but I am so confused and bogged down by different people quoting completely different hadith verses as Qudsi hadith.. SO SEARCH FOR TRUTH CONTINUES Jed..

    anyway let me throw some links here

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    and and let me put some "Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh," Q &A on that from different bearded Islamic sages ..

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    What is the Difference Between a Regular Hadith and a Hadith Qudsi?

    Ans: The Sacred Narration (al-Hadith al-Qudsi) is attributed to Allah, Most High, and related from Him. The Messenger of God (Allah bless him and give him peace) would receive the meaning from Allah, by way of inspiration or dream, and then he (Allah bless him and give him peace) would inform his community of this in his own words.

    This is contrary to the remaining narrations (hadith) as the Messenger of God (Allah bless him and give him peace) would not attribute them to His Lord, nor relate them from Him.


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    The Difference between the Sacred Narrations (al-Hadith al-Qudsi) and the Qur’an


    Ans: There are many differences between the Qur’an and the Sacred Narration (al-Hadith al-Qudsi). Of the most notable of them are the facts that the Qur’an is miraculous in its wording and was revealed by the intermediary of the Angel Gabriel. A Sacred Narration (al-Hadith al-Qudsi), on the other hand, has neither of these qualities.

    Other unique qualities which the Qur’an, alone, possesses are:

    [1] The mass transmission (mutawatir) in all of its words and letters;

    [2] The impermissibility of touching the Qur’an for the one in a state of minor ritual impurity (and reciting it for the one in a state of major ritual impurity);

    [3] The requirement, and specification, of its recital in the prayer;

    [4] It is called the Qur’an;

    [5] It is an act of worship to recite the Qur’an and one is rewarded for each letter;

    The Qur’an’s words, and meanings, are from Allah through manifest revelation; contrary to the narrations (hadith).

    [`Ayni, `Umdat al-Qari Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari; Siraj al-Din, Sharh al-Mandhuma al-Bayquniyya; al-Sayyid Muhammad bin `Alawi, al-Manhal al-Latif fi Usul al-Hadith al-Sharif]

    This is something of what can be said about the difference between the Sacred Narration (al-Hadith al-Qudsi) and the Qur’an.

     well .....allah knows best...aassalam, alekum salam..etc.etc.. yadi..yadi..yada...... and all the enchiladas   and   Checked & Approved by Faraz Rabbani ..

    all that is good but I am pulling my hair on that Qudsi Jed..   and this is esteemed  Faraz Rabbani



    who is from Karachi .. sells Islamic Mexican snacks in Houston and  Islamic Mutton  Biryani  in one of those Karachi Mosques..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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