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  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #60 - July 31, 2015, 06:56 PM

    ^ seems though you mentioned my name Whabbist, I will add the post to the greatest hits thread  : )
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #61 - July 31, 2015, 10:16 PM

    ^ seems though you mentioned my name Whabbist, I will add the post to the greatest hits thread  : )

     Suki dear, a few posts of mine have made it to the hits chart recently, though I have yet to be paid a penny. I don't know but from what I've seen so far, #happymurtad might well be the bean counter. In any case, don’t you think we should now start a TIDAL service or something?
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #62 - August 01, 2015, 09:03 AM

    The Cultural/Agnostic/Folk Muslims have some way to go. An ex-friend from school is in Uni in Malaysia and he went to this talk there. This is a piccy he put up and also his comment.

  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #63 - August 01, 2015, 09:13 AM

    This is his view on Same-Sex Marriage

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/wael-ibrahim/endless-demands-of-human-beings-where-will-it-take-us/335361586625293

    Endless demands of human beings. Where will it take us?
    4 September 2014 at 04:22

    Bismillah. Assalamo Alikum,

    Sometimes ago i engaged in an interfaith dialogue in one of the universities in the Philippines on the subject of “same sex marriage”, in my speech, I was trying to draw people’s attention to the fact that 60 or 70 years back discussing such a topic was a taboo and in most cases people considers it to be an immoral act. In fact, the same apply to premarital relationships. At that time, you could NOT simply go to your parents and tell them 'let me introduce you to my boyfriend or girlfriend'. Such actions were completely condemned, rejected and unacceptable to the society. However, nowadays,even having children out of the wedlock has become the norm in many countries.

    Homosexuals then demanded for "their rights" and they were able successfully to convince various governments to allow them to legally get married. Anyways, In my argument I was saying, how about 100 years from now? What else can human beings come up with and demand as their rights? Can we start asking governments to legalize incest? - Yes I know it is horrible to even imagine that your own mother one day will become your girlfriend or wife!!! Yes I know you are now opening your eyes wide and saying 'that's SICK'... BUT will we have that same reaction in a 100 years from now?.

    When I mentioned this point in the dialogue, the panelists were laughing sarcastically because they simply don't accept incest as a normal relationship between genders; one of the speakers was a gay priest who issues marriage certificates from his own church to homosexuals in Philippines. Of course he was not in favor of my argument, simply because what is considered as absolutely normal for him [homosexuality and same sex marriage] is totally rejected by others including myself, and what he thinks is unacceptable to the society [incest, beastiality etc], maybe in few years will become the norm.

    And it happens.I came across 2 articles in which one of them mentioned that a man from Florida is already demanding to legally marry his own computer! YES you read it correctly, he wishes to marry his porn filled laptop computer. And his argument is that if gays are allowed to legally marry, then why not other sexual minorities!

    SOURCE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10814098/marriage-gay-marriage-mac-wedding-computer-Florida-Utah.html

    The second article I just read today, and it was about an Indian girl who already got married to a strayed DOG in order to ward off ‘evil’ - -

    SOURCE: http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/506647/Indian-girl-marries-dog-to-warn-off-evil-spirits

    Who can come up with more ideas? Who would fulfill the endless demands of human beings? - - That's why we need our Creator. We need Him badly to tell us what is right and what is evil, what is beneficial to the society and what could destroy it altogether. We need Allah the Exalted, the Most Wise to guide us through this very difficult time.
    All I can say at the moment is all praises due to Allah who made us MUSLIMS and sent us the final and most complete revelation, The Qur'an. Alhamdulilah

    If you are asking yourself the question "What if these actions became the norm in our societies?" then read the following 2 Ayaat...

    وَلَوِ اتَّبَعَ الْحَقُّ أَهْوَاءَهُمْ لَفَسَدَتِ السَّمَاوَاتُ وَالْأَرْ‌ضُ وَمَن فِيهِنَّ ۚ بَلْ أَتَيْنَاهُم بِذِكْرِ‌هِمْ فَهُمْ عَن ذِكْرِ‌هِم مُّعْرِ‌ضُونَ

    But if the Truth had followed their inclinations, the heavens and the earth and whoever is in them would have been ruined. Rather, We have brought them their message, but they, from their message, are turning away. Qur'an 23:71

    وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ‌ مَن فِي الْأَرْ‌ضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّـهِ ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَخْرُ‌صُونَ

    And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.Qur'an 6:116

    Salams.
    Wael Ibrahim
    Sept. 4, 2014
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #64 - August 01, 2015, 10:03 AM

    Forget the shiekhs, imams, Dawahgandists, self-appointed spokesmen. Of course they will oppose any radical change.

