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  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #90 - August 17, 2015, 11:07 PM
    Haha... I love that song  Afro
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #91 - August 17, 2015, 11:23 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 17, 2015, 10:19 PM
    Absolutely right! And it's not like you have a deadline to make a decision by.


    You never know when the angel of death will come for you.  sheikh

    In all seriousness, this may sound a little strange to some but I sometimes feel a little anxious when I start thinking about religion and life too deeply. I feel like I need to have all the answers in case I am wrong and it makes me uncomfortable seeing others, who seem very intelligent and sincere, with such conviction who I disagree with. If they can be so convinced yet be so wrong, why can't I be also?

    It makes me think back to my younger days when I had my own personal simplistic view of religion and life, before I really started to contemplate. I look at my friends and colleagues who seem to go about their life never thinking about these deep issues when surely it should influence everything that we do. I feel like I opened Pandora's box, so to speak, when I started to think too deeply and there's no going back.

    Maybe I am just taking life too seriously.
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #92 - August 17, 2015, 11:26 PM
    Yeah..  i'd have to agree with the above, although im significantly older than laicio lol. As i have gotten older i have mellowed out,  either i have become lazy and burnt out lol or i have discovered that i have less of an opinion on anything than i did when i was younger.. Definately the more you learn or experience in life the less it makes any sense lol ..  perhaps it's part of the dying off process, brain cells are slowly diminishing lol  : (
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #93 - August 17, 2015, 11:30 PM
    I feel exactly the same way, Laico.

    One of the things that really got me thinking was that I knew some very intelligent and otherwise nice Muslims who would ardently defend some terrible inhumane acts of violence - in the name of Islam.

    I knew they were wrong, but it made me realise the same thing you just said. That if intelligent and otherwise decent people can be so utterly convinced about something and yet be completely wrong. Maybe I could too!?

    It was one of the first moments when all that I was so sure of started to fall apart.
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #94 - August 17, 2015, 11:31 PM
    Quote from: suki on August 17, 2015, 11:26 PM
    Yeah..  i'd have to agree with the above, although im significantly older than laicio lol. As i have gotten older i have mellowed out,  either i have become lazy and burnt out lol or i have discovered that i have less of an opinion on anything than i did when i was younger.. Definately the more you learn or experience in life the less it makes any sense lol ..  perhaps it's part of the dying off process, brain cells are slowly diminishing lol  : (


    This^ lol
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #95 - August 17, 2015, 11:45 PM
    I feel Ive started to become tired even before experiencing anything lol

    Honestly, now everyday seems  like an emotional struggle on what to do or what to think or what to become.

    I want to go back to the rat race. There's less thinking.

  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #96 - August 17, 2015, 11:52 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 17, 2015, 11:30 PM
    I feel exactly the same way, Laico.

    One of the things that really got me thinking was that I knew some very intelligent and otherwise nice Muslims who would ardently defend attacks like 911, 7/7 Madrid & Bali.

    I knew they were wrong, but it made me realise the same thing you just said. That if intelligent and otherwise decent people can be so utterly convinced about something and yet be completely wrong. Maybe I could too!?

    It was one of the first moments when all that I was so sure of started to fall apart.


    It sucks Hass.

    In some ways i would rather be a cocky, zealous young man who thinks he knows everything, at least i would probably feel better.

    The most important think for me right now is what you have mentioned already, being honest with myself about how i feel and taking it easy, no need to end up with cognitive dissonance or suffering from stress and anxiety over this.
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #97 - August 17, 2015, 11:53 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion on August 17, 2015, 11:45 PM
    I feel Ive started to become tired even before experiencing anything lol

    Honestly, now everyday seems  like an emotional struggle on what to do or what to think or what to become.

    I want to go back to the rat race. There's less thinking.




    It seems those who think the most suffer the most doubts.
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #98 - August 17, 2015, 11:56 PM
     Cry it sucks indeed
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #99 - August 17, 2015, 11:59 PM
    Quote from: laico on August 17, 2015, 11:52 PM
    It sucks Hass.

    In some ways i would rather be a cocky, zealous young man who thinks he knows everything, at least i would probably feel better.

    The most important think for me right now is what you have mentioned already, being honest with myself about how i feel and taking it easy, no need to end up with cognitive dissonance or suffering from stress and anxiety over this.


    Yes I know what you mean - blissful ignorance.

    But yes be honest with yourself and trust yourself and your conscience.
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #100 - August 18, 2015, 12:07 AM
    I'd rather a painful truth than a happy lie. Always been that way.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #101 - August 18, 2015, 12:13 AM
    'Better a bleak truth than a comforting lie' - I'd go by that in most things and I find it hard to imagine looking at the world differently, but I can also see that it's not for everyone.

    Edit: I see Quod got there first.
    Which side are you on?
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #102 - August 18, 2015, 12:14 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 18, 2015, 12:07 AM
    I'd rather a painful truth than a happy lie. Always been that way.


