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  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #60 - June 13, 2015, 07:36 AM

    Ooh, can I jump on the bandwagon of shameless self-promotion at the expense of dawahman too? Tongue

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzndNmHWM6k

    (At this point I'm just operating under the assumption that Lynna isn't reading anything I write because she's too stuck in the pit of confirmation bias. But hey Lynna! If you ever do read this--maybe you make the mistake of accidentally reading it, it appears on your screen for a second before you scroll past it--don't assume that I'm picking on you specifically. I'm not. And I haven't been nearly as abrasive in this thread as I have been in other discussions on similar topics. I just think you need to examine your beliefs more, and deal with the issue of not wanting to listen to things that don't agree with your preconceived notions of the world.)

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #61 - June 13, 2015, 07:46 AM

    Freak out like a 7th century camel herder cracks me up.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #62 - June 13, 2015, 09:05 AM

    I'm not saying camel herders are stupid, but Mohammad clearly hadn't received a tremendous amount of education; I mean everyone knows he was illiterate, and that's kinda basic when it comes to studying ancient writings. Seriously, the eclipse had been documented and predicted with pretty good accuracy for thousands of years in lots of civilizations. Civilizations had risen and fallen that could predict eclipses, civilizations which in dawahman's theology didn't receive revelations from Allah, or if they did, at least didn't have prophets who were as close to Allah as Mohammad. And yet, they managed to get this knowledge, while he didn't and was totally shocked and freaked out when an eclipse happened. Why? You'd think God could have given him a heads up.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #63 - June 13, 2015, 11:17 AM

    My confusion is due the piecemeal responses. Are my comment ridicule or are we talking about it in general? From my PoV my examples of archaeology are not ridicule but a conclusion based on evidence.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #64 - June 13, 2015, 04:50 PM

    Yes Quod, my last post was directed to you. I've been very exhausted the the last two days (well more then that but...). I had meant to edit the thoughts a bit but I kept on getting interrupted so I just posted it for lack of any thing better to do.

    This quote ...

    "Asking, 
    If there is no God what is the purpose of life?
    Is like asking,
    If there is no Master, whose slave shall I be?"

    Is something that is not per se ridicule. But what I was trying to say was it cajn be misdirected and then just be narrow and stupid. Someone directed this me to me when I wouldn't have asked the first question in the first place. And actually there is probably very little relationship between the two situations.   

    Your example, the song about the child rape that has gone on in the Catholic Church and the cover... Humm .... I can can understand the anger responce. This attack however isn't a direct ask on an individual. I have a bit of a temper myself self so I understand going for the anger responce. But how many times in our life are we or have we advised someone to not stoop to the level of those who offend. Of course action should be taken be all mankind to stop child abuse and serial assault. But how? ... I know several young men who will spend the rest of their life in prison because they reacted angeerly and immediately to their sisters or girlfriends being raped.
    Will I for such reasons say such a song is wrong ...No. will I agree it's a good method to deal with the problems it address...No. Is it a way to deal with the internal anger...Perhaps. Such is my opinion.
    I was rereading your post to see if  I was getting most your points and I saw this, " Ithink disrespect towards child rape and those who cover it up while preaching moral authority deserves at the very least scorn and mockery." You are totally free to feel that way if you so desire.  I however do not. For several reason.  The FRIST among those reasons being that as long as a person is a live there is hope that they might change from a wrong course of action to a better one or even what I have come to understand is the best one. SECOND Should this person be so damaged that they are a socio or psychopath their crime is about power. The power to even rule your emotions to take peace away from your world just like there is no peace in their world. THIRD  Rapist and molester or damaged  even ill. To attack them personally is like attacking a fragile person with cancer or cerebral palsy (or anything else that makes someone weak) Would you do that? (Before you attack me on this one let me say I'm a Survivor and I work with these mem at the prison. ALSO I did not say your view is wrong but only that it isn't the only possible right view)

    Your song... I didn't watch the video (almost time for my plan to cycle ie very little high speed data). The words are interesting. Perhaps you could also find a place for the word "superfluous" and  more about what it is he actually does. Still yet you're not personal attacking him to his face.

