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Reply #360 - September 20, 2015, 03:48 PM

Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on September 20, 2015, 08:16 AM
The article is gone now but the name of it already looks revolting.

Didn't someone quote it?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #361 - September 20, 2015, 06:42 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on September 20, 2015, 03:48 PM
Didn't someone quote it?

QSE you are again Hijacking well

Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on September 20, 2015, 08:16 AM
The article is gone now but the name of it already looks revolting.

well forget that article and there is new tube on the subject of your interest AGirlWithDoubts..

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=29327.msg837400#msg837400

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Reply #362 - September 20, 2015, 06:58 PM

I'm not hijacking, the topic is misogyny in islam.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #363 - September 20, 2015, 07:04 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on September 20, 2015, 06:58 PM
I'm not hijacking, the topic is misogyny in islam.

...lol.. in that post although I am referring to your HIJACKING .. but actually I wanted to tell "AGirlWithDoubts" to watch that tube in that link dear QSE., It is about Islamophobia., Now I am gong to tell you to watch it.. it is a good one..

and and I want you to pick up mistakes in Maajid's words .. if there are any....

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Reply #364 - September 20, 2015, 07:51 PM

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #365 - September 20, 2015, 08:02 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on September 20, 2015, 07:51 PM
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Hijacker.............. Hijacker....................Hijacker

Read all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EqSuNewrQs

Hmm That is interesting., Now QSE I want you to watch from mts 3.56 to the end.... specially Maajid's answer ..

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Reply #366 - September 20, 2015, 10:18 PM

I've had a bit of a journey but will look at those links in the morning x
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Reply #367 - September 21, 2015, 01:53 PM

Maajid Nawaz and Sam Harris make some good points most of the times. On the other hand I cannot stand Bill Maher or any video with him in it

The other video is pretty long but I'll take a look in my own time
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Reply #368 - September 21, 2015, 01:54 PM

I read the quotes, sounds like a troll post/website. Somebody please tell me that it isn't real :(
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Reply #369 - September 21, 2015, 04:13 PM

At this point would it surprise you?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #370 - September 21, 2015, 07:33 PM

No, sadly it wouldn't.
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Reply #371 - September 22, 2015, 01:39 PM

Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on September 21, 2015, 01:53 PM
Maajid Nawaz and Sam Harris make some good points most of the times. On the other hand I cannot stand Bill Maher or any video with him in it

The other video is pretty long but I'll take a look in my own time

Hello Agirl.... A girl with so many doubts.. So what happened? what did that big nose small faced jew hating jew do to you? May be you watch him too much. How about this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3kWN561SJQ

well may be that GUY IS NOT A REAL JEW.. because he is NOT related to Queen Sheba and that Solomon..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAIcuDSOx0w

Hmm.... that is a good one to watch and try to understand the story of Solomon.. Hmm let me read the bible to children

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Reply #372 - September 22, 2015, 07:03 PM

I don't know...there's something about him! He can be very hypocritical at times and it rubs me the wrong way.

Know what I've been thinking? Maybe the thing that will cause reform in Islam is many more Muslim women apostatising due to the backwards rules and religious texts. Too many are just accepting their place as less than -_-
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Reply #373 - September 22, 2015, 10:10 PM

I dunno. In the western world at least you have all these rights and freedoms so what you actually choose to accept, or how you accept it, is something that can be tailor made.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #374 - September 22, 2015, 10:14 PM

You do have a point. But many Muslim women in the West also accept the religious texts and the sexist gender roles. Some will defend them while others will interpret them very liberally to suit their lifestyles. If they were to start rejecting them altogether, Muslim men might gradually begin to change their attitudes towards women.
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Reply #375 - October 06, 2015, 07:53 PM

Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily)." (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

This Hadith explains it all.
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Reply #376 - October 07, 2015, 12:51 AM

The pus one was worse.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #377 - October 07, 2015, 09:46 AM

I only heard about that one last month and it's disgusting.

Apparently whenever Mo wanted something there would be a new "revelation", giving him exactly what he wanted :/
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Reply #378 - October 07, 2015, 12:21 PM

Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on October 06, 2015, 07:53 PM
Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily)." (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

~~This Hadith explains it all.~~

A_gd throws out something from Islamic scriptures says "This Hadith explains it all." .. That is NOT hadith that is 33.51 Quran verse A_gd .,

That is one of those stupid revelations with ulterior motives of some Arab RASCAL., later fools called such rascals as "Muhammad" but That is NOT from original "Muhammad". Muhammad of present Islam is NOT a single person, there were many. And many cartoon characters stories were added by rascals in to original Islam as stories from the life of Muhammad .. BUT THEY WERE NOT...