    I agree with you but I must admit, I do think back to the days when I was a kid and marvel at how satisfied I was in my naivety.
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #103 - August 18, 2015, 12:28 AM
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  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #104 - August 18, 2015, 08:08 AM
    Thanks for all the advice people Smiley

    I will take my time because I have found that this late obsession that I have with religion is burning me out. I am on holiday and supposed to be enjoying myself but over the past few days I have spend most of my time either over here asking questions or on Islamic forums asking questions and debating people. It's making me feel dizzy lol
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #105 - August 18, 2015, 08:16 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 17, 2015, 11:53 PM
    "It seems those who think the most suffer the most doubts."


    Hmm., that sounds like verse from Quran....

    Simple solution for that problem of "suffering"    "SO STOP THINKING HASSAN"  ....lol...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #106 - August 18, 2015, 08:21 AM
    ha!.... what? "Blatant misogyny in  Islam   "Isms"  is what is making me question it."  

    I don't know who opened this thread and I have not read much in it       but I am sure whatever is written in this folder seem to fit not only to Islam but to all other "Isms"..

    And..and  let cross a word that doesn't sound good and replace it with proper word.,
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #107 - August 18, 2015, 08:34 AM
    Quote from: Qtian on August 17, 2015, 03:40 PM
    Me too.

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Stop taking pictures when you visit my house!
  • Re: Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #108 - August 18, 2015, 08:41 AM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on August 18, 2015, 08:08 AM
    Thanks for all the advice people Smiley

    I will take my time because I have found that this late obsession that I have with religion is burning me out. I am on holiday and supposed to be enjoying myself but over the past few days I have spend most of my time either over here asking questions or on Islamic forums asking questions and debating people. It's making me feel dizzy lol



    You need to brain drain. Think about something else even if it just counting in your head.
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #109 - August 18, 2015, 08:57 AM
    Quote from: bogart on August 18, 2015, 08:41 AM
    You need to brain drain. ................

      No..noooo  Cheesy   let me rewrite that., where is that lua??  she doesn't like what I do., Cheesy

    So I say to all of you.,   We all need to "DRAIN THE BRAIN".   That is the wording bogart.   Specially draining  "the shit out of the brain" is very important to life..  The human life..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #110 - August 19, 2015, 12:14 AM
    Another thing that bothers me a lot are the Hoor Al3yn. So not only does this world revolve around men and their desires but so does Heaven? Women get one husband whereas their husband is off having fun with other women every night or so? But it's OK because our jealousy will be gone! I asked whether a woman could have multiple lovers and was told that she could not because such a thing is against a woman's nature. Really??? Even if that wasn't nonsense (which it is because every woman is different), why is another part of our nature (jealousy) removed to accommodate men?

    Then I got this rubbish answer: oh but believing women in this world will be satisfied because they will be the queens of Jannah and superior to the Hoor Al3yns. FFS that does not compensate at all!
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #111 - August 19, 2015, 12:27 AM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on August 19, 2015, 12:14 AM
    Another thing that bothers me a lot are the Hoor Al3yn. So this world revolves around men and their desires but so does Heaven? Women get one husband whereas their husband is off having fun with other women every night or so? But it's OK because our jealousy will be gone! I asked whether a woman could have multiple lovers and was told that she could not because such a thing is against a woman's nature. Really??? Even if that wasn't nonsense (which it is because every woman is different), why is another part of our nature (jealousy) removed to accommodate men?

    Then I got this rubbish answer: oh but believing women in this world will be satisfied because they will be the queens of Jannah and superior to the Hoor Al3yns. FFS that does not compensate at all!


    Matt Dillahunty made an excellent observation about this (I can't find the video right now). He said that no one will go to heaven, because to get to heaven, you will need to have basically a lobotomy, changing your character so much that you are no longer "you." Not just jealousy will be removed, but all human dignity: most people, including most religious people, would intervene if they saw someone being burned to death. But in heaven, apparently, knowing that most of the people who have ever lived are being burned alive forever does not bother people. Also, how many times have you momentarily wondered whether something God or another person did was right or wrong? That can apparently never happen in heaven, which since you've only been on earth for a few years but are in heaven for an infinite number of years, means that that part of your brain has been removed too, to make you blindly obedient forever. If you loved anyone and they didn't make it to heaven, and again, you aren't sad about that, that means both the love you had and the concern you had fro them and any sadness about them not being there have been lobotomized. In the end, so much stuff has to be removed from your brain for you to enter heaven that it becomes laughable to call the person who would be in heaven "you", if they share none of your feelings, emotions, or memories.
    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #112 - August 19, 2015, 12:29 AM
    Quote
    Matt Dillahunty made an excellent observation about this (I can't find the video right now). He said that no one will go to heaven, because to get to heaven, you will need to have basically a lobotomy, changing your character so much that you are no longer "you." Not just jealousy will be removed, but all human dignity: most people, including most religious people, would intervene if they saw someone being burned to death. But in heaven, apparently, knowing that most of the people who have ever lived are being burned alive forever does not bother people. Also, how many times have you momentarily wondered whether something God or another person did was right or wrong? That can apparently never happen in heaven, which since you've only been on earth for a few years but are in heaven for an infinite number of years, means that that part of your brain has been removed too, to make you blindly obedient forever. If you loved anyone and they didn't make it to heaven, and again, you aren't sad about that, that means both the love you had and the concern you had fro them and any sadness about them not being there have been lobotomized. In the end, so much stuff has to be removed from your brain for you to enter heaven that it becomes laughable to call the person who would be in heaven "you", if they share none of your feelings, emotions, or memories.