    Okay Quod my thoughts on why God is presented as male although is neither.male or female as humans, are is a bit long then your "females give birth so it seems logical that a creator god be a goddess" (I hope my paraphrase did your thought justice)

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #65 - June 13, 2015, 08:29 PM

    Your example, the song about the child rape that has gone on in the Catholic Church and the cover... Humm .... I can can understand the anger responce. This attack however isn't a direct ask on an individual. I have a bit of a temper myself self so I understand going for the anger responce. But how many times in our life are we or have we advised someone to not stoop to the level of those who offend.


    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK. Believe that crap

    Calling someone a motherfucker is not the same as raping a child or giving a pedophile easy access to more children so he can rape more of them. In terms of degrees of permanent psychological harm, the harm caused by being rude and abrasive is totally incomparable to the harm caused by the conditioning and rape of a child by a pedophile, nor to the concerted effort by power figures (who you have been indoctrinated to see as infallible) to tell you that it wasn't that bad. If you think being called a cunt because of your involvement in the rape of children is just as hurtful as being the victim of rape as a child, you are seriously fucked in the head.

    Listen to these people talk about their experiences as victims, you cunt, and come back and tell me that you have suffered more from what I just called you than they have:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahBD7lVMPsA

    FRIST among those reasons being that as long as a person is a live there is hope that they might change from a wrong course of action to a better one or even what I have come to understand is the best one. SECOND Should this person be so damaged that they are a socio or psychopath their crime is about power. The power to even rule your emotions to take peace away from your world just like there is no peace in their world. THIRD  Rapist and molester or damaged  even ill. To attack them personally is like attacking a fragile person with cancer or cerebral palsy (or anything else that makes someone weak)


    On point two--if the pedophile a sociopath or a psychopath, there is no treatment for them in modern medicine. There's no way to rehabilitate them, so there is no reasonable hope they can be reintroduced to the community without danger of them raping more children. On point 3, it's nothing like cancer, cerebral palsy, or even a mental illness like schizophrenia. These people have not lost the ability to understand that what they are doing is wrong/harmful, they simply don't care. They are not so out of touch with reality that they believe what they are doing is helpful or at least not harmful; they just have no concern for the lives, psychological health, or development of others, no respect for the autonomy of will of others, no concern for how their actions will effect those around them, because they are the only important person in their world.

    If you think the best possible thing that can happen is for them to decide to confess what they did to a priest with more authority and say some Hail Mary's, then FUCK YOU. This does fuck all to help the victim--who is the VICTIM of the crime and needs to be helped--and it encourages the pedophile that to rape more children. So if your solution to pedophiles raping children is to tell them to pray and then put them with more kids, fuck you. Seriously I can't even.

    Before you attack me on this one let me say I'm a Survivor

     

     BS meter

    Bull fucking shit. What a cockamamie load of driveling hogwash. I don't believe one fucking word of that. Either you have the most serious case of Stockholm Syndrome imaginable (meaning you're not a survivor, you're a complicit perpetuator--basically Patty Hearst), you are a fucking liar, or by "survivor" you mean that you have survived raping a child and getting away with it.

    As a real survivor (you can read about my life here: A history of me) that's such a load of crap, it's demeaning to real victims, it's morally reprehensible and it's a sign that you have no morals. I am so fucking mad about your attitude towards pedophilia and rape I can't even put into words how mad I am.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #66 - June 13, 2015, 09:07 PM

    Hey guys, I know this is a heated topic. Let's avoid personal attacks on the forum.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #67 - June 13, 2015, 10:30 PM

    Hey guys, I know this is a heated topic. Let's avoid personal attacks on the forum.


