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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #180 - May 03, 2016, 07:51 PM


    Review of Timothy Power’s The Red Sea from Byzantium to the Caliphate

    Alexandre Roberts - In Mecca's Backyard

    The dissertation the book was based on

    Timothy Power - The Red Sea during the 'Long' Late Antiquity, AD 500-1000
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #181 - May 04, 2016, 04:53 PM
    A lecture on the historiography of medieval chronicles and common themes shared by Muslims and Christians

    Paul Cobb - Getting Crusaded: History and the Targets of Medieval Holy War
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CwDSwucCPJw&ebc=ANyPxKogMDtpH6iPavMlmuvM_ru9d_x3LXRYDH7X7Ni3cAmaaGoAxI59v0zPaktkl--JxTEtk0EG1mfTX8FjOmvMSMgV7UEIOg

    Paul Cobb - A note on ‘Umar’s visit to Ayla in 17/638

    http://www.academia.edu/458620/A_Note_on_Umar_s_Visit_to_Ayla_in_17_638
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     Reply #182 - May 04, 2016, 05:28 PM
    Marek Jankowiak - The first Arab siege of Constantinople

    https://www.academia.edu/7091574/The_First_Arab_Siege_of_Constantinople

    Marek Jankowiak - Travelling across borders: a church historian’s perspective on contacts between Byzantium and Syria in the second half of the 7th century

    http://www.academia.edu/7092139/Travelling_across_borders_a_church_historian_s_perspective_on_contacts_between_Byzantium_and_Syria_in_the_second_half_of_the_7th_century

    Marek Jankowiak - Dirhams for slaves. Investigating the Slavic slave trade in the tenth century

    https://www.academia.edu/1764468/Dirhams_for_slaves._Investigating_the_Slavic_slave_trade_in_the_tenth_century
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #183 - May 04, 2016, 07:14 PM
    Eduardo Manzano - Why did Islamic medieval institutions become so different from Western medieval institutions?

    http://www.medievalworlds.net/0xc1aa500e_0x00324b6b.pdf
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    This paper attempts to answer the question of why Islamic medieval institutions became so different from their Western counterparts. It is divided into three sections. The first discusses the significance of comparing institutions from this perspective and the patterns that can be found in doing so. The second section describes the methodology that has been followed in this research and sets aside other possible approaches, particularly those espoused by the New Institutional Economics. The third section seeks to answer the main question: it is argued that differences in institutional shaping emerge from the divergent paths taken by power and authority in Islamic social formation, which was confronted with an irresolvable dilemma between temporal rule and religious legitimacy. This separation emerged, in the final analysis, from a distinctive polity that was based on the control of tax and increasingly detached itself from forms of religious authority that sprang from the Muslim community.

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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #184 - May 04, 2016, 11:14 PM
    Good read, thanks for the link Zeca. Although I disagree some of the points regarding feudalism and councils. However these are minor points that do not detract from the line of thought.
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #185 - May 05, 2016, 06:59 AM
    On manzano, are the traditions that different? Medieval scholasticism and Islamic jurisprudence look very similar.

    Differences can be traced back to different power balances between the various groups. I am interested that article doesn't mention the key ones, the ancient conflict between Greece and Persia
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #186 - May 05, 2016, 07:01 AM
    Islam is fascinating. It has the Ancient Greek concept of priesthood of all believers but within a Persian King of kings philosophy where the eternal omnipotent king has become a book.
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #187 - May 05, 2016, 11:32 AM


    Podcast: Chris Wickham on writing the history of the Middle Ages

    http://poddirectory.com/episode/2661820/on-the-middle-ages-with-chris-wickham
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #188 - May 05, 2016, 08:27 PM
    In Our Time - The Battle of Tours
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    Melvyn Bragg and his guests discuss the Battle of Tours. In 732 a large Arab army invaded Gaul from northern Spain, and travelled as far north as Poitiers. There they were defeated by Charles Martel, whose Frankish and Burgundian forces repelled the invaders. The result confirmed the regional supremacy of Charles, who went on to establish a strong Frankish dynasty. The Battle of Tours was the last major incursion of Muslim armies into northern Europe; some historians, including Edward Gibbon, have seen it as the decisive moment that determined that the continent would remain Christian.