    Apparently the believers will be laughing at the disbelievers as they burn in Hell, watching them from their thrones -___-
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #113 - August 19, 2015, 12:42 AM
    A year or two back my step dad asked me about islam. He knows nothing about it. After I answered a few questions he had he dismissed the entire religion as being for perverts and went back to watching TV. Grin
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #114 - August 19, 2015, 12:53 AM
    I just saw this and cracked up. Unbelievable.

    Quote
    Title: If a husband divorces his wife and she does not know of the divorce, will the divorce be valid?
    Question
    I got a question about divorce.
    my husband is divorcing her new wife without her knowing, because the new wife is commiting a major sin. she plan to marry other man..

    my husband only informed me and he said in hanafi fiqh it is valid. can you please confirm if its valid? and is it irrevocable or not? i dont want him to do things that is not following our deen. Please enlighten

    this is what he wrote to me:

    "in hanafi fiqh.. i can divorce her. without telling her.. so i give her a divorce.. and you are the witness.. so in 4 month 10 days.. her iddah will end..   i won't tell her.. let her suffer.. atleast in Allah eyes.. my wife won't be doing zina.. its someone i give a divorce to"


    Answer
    In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
    As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh
     
    According to Shariah, if a husband divorces his wife and she does not know of the divorce, she will be divorced. However, divorce has implications such as Iddat, etc which the wife has to observe.[1] The husband should inform her of the divorce so that she can observe her Iddat. If the divorcee does not adhere to Sharaih, she will be sinful. That does not give reason not to inform her of being divorced.
     
    Furthermore, the Iddat of a divorcee is three menses if she experiences menses and she did not conceive. If she does not experience menses, her Iddat will be three months. The Iddat period is 4 months and 10 days for a widow who is not conceived.
     
    And Allah Ta’āla Knows Best
     
    Mufti  Ismail Desai,
    Darul Iftaa

    Checked and Approved,
    Mufti Ebrahim Desai.


    http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/33781
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #115 - August 19, 2015, 12:56 AM
    Quote
    A year or two back my step dad asked me about islam. He knows nothing about it. After I answered a few questions he had he dismissed the entire religion as being for perverts and went back to watching TV. Grin


    Right now it seems to be appealing to the perversions of men. I'm finding it hard to figure out what's in it for us.

    Your step dad is an non-Muslim? Does that apply to most of you family, if you don't mind me asking?
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #116 - August 19, 2015, 12:57 AM
    Quote
    My husband is divorcing her new wife


    Probably you are next

     whistling2
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #117 - August 19, 2015, 12:58 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 19, 2015, 12:53 AM
    I just saw this and cracked up. Unbelievable.

    http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/33781


    So she's sinful for something the husband did?Huh?
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #118 - August 19, 2015, 12:59 AM
    Quote from: gal_from_usa on August 19, 2015, 12:27 AM
    Matt Dillahunty made an excellent observation about this (I can't find the video right now). He said that no one will go to heaven, because to get to heaven, you will need to have basically a lobotomy, changing your character so much that you are no longer "you." Not just jealousy will be removed, but all human dignity: most people, including most religious people, would intervene if they saw someone being burned to death. But in heaven, apparently, knowing that most of the people who have ever lived are being burned alive forever does not bother people. Also, how many times have you momentarily wondered whether something God or another person did was right or wrong? That can apparently never happen in heaven, which since you've only been on earth for a few years but are in heaven for an infinite number of years, means that that part of your brain has been removed too, to make you blindly obedient forever. If you loved anyone and they didn't make it to heaven, and again, you aren't sad about that, that means both the love you had and the concern you had fro them and any sadness about them not being there have been lobotomized. In the end, so much stuff has to be removed from your brain for you to enter heaven that it becomes laughable to call the person who would be in heaven "you", if they share none of your feelings, emotions, or memories.


    I think you forget the mind set of many believers. If God commands something you can not question it. Dignity is already out the windows before these type of people even die. Look at divine command theory and just war theory. Both are Christian concepts which makes immoral acts completely moral in their eyes. People are not being tortured they are being punished. These people have lost empathy for all that are not fellow believers. 
  • Blatant misogyny in Islam is what is making me question it.
     Reply #119 - August 19, 2015, 01:00 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 16, 2015, 11:10 PM
    here it is...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxVHxhDpB4A



    hi bro! this is someone's comment in the video you posted 8 years ago from the link you posted above.

     OrangeFuzz123 6 months ago
    It's kind of disappointing to find out Hassan has 'rediscovered faith' after all these video's etc. There's nothing more of a turn off than a so called truth seeker flip-flopping back and forth - purely, it seems, on the off chance Hell really does exist. Slightly pathetic.

    did you find your faith again? i am confused lol
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