New documentary texts and the early Islamic state

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OP - May 19, 2015, 06:59 AM

a good introduction about what we know about Early Islamic state ( 1–70 AH/622–90 AD)

https://www.academia.edu/3430551/New_Documentary_Texts_and_the_Early_Islamic_State

the historian Robert Holyand has no issue in using the basic traditional frameworks as a narrative, and it seems he think the extreme skepticism is not really warranted.

I meant the idea there was a monotheist preacher from Mecca who immigrate to yathrib and manage to confederate three cities ( Mecca, Yathrib and ta'if ) is not an extraordinary claims after all.

I guess for the canonization of the Quran and the author(s) is very hard to prove anything, unless we discovers new manuscripts !!!
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Reply #1 - May 19, 2015, 01:49 PM

Quote from: hatoush on May 19, 2015, 06:59 AM
a good introduction about what we know about Early Islamic state ~~( 1–70 AH/622–90 AD)~~

https://www.academia.edu/3430551/New_Documentary_Texts_and_the_Early_Islamic_State

the historian Robert Holyand has no issue in using the basic traditional frameworks as a narrative, and it seems he think the extreme skepticism is not really warranted.

I meant the idea there was a monotheist preacher from Mecca who immigrate to yathrib and manage to confederate three cities ( Mecca, Yathrib and ta'if ) is not an extraordinary claims after all.

if it is all about THAT PREACHER AND HIS STATE/ESTATE .. then Robert Holyand should write another book on Early Islam of alleged Muhammad..... the prophet of Islam with a heading......."Early Islamic state ( 1–10AH/622–32 AD) Not ( 1–70 AH/622–90 AD)., Islamic Prophet of Islamic stories died in the year 632..

A RESPONSE TO CHANNEL 4'S 'ISLAM: THE UNTOLD STORY'

Arabic Papyri and Other Documents from Current Excavations in Egypt

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Reply #2 - May 19, 2015, 04:50 PM

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To cut a long story short: Arabic papyrology has next to no reference tools.

But because papyrology depends on comparing parallels in other texts, Arabic papyrologists have so far been reduced to making their own collections of rare words, formulas, idiomatic phrases, grammatical features, etc. This present state of Arabic papyrology – of a small group of scholars working individually with limited interaction – can be described as, compared to Greek papyrology, a structural delay of about one hundred years.

Extreme scepticism about the Islamic Authorised Version would seem to be eminently justifiable!

I think it is reasonable and logical to conclude the koran hadith etc are the equivalent of the Arthurian tales with added law etc.

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