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  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #300 - August 17, 2015, 11:05 PM

    @Zeca, why do you think it will be elections later in the year if Syriza stays united? We just had elections...

    Also don't you think that after the big failure in the negotiations with the UE and the new reforms starting to have effect in 2-3 months, Syriza support will going to fall and falling fast? I mean they have failed miserable on what they have promised.... 


    An explanation here: http://www.macropolis.gr/?i=portal.en.the-agora.2844#sthash.o8thNAQq.uxfs&st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/66TWJcPEGM

    The third memorandum annotated by Varoufakis: http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/08/17/greeces-third-mou-memorandum-of-understading-annotated-by-yanis-varoufakis/
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #301 - August 18, 2015, 11:59 AM

    Sounds like new elections are coming...
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #302 - August 18, 2015, 04:19 PM

    http://www.unhcr.org/55d32dcf6.html
    Quote
    ....
    More refugees and migrants arrived in Greece last month than during the whole of 2014, the UN refugee agency announced on Tuesday, and called for a European-wide response to deal with the escalating crisis.

    UNHCR said that in July 50,242 people, mostly fleeing the conflict in Syria, arrived in Greece compared to 43,500 for the whole of last year. This dramatic increase means that the total number of refugees and migrants arriving in Greece had now reached the 160,000 mark.

    "The latest figures compiled by UNHCR show the number of sea arrivals from 1 January to 14 August 2015 to be 158,456. During the same period, 1,716 refugees and migrants entered Greece through its land border with Turkey, bringing the total number of arrivals (sea and land) to 160,172," UNHCR spokesperson William Spindler told a press briefing in Geneva.

    He added that last week alone nearly 21,000 refugees and migrants arrived in Greece, almost half the total number of arrivals in all of 2014.

    "The pace of arrivals has been steadily increasing in recent weeks," Spindler told reporters, adding that: "the vast majority of last week's arrivals were Syrians (16,997 people or 82% of the total), Afghans (2,847 or 14%) and Iraqis (582 or 3%), confirming that the overwhelming majority of arrivals are likely to qualify for refugee status."
    ....

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #303 - August 18, 2015, 05:52 PM

    The refugee crisis on Leros
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mpxz8Pf2VNE
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #304 - August 18, 2015, 06:43 PM

    ^A comment on terminology...

    Quote from: IrateGreek
    99% of last week's arrivals in #Greece are from Syria, Afghanistan & Iraq. Yet media insist on calling them "migrants".

    82% from Syria, 14% from Afghanistan, 3% from Iraq according to UNHCR. These are not migrants, they're prima facie #refugeesGr.

    When zillions of Syrians flee to Lebanon, Jordan & Turkey they're refugees. If they come to Europe they're migrants. #hypocrisy #refugeesGr

    ΠΡΟΣΦΥΓΕΣ ρε γαμώτο σας. Πρόσφυγες. #refugeesGr   https://twitter.com/tovimagr/status/633615831159713792
    [rough translation: "REFUGEES for fucks sake. Refugees."]

    https://mobile.twitter.com/IrateGreek/status/633627490427080704
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #305 - August 18, 2015, 11:23 PM

    I should have more guilt and empathy for the migrants, wherever they may be, and wherever they want or need to be heading. I should, but unfortunately, I don't. As Dinosaur Junior once sang: I feel the pain of everyone, and then I feel nothing. I am mostly close to the 'feel nothing' stage now, and that is so bad of me. I hope my humanity returns.

    This is something I've been mulling over too.

    I think it's something to do with a climate in which 'humanity' (in its guise of compassion and empathy) has become obligatory. It is a badge of piety that brings social and psychological benefits to its wearer (sic) without exposing them to any risk.