    Sorry, it just really pisses me off, since every time I tried to get help as a kid, my complaints about the abuse were swept under the rug because "it wasn't that bad" (I mean, it's only sexual abuse and attempted murder, how bad could THAT be? I'm a worthless female so I don't have any rights to my body or life anyway...) and the abuser was treated as "the real victim" because of the "slander" of me trying to hold them responsible for their actions, and so it just feels like that all over again.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #68 - June 13, 2015, 10:38 PM

    Well galfromusa, you can choose to be a victim if you wish I would never take that a way from you.

    I however have posted on this forum since 2008  with periodic vacation s. So if you like you may see what I've posted over the years.

    You however have no right to tell me what I must feel.

    The men that hurt and abused me as a child and as a young woman have no power over me. I am not ruined nor destroyed for the whole of my life those things that happened.

    But you have proven a point quiet outstandingly. There really is no need to engage in conversation with you because I don't need anyone demanding their point of view is the only right point of view on the face of the earth and that I must feel a certain way no matter how bad it is for me.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #69 - June 13, 2015, 10:42 PM

    hello galfromusa  what happened ??  
    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK. Believe that crap  ......... raping a child ........... a pedophile ......... harm ........... rape ........pedophile, ...... cunt ..... rape ........... fucked............  pedophile..............sociopath................ psychopath,............ raping..............
    ............Hail Mary's,  ........ FUCK YOU. T............ fuck you. .........Bull fucking ................shit..............hogwash. ................. so fucking mad ..............


    holly doll..  holy golly...  you are very fluent.....

    So I watched the video in your other post,,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzndNmHWM6k#t=33

    So is this you tube channel your's??  are you a fan of  that fool Imran   Mansur ?   well  you know.,  go to that scoundrel channel and tweet word about cemb., let us see how good he is in writing ..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #70 - June 13, 2015, 10:48 PM

    I would question people that support an organization that at it's highest levels has created coverups and/or relocated the perpetrator(s) away from the nation in which the crime was committed. However this would be questioning their dogma and doctrine more than their belief in God since there is nothing in the Bible about Catholic Church itself. The Church is a construct of Rome thus has it's foundation in politics.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #71 - June 13, 2015, 10:56 PM

    Sorry, it just really pisses me off, since every time I tried to get help as a kid, my complaints about the abuse were swept under the rug because "it wasn't that bad" (I mean, it's only sexual abuse and attempted murder, how bad could THAT be? I'm a worthless female so I don't have any rights to my body or life anyway...) and the abuser was treated as "the real victim" because of the "slander" of me trying to hold them responsible for their actions, and so it just feels like that all over again.


    Speaking for myself, I don't think you need to justify your feelings on the matter. You have every right to be angry, it's just the personal insults we want to keep to a minimum, that's all.


    Quote
    Well galfromusa, you can choose to be a victim if you wish I would never take that a way from you.


    Lynna, it's really great that you found a way to move on and I'm happy that your experiences don't have control over you today. You're lucky. A lot of people aren't so lucky. And not because they choose to be victims, but because they were victims, and most of them aren't going to be able to just decide to not be affected anymore, even if you did.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #72 - June 14, 2015, 06:43 AM


    Your example, the song about the child rape that has gone on in the Catholic Church and the cover... Humm .... I can can understand the anger responce. This attack however isn't a direct ask on an individual. I have a bit of a temper myself self so I understand going for the anger responce. But how many times in our life are we or have we advised someone to not stoop to the level of those who offend. Of course action should be taken be all mankind to stop child abuse and serial assault. But how? ... I know several young men who will spend the rest of their life in prison because they reacted angeerly and immediately to their sisters or girlfriends being raped.
    Will I for such reasons say such a song is wrong ...No. will I agree it's a good method to deal with the problems it address...No. Is it a way to deal with the internal anger...Perhaps. Such is my opinion.
    I was rereading your post to see if  I was getting most your points and I saw this, " Ithink disrespect towards child rape and those who cover it up while preaching moral authority deserves at the very least scorn and mockery." You are totally free to feel that way if you so desire.  I however do not.