    My belief is that ordinary Muslims are growing tired of their empty words and are ready for real change.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #65 - August 01, 2015, 10:16 AM

    Agreed!  Smiley
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #66 - August 01, 2015, 10:26 AM

    Next: Introducing secular sharia

    How many muslims on your page, Hassan, are saying this and gaymosques/gaymarriage proves that the end times are near.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #67 - August 01, 2015, 11:59 AM

    Hmm.... Killers...... MURDERERS  all together joined in this folder to Murder Literal Islam...

    ARREST THEM......... Dammit Put them in Jail..... finmad finmad

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #68 - August 01, 2015, 02:03 PM

    ^
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    Homosexuals then demanded for "their rights" and they were able successfully to convince various governments to allow them to legally get married. Anyways, In my argument I was saying, how about 100 years from now? What else can human beings come up with and demand as their rights? Can we start asking governments to legalize incest?


    Interesting how polygamy is sanctioned in Islam, yet in the west polygamy is viewed as immoral, perhaps one day it will become lawful practice .

  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #69 - August 01, 2015, 02:21 PM

    Polygamy is not sanctioned in Islam. Only polygyny is.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #70 - August 01, 2015, 03:16 PM

    oops, yes that's correct  : )
  • Re: Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #71 - August 01, 2015, 05:41 PM

    ^
    Interesting how polygamy is sanctioned in Islam, yet in the west polygamy is viewed as immoral, perhaps one day it will become lawful practice .



    I point out that the prophet of Islam married a 6 year old when someone with an argument based on Islam talks about the immorality of homosexuality. Indeed, Islam has no standing on this issue. I just bring up the problem of believing in a prophet that married a child, while condemning homosexuality.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #72 - August 01, 2015, 05:52 PM

    Yes, that is one of those things you say that causes people to start making excuses (none of which hold water), or clam up in embarrassment.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #73 - August 02, 2015, 11:03 PM

    More on the ‘We Are Not Nice’ assertion whilst the going is good.

    One of the things I do once every two months to cure me from nihilism in particular is to see a quack. Being of a playful temperament, I recently gave the psychiatrist a neatly wrapped book gift (called Cracked: Why Psychiatry is Doing More Harm than Good). Clive understands and is mindful of my capacity to be tinkering weird, to take things apart, to explore (and indeed not really minding to return to simpler, spontaneous forms of ‘realty’ — not excluding some nostalgia de la boue). But what’s started as a harmless fun, as it usually is with me, led to an interesting session on pathologising human wickedness.

    I know, as a dropout from a law degree, that punishment theories in the West have steadily moved away from retribution to reformation, deterrence and protection. Thus, convicted criminals aren’t punished for the sake of it, which in actuality is to hold them wholly responsible for what they did in the approximately objective way. (A crime in Victorian times was a character flaw, with the implication that all criminals are recidivists. So, if you think about British criminals being deported to, say, Australia with this mind-set, it wouldn’t strike you as completely absurd). Rather, the theoretical underpinning of such a censure policy shift it would seem to me — the newcomer, the African outsider — to be an excessive reliance on as well as acceptance of behaviourism. Steven Pinkers’ The Blank Slate has done a lot of good to redress this optimistic, Yes-We-Can imbalance (I’d bought The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined but don’t know where it has gone now). Could behaviourism have contributed more to the abolition of the death penalty in western Europe than, say, our increased awareness of our ignorance and the fallibility of our justice systems? I don't know.  

    But time and again, I read reports, articles, interviews and expert opinions in the aftermath of mass shorting or particularly heinous crimes. Insert Anders Breivik here. Very quickly you find otherwise rational people externalising evil; criminals being given a liberal chance — if the media were to be believed — to plead criminal insanity. Insert Jeosph Fritzl here. It seems that society goes into denial mode when a member of it visits atrocities on it, society seeks to cite and adduce loads of personal circumstances (including their childhood, age bracket, level of education or lack thereof, poverty, learning disabilities, rough neighbourhood etc) so as not precisely exculpate but to attribute some of their evil act to other than them, to often situational factors. Thus, the ethical “chain of causation” gets smashed into smithereens; the victor gets a cut in victimhood during sentencing; and, faith in humanity's niceness gets restored. Everybody's a winner.

    When I was a Muslim I was a special kind of fool, in that if a non-Muslim made me a cup of tea, before I sipped Earl Grey, I’d ask them to share their thoughts on how the universe began. This was not only stretching the concept of halal too far, but also to infer what type of a person he or she was beyond the mere nice act in order for me to contextualise their kindness, to rule out their trying to rob me of my precious Islam by means of this thoroughly delicious tea.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #74 - August 02, 2015, 11:46 PM

    I am just an ordinary fool. I believe people are basically good and lean towards what is just and right. I would rather die for my principals than betray them and live. Life has little meaning as it is. If it is just about self preservation then it has none at all.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #75 - August 02, 2015, 11:48 PM

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #76 - August 03, 2015, 03:35 AM

    I am just an ordinary fool. I believe people are basically good and lean towards what is just and right. I would rather die for my principals than betray them and live. Life has little meaning as it is. If it is just about self preservation then it has none at all.