    You instinctively refuse this evasion, as do I - perhaps because we is cunts, or perhaps because we recoil against empty sentimentalism and the assumption of human superiority that underpins it. The demand of empathy kills empathy.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #306 - August 18, 2015, 11:30 PM

    I have to admit I react with horror whenever I hear of encroaching on the green belt which more and more people are talking about as we have so many people and more coming on a regular basis. I wonder if it's simple things like this and/or a dislike of muslims which is fuelling apathy if not outright hostility.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #307 - August 19, 2015, 01:32 PM

    ...so many people, dislike of Muslims, dislike of Islam, dislike of immigrants, dislike of other cultures, dislike of non-white people(racism), etc. One of these or many of these or all of these.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #308 - August 19, 2015, 01:37 PM



    Some people are just great. The family from Aleppo  that were laughing at their own tragedy... Impressive to be like this in these kind of moments.  Afro
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #309 - August 19, 2015, 09:18 PM

    I have to admit I react with horror whenever I hear of encroaching on the green belt which more and more people are talking about as we have so many people and more coming on a regular basis. I wonder if it's simple things like this and/or a dislike of muslims which is fuelling apathy if not outright hostility.


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33986738
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #310 - August 19, 2015, 10:25 PM

    Oh thank christ, I thought it was about the green belt.

    This is from last month in Brussels.

    Remarks of Commissioner Avramopoulos after the Justice and Home Affairs Council on 20 July 2015

    Quote
    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    In today's Council we achieved many important results. Our policy on migration is moving ahead.

    Before I explain the details, I would like once again to thank Jean Asselborn and the Luxembourgish Presidency for the excellent work and fruitful cooperation.

    In just a few weeks we managed to achieve a lot.

    On resettlement, we got the result we were looking for. Thanks to the generous pledges of the Member States and the Schengen Associated States, we have an agreement on the resettlement of 22,504 refugees in need of protection from outside of Europe. This is the highest number ever achieved.

    On the relocation of 40,000 people in clear need of international protection within the EU, we are almost there.

    Member States adopted a resolution that confirms the overall figure of 40,000 and they have so far pledged for 32,256 places. The remaining 7,744 will be allocated by December 2015.

    Given that the pledges for resettlement are more than 20,000, we agreed on the principle that additional resettlement places will transferred to relocation.

    It is clear Member States must deliver on the promises made at the European Council last month, to reach the agreed figure of 40,000 persons proposed by the Commission.

    I am disappointed that this did not happen today but it was a very important step forward.

    This shows that a voluntary scheme is difficult to implement. We would have preferred the use of the proposed redistribution key.

    That is why the Commission will put forward later this year a proposal for a fixed emergency system, to address future emergencies.

    Solidarity is one of the basic principles of the European Union. It is both a moral and a legal commitment to ensure that Member States stand by each other in times of need.

    During the meeting, I strongly urged the Member States to make a final effort in order to reach the 40,000 figure.

    Though it may be difficult not to feel disappointed, we should not underestimate the important and historical step forward we have taken.

    For many Member States, it will be the first time they will participate in resettlement efforts.

    And this is the first time in the history of European migration policy that relocation efforts will be undertaken.

    Moreover, today's decisions will allow for the timely implementation of the resettlement and relocation schemes.

    Even if the attention is on resettlement and relocation, we should not forget that they are only part of a broader package of measures that will allow Europe to address the ongoing migratory challenges.

    We now have the “Hotspots”. The Commission presented the roadmap for Italy and Greece, which explains how the “Hotspots” approach will be implemented.

    This new approach offers a coordinated platform for EU Agencies – notably EASO, Frontex and Europol – to intervene rapidly at Europe’s external borders – in this case, Italy and Greece.

    We will also offer assistance on return operations. Frontex will bring immediate support to frontline Member States on returns. We will propose for 2016 a higher dedicated budget of €16.2 million to make sure the Agency plays a key role in increasing the return of illegal migrants.

    We also made progress on "safe countries of origin", which will help alleviate the burden on the asylum procedures of many Member States.

    Our guidelines on fingerprinting newly arrived applicants for international protection were also endorsed. Member States also committed to instruct their respective national authorities to follow these guidelines.

