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OP - March 07, 2015, 05:03 PM

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"Peace" is one of the literal meanings of Islam, and its ultimate aim

Is this true? What does Islam mean? Are submission and peace the same thing?

I read somewhere that the "Is" bit might refer to Jesus.

What are the possible meanings of the term islam and is the word islam in the koran?

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Islam is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root s-l-m which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of wholeness, safeness and peace.[19] In a religious context it means "voluntary submission to God".[20][21] Muslim, the word for an adherent of Islam, is the active participle of the same verb of which Islām is the infinitive.

Wots a verbal noun for example?

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Reply #1 - March 07, 2015, 05:12 PM

Wiki refers to this article,

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The word “Islam” bears, within its meaning, the following two definitions:

1. Linguistic Meaning: This is the general meaning in Arabic usage, implying absolute submission, surrender and obedience that is obeying the injunctions of the ruler without objection. Before Islam came as a formal religion . The word was used to denote the above meaning, without attaching to it any ideological or conventional context.

2. Idiomatic Meaning: The Holy Qur’an defines Islam as the Message of Prophet Mohammed (saw). Although Islam was the theme of all preceding divine messages, the word was chosen as a particular title denoting the Almighty’s final revelation to mankind. In fact the Qur’an transformed the word “Islam” from its linguistic meaning to the idiomatic meaning. Still there remains the common implication in both usages- the linguistic and the idiomatic – that is submission and obedience, since Islam is the religion of voluntary submission to Allah’s Will, the obeying of His commands and surrendering to His Will without the least objection .

Thus, the religion which Mohammed (saw) brought to humanity was called “Islam”. It has since been used as a proper title for the Message preached by the Seal of Messengers and the word acquired has particular religious, legislative and devotional implications. Formerly the world did not enjoy these dimensions being void of any religious context except that denoting mere submission, obedience and surrender in the hitherto obscure language, spoken by an insignificant desert people.

WHO IS A MUSLIM ?

Whoever utters the two testimonies Shahadatayn that is to say: “Ashhadu an la ilaha il-lallah wa ashhadu an-an Muhammadan Rasulullah” which means “I bear witness that there is no god save Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah”, is Muslim.

Those who are born to Muslim parents are regarded Muslims by birth, disregarding whether or not he/she is a faithful believer, is Muslim.

Starting from this general definition of the Muslim, we may divide the belief of a Muslim with respect to one’s connection with Islam, as follows :

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My immediate impression is of a huge amount of tautological theological assertions.

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Reply #2 - March 07, 2015, 05:14 PM

Is not a peace that is achieved by submission the classic definition of a tyranny?

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Reply #3 - March 07, 2015, 05:15 PM

Islam is submission, not peace. You've been a member of CEMB long enough to know this surely?

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Reply #4 - March 07, 2015, 05:18 PM

Could Islam be two words? "I-Slam", Isa SLaM, submitter to Isa, Submitter to Jesus - "The Praiseworthy One"/through the messenger known as "The Praiseworthy One"?
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Reply #5 - March 07, 2015, 05:20 PM

But what about finding peace in submission?
Ah well. I think it's meant like, when all the people are muslim there will be peace, because everyone believes the same. However, in practice we know this is not the case, since different muslim sects do not live in peace with each other.
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Reply #6 - March 07, 2015, 05:23 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 07, 2015, 05:15 PM
Islam is submission, not peace. You've been a member of CEMB long enough to know this surely?

But another thread here quotes someone asserting it means peace, and wiki does link to an article giving both meanings.

It is an extremely common assertion that islam means peace, I think it is something that definitely needs looking at very carefully.

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Reply #7 - March 07, 2015, 05:25 PM

Quote from: Senga on March 07, 2015, 05:20 PM
But what about finding peace in submission?
Ah well. I think it's meant like, when all the people are muslim there will be peace, because everyone believes the same. However, in practice we know this is not the case, since different muslim sects do not live in peace with each other.

That is precisely what I mean by referring to tyranny.