    If we treat such people with respect we are saying that their views/actions are worthy of respect. They are not. To rule out ridicule of people for what they have done is far removed from mocking someone for things they can't help. I'm very scornful of white power nazis. I don't mock them for their ethnicity, I mock them for their racism.

    In saying it's wrong to mock people who rape children and those who help cover it up you are saying these people are above criticism. You are giving them a position they do not deserve. This is harmful and damaging. It also has the effect that those who do offer scorn are somehow "asking for it" if their scorn brings them harm. As for the pope himself, the fact he's the head of the roman catholic church, and the spiritual leader/father of a billion and a half people, means little to me. Someone with that much power over the lives and health of others is to me a person who must accept the possibility of satire, scorn, mockery etc. By doing this we humanise them and say that no, they can be questioned, and their views can be wrong. The message that wearing a condom to stop from catching and spreading AIDs is wrong, and indeed AIDs is preferable to condoms would be a prime example. How many Africans would have better lives if they felt they could question, if this man could be mocked? How many children might have felt they didn't have to stay quite for fear of upsetting god if they shine light on his living representative, Christ's vicar on Earth? Perhaps if they'd heard a song saying "Fuck the motherfucker he's as evil as the rapist" then instead of fearing speaking ill on the church, the mother of all that's holy, this veil of respect and untouchableness may have developed a tear.

    I cannot tell you how important it is to have the freedom and ability to mock, ridicule and demean. I invite you to look at the societies that do not have this right. Find me one that isn't run by dictators and tyrants.

    The FRIST among those reasons being that as long as a person is a live there is hope that they might change from a wrong course of action to a better one or even what I have come to understand is the best one.


    One has nothing to do with the other. Vile people with vile views can and do change for the better. Nothing I've said it contrary to that.

    SECOND Should this person be so damaged that they are a socio or psychopath their crime is about power. The power to even rule your emotions to take peace away from your world just like there is no peace in their world.


    I don't understand how this relates to anything I've said.

    THIRD  Rapist and molester or damaged  even ill. To attack them personally is like attacking a fragile person with cancer or cerebral palsy (or anything else that makes someone weak) Would you do that? (Before you attack me on this one let me say I'm a Survivor and I work with these mem at the prison. ALSO I did not say your view is wrong but only that it isn't the only possible right view)


    I don't just find what you're said shocking and ludicrous, I find it sick. You cannot for one second compare attacking rapists and molesters for their actions to attacking a sick person for their illness with any moral seriousness. Being a survivor of such actions yourself does not give your views any more or any less credibility. I find your views to be, at best, perverse. That's the kindest way I can describe them.

    Okay Quod my thoughts on why God is presented as male although is neither.male or female as humans, are is a bit long then your "females give birth so it seems logical that a creator god be a goddess" (I hope my paraphrase did your thought justice)


    I suppose it's because we're looking at it from different eyes. From my point of view the gods (your's included) are fictional beings created by humans. Of course if your view is that this god or that god actually does exist it'll appear quite differently.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #73 - June 14, 2015, 07:46 AM


    So is this you tube channel your's??  are you a fan of  that fool Imran   Mansur ?   well  you know.,  go to that scoundrel channel and tweet word about cemb., let us see how good he is in writing ..


    Yes that's my channel, I don't know why you'd think I'm a fan of dawahman based on it, I mean the one video I made that features him is making fun of him.

    Speaking for myself, I don't think you need to justify your feelings on the matter. You have every right to be angry, it's just the personal insults we want to keep to a minimum, that's all.



    Sorry for my part in derailing the thread, I just want to say I reread my post to see if I had taken things too personally and should soften it a bit because I was attacking her and not what she said, and I think the answer is no. The one insult I threw at her directly and not at her beliefs and statements (which are all insane and/or morally reprehensible) was part of a sentence to which the point was "how can you possibly say that being called names is equivalent to being psychologically conditioned and systematically raped"; it was to demonstrate the point I was making that the quantitative amount of harm done is incomparable.