    Moreover, l would like to point out that as of midnight today the Common European Asylum System will be complete – giving the European Union the highest asylum standards worldwide. Now, we have to ensure that the system is fully implemented.

    Ladies and gentlemen,

    In the last few months, we have achieved more than we have done in the past decade.

    Two months ago, when presenting the European Agenda on Migration, the Commission committed to putting in place a comprehensive approach on migration.

    I am glad to see that our proposals have produced tangible results.
    We still have work ahead of us, but today's progress should not be underestimated.

    I trust now that Member States will take the final step to complete the pledges on relocation.

    Thank you.


    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-15-5421_en.htm

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #311 - August 19, 2015, 11:00 PM

    Quote
    we have an agreement on the resettlement of 22,504 refugees in need of protection from outside of Europe. This is the highest number ever achieved.

    Great. That's just over the number that arrived in Greece last week.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #312 - August 19, 2015, 11:19 PM

    zeca, in your opinion, do you think this has anything to do with it?

    I have to admit I react with horror whenever I hear of encroaching on the green belt which more and more people are talking about as we have so many people and more coming on a regular basis. I wonder if it's simple things like this and/or a dislike of muslims which is fuelling apathy if not outright hostility.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #313 - August 19, 2015, 11:42 PM

    The green belt and population growth - I see this written about occasionally but I shouldn't think it really has that much influence on views on immigration. Competition for jobs might be a more real issue that can directly affect people, though it seems more about workers from other EU countries anyway. Anti-Muslim feeling - it's definitely around. I think the way refugee issues are dealt with by the media must play a part as well.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #314 - August 19, 2015, 11:49 PM

    I don't just mean the green belt, I was just using a classic UK example. Changing landscapes and whatnot in all these different countries.

    I would hope wanting to preserve the beauty of the countryside and rural landscape would not be a factor when it comes to human beings, but I do wonder if it's many little things like that which, perhaps subconsciously, play a part. The fact many are muslims could factor into it with people being afraid the society and culture they're familiar with will be at risk. Slovakia certainty seems to think so and I'm wondering if they're simply being honest while other countries aren't. Might not be that of course, but it would explain a lot. Landscape and culture at the expense of human lives.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #315 - August 20, 2015, 12:02 AM

    I was thinking of people like Migration Watch who actually make this kind of argument about population growth. I'm not convinced it plays much part in most people's thinking, but yes, maybe it's there at some subconscious level. I can see people of a different race and religion not fitting in with the idea people have in their heads of what their society should look like, even more so in somewhere like Slovakia. That's definitely true of Greek society as well, more so I think than Britain, but Greece has never had a realistic option of keeping refugees and migrants out.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #316 - August 20, 2015, 12:18 AM

    Quote from: Asteris Masouras
    Refugees bottlenecked on several legs of the journey from Turkey to Western Europe via Greece & numbers are swelling. Was that the EU plan?

    What happens when Hungary completes the border fence? Does the EU have a plan on how to help refugees stranded in the Balkans thru winter?

    @asteris Does the EU care about refugees stranded in the Balkans during winter?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/asteris/status/634071843675197440
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #317 - August 20, 2015, 12:33 PM

    Ship full of Syrian refugees arriving in Piraeus. This is the ship sent to Kos after the shambles in the stadium there.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PMLFxKQRQEg
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #318 - August 20, 2015, 04:09 PM

    Well, this has coming...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34007859
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #319 - August 20, 2015, 09:02 PM

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/20/macedonia-state-of-emergency-migrant-crisis
    Quote
    Macedonia has declared a state of emergency in an attempt to stem the flow of migrants over its southern border with Greece, deploying riot police in armoured vehicles and calling out the army.

    Authorities said official border crossings remained open, but that they would “reduce illegal border entry to a minimum”.

    A Reuters reporter near the border town of Gevgelija said a column of riot police armed with teargas and armoured vehicles had shut off passage for several thousand people now stranded in no-man’s land.
    ....