    With Hugh Kennedy, Rosamond McKitterick and Matthew Innes

    Listen to the podcast: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03pm7dv

    In fact Muslim raids continued through the ninth and tenth centuries. See this blog post from Ballandalus:

    https://ballandalus.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/muslim-and-magyar-raids-in-western-europe-during-the-ninth-and-tenth-centuries/
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #189 - May 06, 2016, 12:02 AM
    Quote from: moi on May 05, 2016, 07:01 AM
    Islam is fascinating. It has the Ancient Greek concept of priesthood of all believers but within a Persian King of kings philosophy where the eternal omnipotent king has become a book.

    Somewhere in between is Imami Shi'ism, where the priesthood is organised around a Imam who speaks as "the hidden book", kitāb nāṭiq. Except that the Imam is now hidden too.
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #190 - May 19, 2016, 09:50 AM


    Parvaneh Pourshariati - Decline and Fall of the Sasanian Empire

    http://www.victoriaazad.com/pdf/Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Sasanian_Empire.pdf

    Review by Touraj Daryaee

    http://www.tourajdaryaee.com/wp-content/uploads/docs/daryaee-article-DaryaeeReviewOfPourshariati.pdf
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #191 - May 19, 2016, 05:44 PM
    Quote from: Zimriel on May 06, 2016, 12:02 AM
    Somewhere in between is Imami Shi'ism, where the priesthood is organised around a Imam who speaks as "the hidden book", kitāb nāṭiq. Except that the Imam is now hidden too.


    I don't think she said it in Mary Beard's Ultimate Rome, but maybe a religion with a supreme god is part of the infrastructure of certain types of empire?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #192 - May 19, 2016, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: moi on May 19, 2016, 05:44 PM
    I don't think she said it in Mary Beard's Ultimate Rome, but maybe a religion with a supreme god is part of the infrastructure of certain types of empire?

    I think this is one of the arguments in Tim Whitmarsh's Battling the Gods.
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #193 - May 19, 2016, 09:17 PM
    I know it happened in islamic history. But I don't know who did it and with whom.

    There was a tribal war between two muslim tribes.

    One tribe dig out the dead bodies of other tribe.

    Quote from: mtexmuslim on May 29, 2016, 10:54 PM
    I think you have some problem.
    Every thing I post, looks weird to you.


  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #194 - May 19, 2016, 09:44 PM
    Christian Sahner, Jack Tannous and Michael Reynolds - Recovering the role of Christians in the history of the Middle East

    https://mafqudwamawjud.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/recovering-the-role-of-christians-in-the-history-of-the-middle-east/
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #195 - May 19, 2016, 11:01 PM
    Quote from: mtexmuslim on May 19, 2016, 09:17 PM
    I know it happened in islamic history. But I don't know who did it and with whom.

    There was a tribal war between two muslim tribes.

    One tribe dig out the dead bodies of other tribe.

     It was not tribe-on-tribe barbarism per se.  As far as I know, it was done within the scope of "Islamic history" to a few dead Umayyad caliphs, according to Almasudi in The Meadows of Gold and Mines of Gems (NB I’m familiar with the original Arabic version).

    He (and other so-called “Islamic historians”) relates that when the Umayyad Caliphate fell, the Umayyads faced a decimating massacre at the hands of the Persian regiment within the Abbasid army. The regiment had held grudge (I think Almasudi was eluding to their being Shite who descended from so pejoratively called Majus). Thus the army killed 70 thousand people, and excavated the graves of Umayyad Caliphs.

    Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik, in particular, was dug up on the orders of the notorious As-Saffah (أبو العباس عبدالله السّفاح). His corpse hadn’t badly decomposed at that point. As-Saffah then flogged the corpse of Hisham 80 whips, then ordered its crucifixion and finally burnt it and had the ashes thrown away.

    The barbaric favour was returned to the Abbasids, not necessarily commensurately or by their former victims, when their enduring caliphate eventually fell and the male bloodline of it was deemed necessary to be wiped out.  
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #196 - May 20, 2016, 08:10 AM
    Quote from: zeca on May 19, 2016, 07:46 PM
    I think this is one of the arguments in Tim Whitmarsh's Battling the Gods.


    The other thing Beard alludes to is the invention of worship.

    Previously, a temple was a god's home, where a priest would act as its servant and look after it.  People were very rarely let in to see the god, or it would be paraded.

    At some point people met together in a congregation and rituals were developed, the sacrificial ceremonies became public.

    People did not worship gods, they asked for something and gave something - a contractual relationship.  You did not love gods!