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 07, 2015, 12:51 AM
~~The pus~~ one was worse.

What "pus" are you talking Quod? where from ? where did you get that? You guys can not Insult Islam without proper references from Hadith or Quran..

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Reply #379 - October 07, 2015, 01:46 PM

Some people may say this is derailing the topic, but I think homophobia (at least today) is entwined with misogyny, and can I just say I fucking love Maajid Nawaz. I really like how he challenged that girl who started speaking at 18:08 saying you can't be gay and muslim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DJI7D5hU-mU

More Maajid Nawaz not being a scary brown muslim murderer but showing muslims can be, and are, human beings who we can and should be held to the same standard as anyone else (okay, this may be derailing the thread).

Maajid Nawaz explaining that muslim doesn't equal terrorist - difference between islam and islamism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9EqSuNewrQs

Maajid Nawaz showing that a self identified muslim actually can speak with anti-islamists and ex-muslims as a rational human being and not just as a sword swinging beheader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YTd4-WXw2SM

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #380 - October 07, 2015, 05:08 PM

^^ will watch that later in the evening.

Quote from: yeezevee on October 07, 2015, 12:21 PM
A_gd throws out something from Islamic scriptures says "This Hadith explains it all." .. That is NOT hadith that is 33.51 Quran verse A_gd .,

That is one of those stupid revelations with ulterior motives of some Arab RASCAL., later fools called such rascals as "Muhammad" but That is NOT from original "Muhammad". Muhammad of present Islam is NOT a single person, there were many. And many cartoon characters stories were added by rascals in to original Islam as stories from the life of Muhammad .. BUT THEY WERE NOT...
What "pus" are you talking Quod? where from ? where did you get that? You guys can not Insult Islam without proper references from Hadith or Quran..

It's an Ayah within a Hadith
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Reply #381 - October 07, 2015, 10:29 PM

Dumbo yeezevee says this
Quote from: yeezevee on October 07, 2015, 12:21 PM
A_gd throws out something from Islamic scriptures says "This Hadith explains it all." .. That is NOT hadith that is 33.51 Quran verse A_gd .,

and A_Gd puts her tongue out...
Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on October 07, 2015, 05:08 PM
It's an Ayah within a Hadith

and she is right..

Now., A-Gd., You & me together let us do a Quran/Hadith project..

what I want is., to find out verses that are with in Haidth but with one condition and that is...I want to find out ayahs within a Hadith from so-called Meccan surahs..

... ..So Help me god.. help me A_gd...

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Reply #382 - October 12, 2015, 07:45 PM

Sounds like a plan

Met up with an old friend yesterday. She told me that "no one leaves Islam", something I used to believe. She hasn't considered stigma behind apostasy.
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Reply #383 - October 13, 2015, 08:20 AM

When Mo died there were so many people leaving it started a small war.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #384 - October 14, 2015, 12:26 AM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 13, 2015, 08:20 AM
When Mo died there were so many people leaving it started a small war.

proof...proof Quod... put some hadith around it.

From Muhammad to ISIS: Iraq’s Full Story by Tim Urban

anyways...... here is some history after th alleged prophet of Islam died...

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632: Death of the Holy Prophet. Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph. Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.
633: Campaigns in Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah Yemen, and Hadramaut. Raids in Iraq. Battles of Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at tamr, Daumatul Jandal and Firaz.
634: Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.
635: Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.
636: Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.
637: Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.
638: Conquest of Jazirah.
639: Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.
640: Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.
641: Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.
642: Battle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.
643: Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).
644: Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan. Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar. Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.
645: Campaigns in Fats.
646: Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.
647: Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.
648: Campaigns against the Byzantines.
651: Naval battle of the Masts against the Byzantines.
652: Discontentment and disaffection against the rule of Hadrat Othman.
656: Martyrdom of Hadrat Othman. Hadrat Ali becomes the Caliph. Battle of the Camel.
657: Hadrat Ali shifts the capital from Madina to Kufa. Battle of Siffin. Arbitration proceedings at Daumaut ul Jandal.
658: Battle of Nahrawan.
659: Conquest of Egypt by Mu'awiyah.
660: Hadrat Ali recaptures Hijaz and Yemen from Mu'awiyah. Mu'awiyah declares himself as the Caliph at Damascus.
661: Martyrdom of Hadrat Ali. Accession of Hadrat Hasan and his abdication. Mu'awiyah becomes the sole Caliph.