    It looks like this may have been in response to the ship from Kos which had been scheduled to sail to Thessaloniki.

    http://www.tovima.gr/en/article/?aid=730674
    Quote
    The Eleftherios Venizelos ferry boat arrived in the port of Piraeus shortly after 9am on Thursday morning carrying about 2,450 Syrian refugees from the islands of Kos, Kalymnos, Leros and Mytilene.

    Initially the ferry boat was to take the refugees to Thessaloniki from where they would be taken to Idomeni near Kilkis, on the border with FYROM. Government sources however noted that the ferry boat was diverted to Piraeus in order to confirm the identity of about 150 refugees at the immigration authorities.

    A well-informed source however has told To Vima that the reason for the change in final destination was to avoid having thousands of refugees crossing over the into FYROM overnight, which may in turn cause a diplomatic incident or force Skopje to close down its border to Greece.
    ....


    https://mobile.twitter.com/teacherdude/status/634411541417345024
    Quote from: Teacher Dude
    Greek FYR Macedonian border closed, the 2,500 Syrian refugees heading there are about to walk onto EU clusterf*ck.

    Thessaloniki and northern Greek border village of Eidomeni about to become new Kos as borders shut down.

    Refugees at the mercy of the whims of the EU, a place where the the biggest bigot wins.

    Our group is ready for tomorrow, not sure what we'll expect...

    Proud to work with great bunch of people but we're a small group and our resources are limited, not sure how we can deal with 1000's.

    On the other hand refugees are very clued up on current events and may decide to stay in Athens, very fluid situation.

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #320 - August 21, 2015, 10:05 AM

    Imagine waking your children in the morning. Imagine feeding and dressing them. Imagine pulling a little girl’s hair into a ponytail, arguing with a little boy about which pair of shoes he wants to wear.
      
    Now imagine, as you are doing that, you know later today you will strap their vulnerable bodies into enveloping life jackets and take them with you in a rubber dinghy - through waters that have claimed many who have done the same.
      
    Think of the story you’d have to tell to reassure them. Think of trying to make it fun. Consider the emotional strength needed to smile at them and conceal your fear.

    What would it feel like if that experience – your frantic flight from war – was then diminished by a media that crudely labelled you and your family "migrants"?

    And imagine having little voice to counter a description so commonly used by governments and journalists.

    The umbrella term migrant is no longer fit for purpose when it comes to describing the horror unfolding in the Mediterranean. It has evolved from its dictionary definitions into a tool that dehumanises and distances, a blunt pejorative.
      
    It is not hundreds of people who drown when a boat goes down in the Mediterranean, nor even hundreds of refugees. It is hundreds of migrants. It is not a person – like you, filled with thoughts and history and hopes – who is on the tracks delaying a train. It is a migrant. A nuisance.

    It already feels like we are putting a value on the word. Migrant deaths are not worth as much to the media as the deaths of others - which means that their lives are not. Drowning disasters drop further and further down news bulletins. We rarely talk about the dead as individuals anymore. They are numbers.
      
    When we in the media do this, when we apply reductive terminology to people, we help to create an environment in which a British foreign minister can refer to "marauding migrants," and in which hate speech and thinly veiled racism can fester.
      
    We become the enablers of governments who have political reasons for not calling those drowning in the Mediterranean what the majority of them are: refugees.
      
    We give weight to those who want only to see economic migrants.

    The argument that most of those risking everything to land on Europe’s shores are doing it for money is not supported by the facts.

    According to the UN, the overwhelming majority of these people are escaping war. The largest group are fleeing Syria, a country in which an estimated 220,000 to more than 300,000 people have been killed during its appalling and escalating war.
      
    Many others come from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Eritrea and Somalia – all places from which people are commonly given asylum.
      
    There is no "migrant" crisis in the Mediterranean. There is a very large number of refugees fleeing unimaginable misery and danger and a smaller number of people trying to escape the sort of poverty that drives some to desperation.

    So far this year, nearly 340,000 people in these circumstances have crossed Europe's borders. A large number, for sure, but still only 0.045 percent of Europe's total population of 740 million.  
      