    It would definitely be interesting to explore the invention of worship.  It feels as if it is a psychological too of submission - therefore political.
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #197 - May 20, 2016, 02:24 PM
    Quote from: Wahhabist on May 19, 2016, 11:01 PM
    It was not tribe-on-tribe barbarism per se.  As far as I know, it was done within the scope of "Islamic history" to a few dead Umayyad caliphs, according to Almasudi in The Meadows of Gold and Mines of Gems (NB I’m familiar with the original Arabic version).

    He (and other so-called “Islamic historians”) relates that when the Umayyad Caliphate fell, the Umayyads faced a decimating massacre at the hands of the Persian regiment within the Abbasid army. The regiment had held grudge (I think Almasudi was eluding to their being Shite who descended from so pejoratively called Majus). Thus the army killed 70 thousand people, and excavated the graves of Umayyad Caliphs.

    Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik, in particular, was dug up on the orders of the notorious As-Saffah (أبو العباس عبدالله السّفاح). His corpse hadn’t badly decomposed at that point. As-Saffah then flogged the corpse of Hisham 80 whips, then ordered its crucifixion and finally burnt it and had the ashes thrown away.

    The barbaric favour was returned to the Abbasids, not necessarily commensurately or by their former victims, when their enduring caliphate eventually fell and the male bloodline of it was deemed necessary to be wiped out.  


    Thanks man.
    Thanks a lot.
    I was looking for that information since years.
    great post.
    Quote from: mtexmuslim on May 29, 2016, 10:54 PM
    I think you have some problem.
    Every thing I post, looks weird to you.


  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #198 - May 20, 2016, 03:00 PM
    Hassan Nisar talking about what Abbasids did with Umayyads.
    if you can understand Urdu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXGQDOaWV58
    Quote from: mtexmuslim on May 29, 2016, 10:54 PM
    I think you have some problem.
    Every thing I post, looks weird to you.


  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #199 - May 25, 2016, 06:53 PM
    Paul Dilley on Syriac Christianity and the religious diversity of Sasanian Iran
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ADU2da75amM
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #200 - May 28, 2016, 11:07 AM
    Thomas Carlson - Contours of Conversion: The Geography of Islamization in Syria, 600-1500

    https://www.academia.edu/5671727/Contours_of_Conversion_The_Geography_of_Islamization_in_Syria_600-1500
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #201 - June 06, 2016, 10:56 PM
    Caitlin Green - Camels in early medieval western Europe

    http://www.caitlingreen.org/2016/05/camels-in-early-medieval-western-europe.html
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #202 - June 10, 2016, 04:47 PM
    Kees Versteegh - History of Arabic language teaching in Europe

    https://www.academia.edu/5239662/History_of_Arabic_language_teaching_in_Europe_2006_
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #203 - June 13, 2016, 04:06 PM
    Polymnia Athanassiadi and Michael Frede (eds) - Pagan Monotheism in Late Antiquity

    http://www.serenitystreetnews.com/HERSTORY%20CRAMNOTES/5dterra%20NOTES%20AUDIO%20VIDEO/ebooks/ebooks/Athanassiadi%20(ed),%20Pagan%20monotheism%20in%20late%20antiquity%20(IN)%20BB.pdf
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    The six chapters in this volume owe their origin to a seminar on ‘pagan forms of monotheism in late antiquity’, held at Oxford in Hilary Term 1996. The interest shown in the subject matter of the seminar by colleagues from a variety of disciplines and the lively discussions which ensued confirmed us in the idea that we were pursuing an important topic which gave rise to questions of more general significance. Hence we decided to publish revised versions of the papers in the hope of involving a larger audience in a discussion of the issues raised.

    The seminar itself arose out of our dissatisfaction with what we take to be a misconception found not only among laymen but even among scholars: that in the Graeco-Roman world—to speak only of what is of direct relevance to this volume—Christianity, in the tradition of Jewish monotheism, succeeded in replacing invariably polytheistic systems of religious belief with a monotheistic creed.1 By contrast it is our view that monotheism, for the most part quite independently of Judaism and Christianity, was increasingly widespread by the time of late antiquity, certainly among the educated and in particular in the Greek east. And we are inclined to attribute much of the success of Christianity in that world to its advocacy of a way of seeing things, of thinking and acting, which it shared with a growing number of pagans.