    What if people are basically just whatever, and life really is mostly about self preservation, BUT there is a little bit of good in people and your idea of a lean towards justice and rightness is correct, but not quite as much as we might've hoped. Would there be any meaning then?

    Might there not be more meaning in preserving such little glimmers of hope?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #77 - August 03, 2015, 11:58 AM

    Quote
    I am just an ordinary fool. I believe people are basically good and lean towards what is just and right. I would rather die for my principals than betray them and live. Life has little meaning as it is. If it is just about self preservation then it has none at all.

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."

    What if people are basically just whatever, and life really is mostly about self preservation, BUT there is a little bit of good in people and your idea of a lean towards justice and rightness is correct, but not quite as much as we might've hoped. Would there be any meaning then?

    Might there not be more meaning in preserving such little glimmers of hope?


     those are important words...  ordinary fool.,   my principals.,  my principles,  and self preservation....

    well I am an extraordinary fool., Not a fool but a rascal... I will neither die for my principals  nor die for my principles.   I will try my best to remove/ replace  the principals   by others or by myself., or I will kill principals.

     And as far as  my principles are concerned., No I will not die for them but  I will fight and  keep on  telling/arguing with  people that  "my principle/rules of life  are better to this life and the life that lives after me."...

    in either case dying is no use., neither it helps me nor my principles...

    So today's Arab News.com  pubishes an article that is sort of related to "AGNOSTIC ISLAM or GNOSTIC ISLAM"  let me put a bit of it,   after all it is from  King  Saud's Sand Land..
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      Can we use Islamic rules in better way? by Abdulateef Al-Mulhim  

    Just a few weeks ago, a group of young Saudis led by Ayman Al-Sharif initiated a web link that they called Makkah Almukarrama Live. The group broadcast live pictures and activities from the Grand Mosque and its surroundings.   The worshippers numbering more than two million and scattered all over the mosque and the courtyard line up around the Kaaba in less than a minute after the call for prayer. This discipline among such a huge number of worshippers is seen by people around the world.

    The videos and pictures also showed the surrounding area of the Grand Mosque, a scene that is only appreciated by the millions of Muslims who have been to Makkah. Non-Muslims are not allowed to go to the two holiest places for Muslims — the Grand Mosque in Makkah and the Prophet’s Mosque in Madinah. Many non-Muslims always ask why only Muslims are allowed to enter these two cities located in the western part of Saudi Arabia?
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    Many say they can get first-hand information about Islam in a better way if they are allowed to enter the surrounding area of the holy places.

    To be honest, I don’t know the exact answer. And for this reason we can only ask, can Muslims reform some of the rules of Islam?..

    A known fact is that Islam is the fastest growing religion with more than 1.5 billion Muslims around the world. But, why Muslims are not among today’s inventors and innovators? Why do they lack behind in science and technology? Why are they so divided? And most importantly, why Muslims still gloat over the past glory and never try to catch up with the modern-day developments?

    The world knows that early Muslims had contributed immensely to past civilizations. From coffee to surgery, Muslims were in the forefront. When we talk about bringing about reforms in some of the Islamic rules, it does not mean changing the teachings of Islam, rather it means utilizing the rules in a better way taking into account the present day needs.

    Islam encourages reading, education, transparency, respecting others and respecting women and even protecting our planet earth. Even during full-scale conflicts and wars, Islam prohibits attack on places of worship, hurting women, abusing children, hurting the elderly and even prohibits cutting of trees . In other words, a good Muslim is the one who does not hurt the other. That is why it is important for Muslims not only to talk about Islam, but to show others the good behavior of a true Muslim.  


    "... Good Muslims not only to talk about Islam, but to show others the good behavior of a true Muslim.... "

    Well I have not read any rules of Islam in that  whole article  but if that is only one rule of Islam then  I am all for Islam and  I am all for preaching that rule.,

    but the question is.,  Is true Muslim Not a True Human being?   Are there any extra hats that true Muslim need to wear over that  True Human being??  anyways still with all short comings we are making the progress in that sand land and in all so-called Muslim lands.,  read the rest at the link..

    I think good Muslim is the one who beats the shit out of rigid  Islam and rigid  Islamic rules. I wonder whether that fellow  Abdulateef Al-Mulhim   from Arabnews.com reads any books ??  This is good one to read..

