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  • Shariah Law?
     OP - June 03, 2015, 03:31 PM
    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-app-a/

    Do many really think Muslims want the Sharia Law in Europe or USA or anywhere else. I mean the majority of polls shows that Muslims only want Muslims to follow the law
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #1 - June 03, 2015, 05:26 PM
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    Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law (sharia) to be the official law of the land, according to a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center. But many supporters of sharia say it should apply only to their country’s Muslim population.

    Moreover, Muslims are not equally comfortable with all aspects of sharia: While most favor using religious law in family and property disputes, fewer support the application of severe punishments – such as whippings or cutting off hands – in criminal cases. The survey also shows that Muslims differ widely in how they interpret certain aspects of sharia, including whether divorce and family planning are morally acceptable.

  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #2 - June 03, 2015, 05:42 PM
    When it comes to the hudud (Sharia penalties), as I've pointed out before, there are three different groups

    1. Those who don't believe in such laws
    2. Those who believe it in theory but hide behind legal tricks/technicalities(because of discomfort) to avoid it,rendering such laws in the words of newly appointed Egyptians justice minister, ''practically impossible''.
    3.Those who believe in it and want to apply it

    The second groups is the dominating view and in some ways defines institutional Islam in many parts of the Islamic world.
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #3 - June 03, 2015, 05:46 PM
    So it most don't want all the sharia law or just to apply to the Muslim population. why is there fear? I mean are there any polls of people really wanting to have Sharia law in Europe or USA
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #4 - June 04, 2015, 01:51 AM
    I hope I have not offended anyone
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #5 - June 04, 2015, 03:09 AM
    Quote from: UsagiTsukino on June 03, 2015, 05:46 PM
    So it most don't want all the sharia law or just to apply to the Muslim population. why is there fear? I mean are there any polls of people really wanting to have Sharia law in Europe or USA


    What fear are you referring to? Whose fear, and of what? I don't understand the question.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #6 - June 04, 2015, 03:23 AM
    Sorry. there are many islamophobics that are saying many Islamic people that have moved to other countries,want the Sharia Law in the  countries they have moved to. hey want the Sharia Law to be the Law of the Island
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #7 - June 04, 2015, 04:00 AM
    So you feel that Islamophobes are afraid? They are. They are phobic people. If not Islam, they would find something else to be all doomsday about. Don't pay them any mind.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #8 - June 04, 2015, 05:31 AM
    Sharia law should be everybody's concern, period. Imagine this usagi. There are kids being born into muslim communities. If sharia law is enforced among muslims, that means that if the kids grew up and renounce islam or convert to another religion, they'd be killed. If they are found to be drinking: 40 lashes. If they're found to have sex outside marriage: 100 lashes or stoned to death. When muslims say: we want to enforce it only amongst ourselves, they also mean, their kids included, who never had a choice in rejecting this barbarism.

    sharia is abhorrent. And if only the islamophobes are against it, then i sure as hell hope there are more islamophobes around.
    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #9 - June 04, 2015, 07:39 PM
    But wouldn't the Sharia Law be against  anything in the rights in any country
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #10 - June 05, 2015, 03:47 AM
    Quote from: kephas on June 04, 2015, 05:31 AM
    Sharia law should be everybody's concern, period. Imagine this usagi. There are kids being born into muslim communities. If sharia law is enforced among muslims, that means that if the kids grew up and renounce islam or convert to another religion, they'd be killed. If they are found to be drinking: 40 lashes. If they're found to have sex outside marriage: 100 lashes or stoned to death. When muslims say: we want to enforce it only amongst ourselves, they also mean, their kids included, who never had a choice in rejecting this barbarism.

    sharia is abhorrent. And if only the islamophobes are against it, then i sure as hell hope there are more islamophobes around.


    your statement is wrong on many levels.

    1- Sharia law or law in general is applied by the authority not by people themselves, otherwise it is an anarchy. ( I am talking about stable Muslim Countries, not ISIS and Somalia).

    2-  the sharia law is not applied or only a small subset of it,  is used in Muslim Countries, I guess the extreme example is Saudia Arabia, but it does not represent all the Muslim world, for example in north Africa, the law regarding marriage, inheritance is based on Sharia.

    3- as far as, i am concerned the only extra laws that apply to Muslims in a a secular country  is religious marriage ceremony, halal food, circumcision, and burial rituals.

    so honestly your scenario is very implausible.

    PS : the first time, i heard about shariaa law and taqiyaa is when i came to Australia Smiley
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #11 - June 05, 2015, 05:31 AM
    1.Hatoush, yes i know that the authorities are the ones that will be enforcing sharia. Not the common muslim. It doesn't make a difference to me if a beheading or lashings or stonings are performed by authorities or by common muslims. They're both wrong.