    Here's my attempt at using this to segway back to the topic:

    It's possible that Lynna believes that rape isn't that bad because she doesn't believe that individuals have a right to control their own sexuality. In the Abrahamic traditions, there are a lot of things that have very toxic views of femininity. Three points in particular stand out to me from my own childhood: that a woman is not able to control property--she IS property, and her sexuality, her love, and her services inside the home are a commodity that is owned by one man, and can be sold to another; that she must be beautiful and sexually attractive for her husband, or else it's her fault if he cheats on her or takes another wife; and that her value in life is in potential sons, if she doesn't have sons she has no value, if she has a lot of sons, she's very valuable.

    But that doesn't mean these kinds of ideas originated from the Abrahamic religions. Hammurabi's code contains a lot of the same ideas, notably that a woman's sexuality is not under her control and that women could not be trusted with owning property. So the ideas probably fermented in the fertile crescent and spread outwards from there, since a lot of other civilizations in other parts of the world never developed ideas like that or didn't until they came under the influence of rulers or religions that were from there.

    And maybe that's a reason why the masculine words won out--the local society already had lost the idea that women could be equals to men by the time that the earliest Abrahamic traditions' texts were written.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #74 - June 14, 2015, 01:20 PM

    Yes that's my channel, ..

    Good.. good..  ............................but you have only two tubes   Huh?   add more


    Quote
    I don't know why you'd think I'm a fan of dawahman based on it, I mean the one video I made that features him is making fun of him...


    Well then don't make fun of fools... don't advertise fools .. don't make videos on them... Just links..  LINK THEIR VIDEOS  PICK UP THEIR WORDS AND  INSULT THEM....   writing.. writing is more important.. and you write well you also know how to use words.. The right  words..

    you know what I just realized that heading of tube in your channel says  " WATCH THIS BEFORE YOU CONVERT TO ISLAM!! (SCARY!!)   by Ex Muslim Gal"That is NOT a right heading., if I were you I will say., "WATCH THE FOOLS THAT PREACH THEIR  ISLAM ON INTERNET".,

    That is because that rascal doesn't represent Islam  "he represents HIS ISLAM"  not Islam of every one..    The other problem with that video is you have NOT USED ANY OF YOUR WORDS.. you just pasted his link., you know there are copy protection laws on YouTube channels.?? Ideally you could use few of his words and tell the public what is wrong with such fools and their Islam.   Anyways please continue

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #75 - June 14, 2015, 01:45 PM



    Sorry for my part in derailing the thread, I just want to say I reread my post to see if I had taken things too personally and should soften it a bit because I was attacking her and not what she said, and I think the answer is no.


    Now that Qtian has been away for a while I think I'm the king of derailing threads.  grin12 But anyway, speaking for myself again, you're not being reprimanded or anything, and I get that you insulted her to prove a point, but it was obvious that this was getting heated and emotional and contentious. It seemed like then was a good time to step in and remind everyone to try and avoid making it personal, since it looked like it was going to head down that road. That's all.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #76 - June 14, 2015, 01:57 PM

    Now that Qtian has been away for a while I think I'm the king of derailing threads.  grin12 .............. and I get that you insulted her to prove a point,.............

    derailing threads with one or two posts is OK .. you are there to bring them back on rails lua., but I don't think musagirl is insulting Lynna.  She is just using  those words., I guess  musagirl  may be bit angry with the way Lynna is using passive words towards   the rogues that may have troubled others.  Lynna works in correction facility so she has to use RELIGION/ RELIGIOUS WORDS  to correct the rascals that went wayward in their life due to one reason or other.