    The Open Society And Its Enemies. Complete: Volumes I and II. Karl R. Popper. 1962. ... by clicking it you can download and read that book...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #78 - August 03, 2015, 06:22 PM

    What if people are basically just whatever, and life really is mostly about self preservation, BUT there is a little bit of good in people and your idea of a lean towards justice and rightness is correct, but not quite as much as we might've hoped. Would there be any meaning then?

    Might there not be more meaning in preserving such little glimmers of hope?


    If life is simply about self preservation, I refuse to play.

    Actually life is basically absurd and meaningless. But we can choose to give it meaning. The meaning I give it is to spread as much peace, love and good as I can. I believe most people want that too.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #79 - August 03, 2015, 08:03 PM

    If life is simply about self preservation, I refuse to play.
    ....................

    Hassan using that word so  often,  I am not sure in what sense Hassan is using that word  "self preservation"... but in real life it has no meaning.,    What does "self preservation" means??

    Self preservation of Life? Self preservation of body?  self preservation of your aims, goals and ideals?

    No one can self preserve the life....   the aging process will automatically take care of that ..

    With the help of other people living on earth  and if you leave some  billion pounds to that cryonics.org., one may Self preserve the body at liquid nitrogen or Liquid Hydrogen temperatures., but what is the point?

    As far as self preservation of your aims, goals and ideals are concerned., As far as you can do  you are doing a good job on that Hassan., So  why are you using those words   "I refuse to play If life is simply about self preservation"??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn5OACqtjjw

    other tubes from that  Cryonics Institute
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    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #80 - August 03, 2015, 10:10 PM

    Just posted this on my Facebook Timeline and thought I'd share it here as it falls under the heading; Agnostic Muslim ramblings.

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1679508308950658&id=100006745147497&notif_t=like

    I am a Muslim, but I am also Agnostic. It doesn't matter if you don't believe in God nor what religion you follow, if any. If there is a God he clearly intended the matter to be open to question & reasonable doubt. What matters is what you do, how you live your life & the choices you make. I don't know if there is a reckoning or judgment to come, but if there is, then it is the good you have done, the love you have shown, your character and deeds that will surely be the only aspects of interest to a wise & merciful God - and not whether you believed or didn't believe in him.

    A simple and obvious thing, I know, but said in the context of an (Agnostic) Muslim, I think it's useful and needs to be made plain.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #81 - August 03, 2015, 10:40 PM

    يقول اللّٰه تعالى  :أنا عند ظن عبدي بي

    Allah the exalted has said, "I am as my servant expects me to be."

    I'd hate to be one of those people who expect him to be a sadistic psychopath.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #82 - August 03, 2015, 10:52 PM

    يقول اللّٰه تعالى  :أنا عند ظن عبدي بي

    Allah the exalted has said, "I am as my servant expects me to be."

    I'd hate to be one of those people who expect him to be a sadistic psychopath.


    lol... indeed.

    btw I love that hadith. For me it's basically saying the images of God you have are ALL man-made grin12
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #83 - August 03, 2015, 11:09 PM

    Yes. And wouldn't they have to be man-made? It's ironic how the same people who insist that their god is beyond human comprehension also claim to grasp him (her, it) within such a limited human context.

    Perhaps the case could be made that agnostic Muslims are the ones who actually do not commit shirk, since they are the ones who don't associate their limited and flawed human understandings with god.  grin12
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #84 - August 03, 2015, 11:20 PM

    Indeed.

    I've had quite a few Muslims now say to me that they are also Agnostic and that it is an honest position.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #85 - August 05, 2015, 10:21 PM

    More of my rambling from Facebook:

    I used to be scared of doubt and suppress my questions. But the truth is you can't hide from your thoughts. Eventually you have to face them and examine them. If the beliefs you so ardently protect are true then you have nothing to fear. If they are not then you have everything to gain.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #86 - August 06, 2015, 12:10 AM

    They aren't your "thoughts," hassan. What you think is taking place in your brain is really a little tiny shaitan whispering in your left ear. Spit over your shoulder three times and repeat authu billah. yes
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #87 - August 06, 2015, 12:47 AM

    That is what I have to stop doing. It was just so handy.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #88 - August 06, 2015, 01:09 AM

    They aren't your "thoughts," hassan. What you think is taking place in your brain is really a little tiny shaitan whispering in your left ear. Spit over your shoulder three times and repeat authu billah. yes

    .

    Lol... Wink
  • Agnostic Muslim Rambling
     Reply #89 - August 06, 2015, 01:11 AM

    That is what I have to stop doing. It was just so handy.


    Aww three... Old habits die hard
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