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A tyrant (Greek τύραννος, tyrannos), in its modern English usage, is an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution, or one who has usurped legitimate sovereignty. A tyrant usually controls almost everything, and is considered a ruler of horrible and oppressive character.[1] The original Greek term, however, merely meant an authoritarian sovereign without reference to character,[2] bearing no pejorative connotation during the Archaic and early Classical periods. However, it was clearly a negative word to Plato, and on account of the decisive influence of philosophy on politics, its negative connotations only increased, continuing into the Hellenistic period.

Plato and Aristotle define a tyrant as "one who rules without law, looks to his own advantage rather than that of his subjects, and uses extreme and cruel tactics—against his own people as well as others".[3] During the seventh and sixth centuries BC, tyranny was often looked upon as an intermediate stage between narrow oligarchy and more democratic forms of polity. However, in the late fifth and fourth centuries, a new kind of tyrant, the military dictator, arose, specifically in Sicily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant

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Reply #8 - March 07, 2015, 05:30 PM

So maybe the argument should not be that Islam is a violent religion but that it is actually the preferred religion of tyrants and military dictators?

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Reply #9 - March 07, 2015, 05:30 PM

Quote from: moi on March 07, 2015, 05:23 PM
But another thread here quotes someone asserting it means peace, and wiki does link to an article giving both meanings.

It is an extremely common assertion that islam means peace, I think it is something that definitely needs looking at very carefully.

Far as I'm aware that was something picked up from Blair and Bush after 9/11. I await someone more knowledgeable (or older than me ) to weigh in.

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Reply #10 - March 07, 2015, 05:35 PM

Islam means submission, salaam means peace. Both have the same 3-letter word S-L-M as their roots, this doesn't mean that both can mean the same thing as far as I know.
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Reply #11 - March 07, 2015, 05:35 PM

Quote from: moi on March 07, 2015, 05:25 PM
That is precisely what I mean by referring to tyranny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant

I see it more as ignorance.
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Reply #12 - March 07, 2015, 05:38 PM

Tyranny thrives off an ignorant callous population Senga.
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Reply #13 - March 07, 2015, 05:38 PM

On voluntary submission

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/phoenixandolivebranch/2012/02/involuntary-submission/

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I’ve noticed a lot of comments on No Longer Quivering recently claiming that there’s a difference between “voluntary submission,” which is godly, and “involuntary servitude,” which is not. The arguments usually run like this:
Submitting to my husband fulfills my God-given desires for leadership.
I don’t mind submitting to my husband; he doesn’t lord it over me like a tyrant.
I choose to submit to my husband to glorify God.
I submit to my husband because Jesus likes it and I want to please Jesus.
There’s a problem with all four of these arguments: they are fundamentally contradictory to the more baldfaced justification used by people who aren’t trying to win over the nonbelievers with sweet words like “love,” “peace,” and “fulfillment”:
The Bible tells wives to submit to their husbands.
The idea that submission is voluntary and that it is also a Biblical commandment is nonsense. If it’s a commandment, it’s not optional. If it’s voluntary, it is.

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If you believe that wifely submission is not a command from God, great! Then it is voluntary. Then there will be no spiritual repercussions for rejecting it. I reject it happily and fearlessly.
If, on the other hand, you do believe that wifely submission is a command from God, don’t lie to yourself. It is the very definition of involuntary servitude – which, by the way, is just a wordy way of saying slavery.
The moral wrong of slavery ought to be self-evident.

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Reply #14 - March 07, 2015, 05:41 PM

Quote from: Lilyesque on March 07, 2015, 05:38 PM
Tyranny thrives off an ignorant callous population Senga.

Hmm, guess that's true. We need a revolution.
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Reply #15 - March 07, 2015, 06:28 PM

Is it a logical conclusion to comment that Islam is actually a slave religion?

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Reply #16 - March 07, 2015, 06:45 PM

This question comes up so often it is very tiresome to keep answering it.

It might be an idea if someone made the reply in the link below a sticky please

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=18359.msg523501#msg523501
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Reply #17 - March 07, 2015, 06:52 PM

That is very interesting, thank you, Hassan!
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Reply #18 - March 08, 2015, 09:15 PM

Amend wiki?

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