    Common Lynna can take bit of that ..may be on the way Lynna culd  convert musagirl back in to religious life ..   Cheesy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #77 - June 14, 2015, 02:29 PM

    You get what I mean, Yeez. Grin Like I said, no one got reprimanded, just wanted to prod everything in a calmer direction before it got way too personal.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #78 - June 14, 2015, 02:52 PM

     
     Lynna works in correction facility so she has to use RELIGION/ RELIGIOUS WORDS  to correct the rascals that went wayward in their life due to one reason or other.

    Common Lynna can take bit of that ..may be on the way Lynna culd  convert musagirl back in to religious life ..   Cheesy


    Hi Yeezevee, 
    I was going to use a few minutes to get this thread back on the rails of the topic. Actually it wasnt that far off. Quod and I were just talking about a few things before I spoke of my religious point of view. I'm not inclined to spoke to those who only what to agrue. So I was clarifying what the point of the conversation was. Some others keep trying to get involved as is their right. Is doesn't mean I need to address their issues though.

    Actually in the prison I MUST NOT INITIATE A RELIGIOUS CONVERASTION. Unless I know something to be that persons point of view. But I do make it a point to  know what a individual man feels about religion. But readjusting rogues is a job that takes a bit of what may at times appear to others as very passive stands on issues.

    Next post will be about my thoughts about God.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #79 - June 14, 2015, 05:48 PM

    Good.. good..  ............................but you have only two tubes   Huh?   add more



    Working on it, lack of equipment is getting in the way.

    Well then don't make fun of fools... don't advertise fools .. don't make videos on them... Just links..  LINK THEIR VIDEOS  PICK UP THEIR WORDS AND  INSULT THEM....   writing.. writing is more important.. and you write well you also know how to use words.. The right  words..

    The other problem with that video is you have NOT USED ANY OF YOUR WORDS.. you just pasted his link., you know there are copy protection laws on YouTube channels.?? Ideally you could use few of his words and tell the public what is wrong with such fools and their Islam.   Anyways please continue

    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    The problem with simply providing the link to the videos on his channel is that it drives his ad revenue and his view count (which makes youtube promote his videos more, because the algorithm thinks he's got good content). I added my commentary as words on the screen, not as audio, because of the aforementioned lack of equipment. The copyright protection they use is the DMCA (because they're based in the USA), and that allows for fair use--you can use a person's work if it's for the purposes of commentary, criticism, or parody: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #80 - June 14, 2015, 05:59 PM

    I just saw this and thought it was appropriate for this conversation:


    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #81 - June 14, 2015, 06:19 PM

    It's sad people even have to point that out.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #82 - June 14, 2015, 06:36 PM

    It's possible that Lynna believes that rape isn't that bad because

    You're putting words in her mouth, She never said that.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #83 - June 14, 2015, 06:51 PM

    I just saw this and thought it was appropriate for this conversation:

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Hmm that is a good point.., I  got to make a note of it  and now I should make fun of Brian Cox  and musagirl..   But making fun of people is different from throwing insults at the folks who may or may not be right but willing to listen/think about our point of view musagirl..

    You're putting words in her mouth, She never said that.

     No she is NOT., musagirl didn't do that  ..   I protest ....  did she??

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why is God not female?
     Reply #84 - June 14, 2015, 10:27 PM

    You're putting words in her mouth, She never said that.


    She said that writing a song that calls the Pope a motherfucker for his cover-up of pedophile priests, which gave them more access to kids who they also raped, is to "stoop to the level of those who offend." Equating "calling someone a mean name" and "actively helping someone to rape a child" is pretty much the definition of minimizing the badness of rape. Then she went on to make excuses for pedophiles, saying that it's wrong to attack them for their actions because what's wrong with them is similar to cerebral palsy or cancer. If that's not saying "rape isn't all that bad; after all, the rapist is a victim too, because he can't control himself and he is getting his name dragged through the mud" -- then what is?

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
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     Reply #85 - June 15, 2015, 01:00 AM


    Just from the stand point of logic it has many faults. However would you be willing to admit that it does... because in doing so you would at least show that that line of thought in and of itself doesn't necessarily prove or establish a good reason to be absolutely convinced.