    Another even more important cause of our dissatisfaction is a general attitude associated with the above, reflecting the simple unqualified belief that, in being converted to Christianity, pagans were induced to reject their polytheism in favour of a monotheistic religion. This approach, which ultimately derives from the Christian Apologists of late antiquity, emphasizes the differences between Christianity and paganism in a stark and simplistic way which makes one overlook the very substantial similarities between the two, and even the indebtedness of Christian thought and practice to the pagan tradition. It is our belief that nothing is gained, and much is lost, in ignoring these aspects, which form the wider background against which we wish to examine pagan forms of monotheism in late antiquity.


    Stephen Mitchell and Peter Van Nuffelen (eds) - One God, Pagan Monotheism in the Roman Empire

    http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/M/Mi/Mitchell_Stephen_-_Van_Nuffelen_Peter_-_One_God_Pagan_monotheism_in_the_Roman_Empire.pdf
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #204 - June 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
    Philip Jenkins on Syriac Christianity
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sgYXeSCVAfI
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #205 - June 13, 2016, 06:07 PM
    From review of Whitmarsh

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    Christopher Hitchens argued that “religion comes from the period of human prehistory when nobody – not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made of atoms – had the slightest idea what was going on”.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #206 - June 14, 2016, 04:57 PM
      Origins of  term "Muslim"  and its Root words

    well that is a good website to casually read through
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #207 - June 21, 2016, 03:23 PM
    Greg Fisher and Philip Wood - Writing the history of the "Persian Arabs": the pre-Islamic perspective on the "Nasrids" of al-Hirah

    http://www.academia.edu/24117123/With_G._Fisher_Writing_the_History_of_the_Persian_Arabs_The_pre-Islamic_perspective_on_the_Nasrids_of_al-Hirah
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    Modern scholarship on Arabs in the pre-Islamic period has focused on Rome’s Arab allies—the so-called “Jafnids” or “Ghassānids,” with much less attention paid to Persia’s Arab allies, the so-called “Nasrid” or “Lakhmid” dynasty of Arab leaders at al-Hīrah in Iraq. This article examines select pre-Islamic sources for the Persian Arabs, showing that even with the meager evidence available to us, and the lack of archaeological material, it is possible to draw a relatively complex portrait of the Persian Arabs. This article situates the Persian Arabs as important figures in some key themes and phenomena of late antiquity, such as the growth of Christian communities, the conflict between Rome and Persia, and the struggle for influence in the Arabian peninsula.

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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #208 - June 21, 2016, 03:54 PM
    Philip Wood - Christianity and the Arabs in the sixth century

    http://www.academia.edu/7806301/_Christianity_and_the_Arabs_in_the_sixth_century_in_G._Fisher_and_J._Djikstra_eds._Inside_and_Out_Interactions_Between_Rome_and_the_Peoples_on_the_Arabian_and_Egyptian_Frontiers_in_Late_Antiquity_Peeters_2014_in_press

    Philip Wood - Christians in the Middle East, 600-1000: Conquest, Competition and Conversion

    http://www.academia.edu/7815924/_Christians_in_the_Middle_East_600-1000_Conquest_Competition_and_Conversion_in_A._Peacock_B._Da_Nicola_and_S.-N._Yildiz_eds._The_Islamization_of_Anatolia_c.1100-1500_forthcoming

    Other articles by Philip Wood

    http://aku.academia.edu/PhilipWood
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  • Random Islamic History Posts
     Reply #209 - June 24, 2016, 05:44 PM
    Roger Pearse - Scribes removing paganism from Galen’s “On my own opinions”?

    http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2016/06/22/scribes-removing-paganism-from-galens-on-my-own-opinions/
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    ....
    The changes may have been made at any point in the transmission.  Without a general knowledge of changes of this kind in the Arabic translation movement, we cannot say if any of this reflects the Greek text before Hunain and Job; or is conventional, in Syriac translations; or is their own work, in adapting a medical textbook for the needs of a capricious Muslim despot; or is the work of later Arabic editors, or indeed of the Latin and Hebrew translators in Europe.  But somewhere along the line, someone got creative.

    The changes, in fairness, are mild.  They adjust paganism to monotheism, and remove an irrelevant irritant for the reader.  They are probably no worse than some modern editors are doing to old but politically incorrect childrens’ classics like Biggles.

    All the same, it does highlight that the transmission of texts is sometimes less than faithful, on ideological grounds.  It would be most interesting to see if there is any general pattern available in the data.  I suspect that there might be.

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