    Contrast that with Turkey, which hosts 1.8 million refugees from Syria alone. Lebanon, in which there are more than one million Syrians. Even Iraq, struggling with a war of its own, is home to more than 200,000 people who have fled its neighbour.
      
    There are no easy answers and taking in refugees is a difficult challenge for any country but, to find solutions, an honest conversation is necessary.
      
    And much of that conversation is shaped by the media.
      
    For reasons of accuracy, the director of news at Al Jazeera English, Salah Negm, has decided that we will no longer use the word migrant in this context. We will instead, where appropriate, say refugee.
      
    At this network, we try hard through our journalism to be the voice of those people in our world who – for whatever reason – find themselves without one.
      
    Migrant is a word that strips suffering people of voice. Substituting it for refugee is – in the smallest way – an attempt to give some back.

    Barry Malone is an online editor at Al Jazeera.

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #321 - August 21, 2015, 10:22 AM

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uhB7gAKdc7w


    Followed by the Syriza split:

    Quote from: Nick Malkoutzis
    Laiki Enotita (Popular Unity) is name of new group formed by rebel SYRIZA MPs - announced in Parliament now

    25 SYRIZA MPs who didn't vote for 3rd bailout have just announced their independence, forming new party called Popular Unity

    New party of SYRIZA rebels (Popular Unity) will be led by ex-Energy Minister Lafazanis. Doesn't incl parl't speaker Konstantopoulou

    The 25 SYRIZA rebels will initially have own parl't group, which will form basis for new party. Varoufakis not among them either

    https://mobile.twitter.com/NickMalkoutzis/status/634626746793467904
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #322 - August 21, 2015, 10:33 AM

    Quote
    .@MSF team in Greece says it has received 10 people injured by stun grenades at Macedonian border; four hospitalised

    https://mobile.twitter.com/damomac/status/634670109844447232

    Quote
    More than 3000 refugees are gathered at the Greece/FYROM borders, tensions are high, #MSF teams treating injured people with shrapnel wounds

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MSF/status/634663159090053120


    Macedonia police use tear gas against refugees: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34014353

    Video: http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/aug/21/macedonia-riot-police-teargas-migrants-video
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #323 - August 21, 2015, 04:04 PM



    And Poland: https://mobile.twitter.com/duncanrobinson/status/634707178235031553/photo/1
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #324 - August 21, 2015, 04:46 PM

    Quote
    Seems Greek - FYR Macedonian border is partially open once more and some (not all) of those gathered are being allowed through.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/teacherdude/status/634767513256116224
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #325 - August 21, 2015, 07:14 PM



    To be fair to the poles it is not the government position,  but still surprised.  In Slovakia's case not so...
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #326 - August 21, 2015, 07:34 PM

    The Macedonian border: https://mobile.twitter.com/Agapi_V/status/634792427254083584
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #327 - August 22, 2015, 11:12 AM


    https://mobile.twitter.com/Chara_fc/status/635013633697796096
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #328 - August 23, 2015, 05:57 PM

    People are going to die because of this:
    Quote
    A joint action plan drafted by the Greek Police, the Hellenic Coast Guard and Frontex aims to boost patrols in the eastern Aegean in a bid to curb a dramatic influx of refugees and immigrants, Fabrice Leggeri, the executive director of the European Union’s border monitoring agency, has told Kathimerini.

    The key goal of the European border guards will be to spot smuggling vessels heading toward Greece from neighboring Turkey before they enter Greek waters and to inform Turkish Coast Guard officials so the vessels can be returned.
    ....

    http://www.ekathimerini.com/200832/article/ekathimerini/news/frontex-to-boost-patrols-in-aegean-to-halt-migrants
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #329 - August 23, 2015, 11:21 PM

    A matter of perspective and historical remembrance: http://www.pappaspost.com/a-matter-of-perspective-and-historical-remembrance-while-syrians-flock-to-greece/
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