    You want a standard that your own religion can not provide by evidence yet feel that views with evidence need to be a such a level of absoluteness you will never be convinced. More so science does not deal in absolutes. I see this comment as nothing more than admitting that you will never be convinced of anything you hold to be true regardless of evidence against it. This is an ideology nothing more.
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     Reply #86 - June 15, 2015, 08:06 AM

    She said

    It's easy to see it that way but I doubt that's what she meant.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #87 - June 15, 2015, 10:54 AM

    She said that writing a song that calls the Pope a motherfucker for his cover-up of pedophile priests, which gave them more access to kids who they also raped, is to "stoop to the level of those who offend." Equating "calling someone a mean name" and "actively helping someone to rape a child" is pretty much the definition of minimizing the badness of rape. Then she went on to make excuses for pedophiles, saying that it's wrong to attack them for their actions because what's wrong with them is similar to cerebral palsy or cancer. If that's not saying "rape isn't all that bad; after all, the rapist is a victim too, because he can't control himself and he is getting his name dragged through the mud" -- then what is?


    hello galfromusa ...musagirl... amrikagirl.....angry girl.... you do have a point  in your responses  but I wonder whether you could be less acidic   less angry and more funny  in your responses??  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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     Reply #88 - June 15, 2015, 11:25 AM

    hello galfromusa ...musagirl... amrikagirl.....angry girl.... you do have a point  in your responses  but I wonder whether you could be less acidic   less angry and more funny  in your responses??  


    It's gal from usa. I don't know why you keep calling me "musagirl". Anyway, this is one issue that I feel really strongly that you cannot coddle or negotiate with people on. She can have whatever insane beliefs about God and Jesus and the supernatural she wants, she can misrepresent what the Bible or Quran say all she wants, she can be as ignorant about history as she wants. I don't even care too much about historic debates of whether or not someone was a pedophile--because in the end, even if someone was a victim 1000 years ago, there's not much we can do about it now. But when it comes to committing a crime against a living, breathing person--someone who is alive today--or aiding and abetting a living person who has committed acts of violence, THAT is where I draw the line, and the person no longer deserves any respect. If you don't think it's all that bad for someone to rape a child, you are morally reprehensible, and there's no way to put it nicely, and telling her that that attitude is ok would be just as bad as her attitude is.

    I don't know if any of you have been following the Duggar family's story, but that is an excellent example of this exact attitude and how it harms real people and perpetuates the violence by helping instead of stopping the person responsible. If you haven't heard about the story, this is a very good recap of it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqE3f03NH6M

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
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     Reply #89 - June 15, 2015, 12:36 PM

    It's gal from usa. I don't know why you keep calling me "musagirl"......................

    I don't know if any of you have been following the Duggar family's story, ....................

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqE3f03NH6M


    well I can not read all that you wrote, I can not think about it ,   I can not see all the tube of that guy on some duds and their 100 chickens .,     That dugger idiot has specific psychotic  problem.. what you call as incest in the family .. That is just one issue  a very specific criminal issue  and it is different issue from what women/young women folks face in general in the society due to religious rubbish . but you must realize such things may happen with or without religions..  So I am not really sure why you are getting that  Idiot's family   and their problems in to this discussion..   but i did here that on AMRIKA news some times back and I think it is more of a television hype.  These idiots who watch such TV shows all the time and Idiots who blast such news and stories of such families on TV have very little to do in life. So I can not deal with it.,

     As far as "musagirl" is concerned... Do you know "Who  musa was"?? are you familiar with that historical name "musa"??   I am just curious .   If you know who musa was., then tell me you are NOT a musagirl.. But  if you do't know who musa  was., then the problem is different., The problem is me NOT you..  

    cool down.. not just on this issue.. in life in-general.. take a deep breath..  but often you are right.. Some pricks should be in jail for they do in politics .. they add religions in to politics to get elected and and   all they do  is corruption and money laundering

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    with best wishes
    yeezevee

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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