So in that approximately 30 years history of early Islam after the death of prophet during the regimes rightly guided Caliphs ..Two father in-laws and two son in-laws of Muhammad..... there were hardly any internal wars with-in Islam . .Many wars were against other tribes of arabian peninsula...

Boy early Islam was all family business of Prophet....

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Reply #385 - October 14, 2015, 03:27 AM

All you need to look up is the Ridda wars, also known as the Wars of Apostasy.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #386 - October 14, 2015, 08:28 AM

Interesting....I was never told about that.
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Reply #387 - October 14, 2015, 11:06 AM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 14, 2015, 03:27 AM
All you need to look up is the Ridda wars, ~~also known as the Wars of Apostasy.~~

there is big confusion on those ridda wars QSD... Are they wars on so-called Shia folks that followed Imam Ali when he was alive? get me more details if you have any....

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Reply #388 - October 14, 2015, 12:30 PM

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But when the prophet
Muhammad died quite suddenly in 632, it appeared that his religion might
altogether disappear. Many of the bedouin tribes that had converted to Islam
renounced the new faith in the months after Muhammad's death, and his
remaining followers quarreled over who should succeed him. Though these
quarrels were never fully resolved, the community managed to find new leaders
who directed a series of campaigns to force those who had abandoned Islam to
return to the fold.

http://history-world.org/islam11.htm

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Seeds of Heresy

Not everyone was in complete agreement with Muhammad and the Quran, a.k.a. Islam’s most holy book. Several leaders who had previously converted to Islam soon began committing acts of apostasy such as claiming to be prophets in their own right (Muhammad, according to more than 99% of Islam’s 1.7 billion followers, is the seal of prophets, meaning no other prophets are to come after him). An example of the many false prophets that claimed to come after Muhammad include leaders like Musaylimah, leader of the Banu Hanifa. Even while Muhammad was alive, Musaylimah he was a supposed magician, and claimed to be divine. These leaders would play vital roles in the upcoming wars of apostasy.

https://43beliefs.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/the-wars-of-apostasy-first-muslim-civil-war/

http://www.therevival.co.uk/forum/general/9705

http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/med/donner.html

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Abu_Bakr

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Having converted to Islam during the lifetime of Muḥammad, the Mahra (along with a number of other Arabian tribes) rebelled against the first Caliph, Abū Bakr (d. 634 CE). Under the command of ʿIkrimah, a Muslim army was sent to subdue the rebellious Mahri tribes. On his arrival to al-Mahra, ʿIkrimah discovered that al-Mahra was divided into the less numerous followers of “Shakhrīt of the Banī Shakhrah” who lived in the lowlands of al-Mahra and the more numerous Banī Muḥārib in the mountains, whose leader was al-Muṣabbiḥ. Exploiting this division, ʿIkrimah entreated the Banī Shakhrah to re-embrace Islam and when they did so, the combined army of ʿIkrimah and “Shakhrīt” defeated the Banī Muḥārib (al-Ṭabarī, vol. 3, 263). The medieval historian Ibn al-Mujāwir (d. 1204 CE) adds a grim coda to this first chapter in the history of the Mahra:

http://sites.middlebury.edu/mahripoetry/history-of-the-mahra/history/pre-islamic-period-and-the-ridda-wars-632-633-ce/

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Revision:Abu_Bakr_and_Ridda_wars

http://attwiw.com/2013/05/31/islamic-history-part-8-the-caliphate-of-abu-bakr-632-634/

http://looklex.com/e.o/ridda_ar.htm

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Joukowsky_Institute/courses/islamiccivilizations/8026.html

And lastly a short CEMB thread that might deserve a bump.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=6703.0

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #389 - October 14, 2015, 12:31 PM

Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on October 14, 2015, 08:28 AM
Interesting....I was never told about that.

Really? I'm surprised. Yeah, Mo died and so many people left the religion the first caliph had to start a war to keep power.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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