    2. Hudud laws are included in sharia. All the maddhabs agree regarding this.

    3. regarding muslims needing to abide to only certain laws when they're in a secular country: here's the deal, muslims are forbidden to be in kuffar lands to begin with: http://islamqa.info/en/13363 so there's no rule as to whether they're supposed to enforce certain laws or not, since it's haram to be in such a state in the first place.
    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #12 - June 05, 2015, 05:34 AM
    Quote from: UsagiTsukino on June 04, 2015, 07:39 PM
    But wouldn't the Sharia Law be against  anything in the rights in any country

    yes. It violates a person's right to freedom of religion, to a private life, and to be spared from cruel and unusual punishment.
    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #13 - June 05, 2015, 05:55 AM
    Kephas


    1.Hatoush, yes i know that the authorities are the ones that will be enforcing sharia. Not the common muslim. It doesn't make a difference to me if a beheading or lashings or stonings are performed by authorities or by common muslims. They're both wrong.

    of course they are wrong, although, i am in favor of death penalty for certain crimes. ( like raping and killing a child)

    2. Hudud laws are included in sharia. All the maddhabs agree regarding this.

    yes, but fortunately the majority of Muslim Countries does not apply them, the Jews do not apply stoning although it is in their scripture.

    3. regarding muslims needing to abide to only certain laws when they're in a secular country: here's the deal, muslims are forbidden to be in kuffar lands to begin with: http://islamqa.info/en/13363 so there's no rule as to whether they're supposed to enforce certain laws or not, since it's haram to be in such a state in the first place.

     honestly i don't know, what to say here, Muslims are already in "Kuffar" countries, are you suggesting that Muslims in the west do not particularly observe the laws because of their religion ?
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #14 - June 07, 2015, 03:45 AM
    To me they can observe whatever law they want, just as long as they don't impose it on others against their will. And this includes non consenting muslims and ex muslims.
    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #15 - June 07, 2015, 06:35 AM
    People should not be free to practice any law they want especially if it is against the law of the land. This prevents people from hold ideas such as adultery is a capital offense and going through with it. There is also the issue of indoctrination. What if one believed adulterers should be killed and commits the crime themselves. The indoctrination is the cause of their choice but the law violates the law of the land. Imagine a group of people that believe in child marriage and children which accept this. By your logic they should be free to practice this as both parties believe in it and it's not against their will. You forget that the majority of humanity are functional rather than intelligent people.
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #16 - June 07, 2015, 07:00 AM
    Shariah law in a non muslim country should really only be applied to marriage ceremony and nothing else. I think at present time, only a Christian, a priest, clergyman etc has the legal rights, not sure about Rabbi's or representatives of other faiths.. 
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #17 - June 07, 2015, 07:09 AM
    Any group can apply for at a registration office, it does not require one to be a member of any religion to do so. The CoE do have the privilege of being automatically granted the right to do so as does Judaism.
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #18 - June 07, 2015, 09:01 AM
    Quote from: bogart on June 07, 2015, 06:35 AM
    People should not be free to practice any law they want especially if it is against the law of the land. This prevents people from hold ideas such as adultery is a capital offense and going through with it. There is also the issue of indoctrination. What if one believed adulterers should be killed and commits the crime themselves. The indoctrination is the cause of their choice but the law violates the law of the land. Imagine a group of people that believe in child marriage and children which accept this. By your logic they should be free to practice this as both parties believe in it and it's not against their will. You forget that the majority of humanity are functional rather than intelligent people.

    Regarding children being imposed the law, with or without consent, i agree with you that it shouldn't be done.

    but for adults. It's a hard call. I really hope noone consents to be subjected to some of the gruesome punishments under sharia. But if they wish to undergo such punishments, then the argument could be made that stopping them to undergo such punishments by their own will would be infringing their rights to practice their religion freely.
    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #19 - June 07, 2015, 01:10 PM
    Quote from: suki on June 07, 2015, 07:00 AM
    Shariah law in a non muslim country should really only be applied to marriage ceremony and nothing else. I think at present time, only a Christian, a priest, clergyman etc has the legal rights, not sure about Rabbi's or representatives of other faiths.. 


    In the US anybody with a license to marry people can do so.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Shariah Law?
     Reply #20 - June 07, 2015, 02:47 PM
    Oh right, thanks, Bogart and three, geeze you would've thought i'd be old enough to know this by now lol.. My iman wasn't registered, so i wasn't legally married, actually every muslim i knew in my neighbourhood wasn't married legally, just the usual islamic blessing, so i had to have two marriages, the second at a registrars..  i had to also go through two dreaded divorces  :/
  • Re: Shariah Law?
     Reply #21 - June 07, 2015, 03:15 PM
    Quote from: kephas on June 07, 2015, 09:01 AM
    Regarding children being imposed the law, with or without consent, i agree with you that it shouldn't be done.

    but for adults. It's a hard call. I really hope noone consents to be subjected to some of the gruesome punishments under sharia. But if they wish to undergo such punishments, then the argument could be made that stopping them to undergo such punishments by their own will would be infringing their rights to practice their religion freely.

    Haitham al-Haddad, who is an extremist preacher, said that many western women who had commited adultery were begging him to find a muslim society which will stone them to death.  Its not a good idea to give Sharia more room than there already is in the West.
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