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Reply #30 - May 01, 2015, 11:14 PM

Quote from: Hassan on May 01, 2015, 09:26 PM
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If one is not truly prepared to examine beliefs on the basis that they could be false, how can one ever know they are true?

All I'm saying here is if you refuse to accept your religion could be wrong then any examination of your belief is futile.

Not sure what the problem is?

What kind of monster asks about what was said while pissed in the cold light of sobriety?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #31 - May 01, 2015, 11:14 PM

I will actually try and get back to you on it though.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #32 - May 02, 2015, 02:37 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on May 01, 2015, 11:14 PM
What kind of monster asks about what was said while pissed in the cold light of sobriety?
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Reply #33 - May 02, 2015, 06:56 PM

Right, I have some free time so let me give my sober thoughts.

Quote from: Hassan on May 01, 2015, 09:26 PM
@Quod

If one is not truly prepared to examine beliefs on the basis that they could be false, how can one ever know they are true?

All I'm saying here is if you refuse to accept your religion could be wrong then any examination of your belief is futile.

Not sure what the problem is?

Reading the above quotes makes me think I misunderstood the point you were trying to make. What came to mind was, for example, someone who has parts of their belief that don't sit right but manage to find a way to make sense of them, usually by ascribing an alternative meaning, usually taking the view that it's just metaphor or poetry or whatnot.

I don't really have a problem with your phrasing here:

Quote from: Hassan on May 01, 2015, 09:26 PM
All I'm saying here is if you refuse to accept your religion could be wrong then any examination of your belief is futile.

I actually agree with you. However the initial wording

Quote from: Hassan on April 30, 2015, 05:26 PM
If one is not truly prepared to examine beliefs on the basis that they could be false, how can one ever know they are true?

came across quite different for me, in a way you may not have meant.

"If one is not truly prepared to examine beliefs on the basis that they could be false, how can one ever know they are true?" <------ The way I read this was what prompted my reply. The fact you can reconcile Adam and Eve with evolution doesn't make your religious beliefs any more or any less true. The fact you can come up with a way of viewing them as true does not make them real.

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on May 01, 2015, 01:29 AM
Convincing yourself something is true isn't the same as something being true. It's one of those lines that sound good in an 80's pop kind of way but that ultimately have no value. The sentence itself is worthless because the assumptions given are worthless.

So did I just completely misunderstand what you were saying?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #34 - May 02, 2015, 08:16 PM

No problem

Actually I posted it partly because I wanted to know if it conveyed my thoughts well - clearly it didn't.

So now that you understand what I was getting at - I'd be interested if you could suggest an alternative wording to make the point clear
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Reply #35 - May 02, 2015, 08:20 PM

To be fair to you, I seem to be in the minority on not getting it. As far as making it clear (and again I seem to be in the minority here, so not sure you need bother ) I think this is perfect.

Quote from: Hassan on May 01, 2015, 09:26 PM
if you refuse to accept your religion could be wrong then any examination of your belief is futile.

Clear cut, straight to the point, bang on the mark, and no chance of misunderstanding.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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