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  • Worood introduction
     OP - September 25, 2015, 09:28 PM

    I'm Worood from Iraq from radical Shia Muslims city called " Karbala" you can google it if you want to see the holly bulshit there, I  left religion Islam from 2009 but I obligated to cover my hair with " hijab" and my whole body with "abaya " and do some ritual stupid things to hide my atheism , I suffered a lot from sharia law becuse some from my family denied me , my brother he's younger than me he beat me always I have now damage in my spinal cord from violence , my family control my whole life until I decide to get out from Iraq I'm now in turkey but still in danger Muslims every where they interfere your personal life asking you stupid question, I'm sick from them where should I go ? I don't know .

    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #1 - September 25, 2015, 11:00 PM

    Turkey aint bad but defintely not the best.

    You gotta escape to western/scandanavian europe or america!

    No decent life for any human being in the middle east or muslim world.

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #2 - September 25, 2015, 11:18 PM

    I wish I could

    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #3 - September 26, 2015, 12:23 AM

    What r ur options ?

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #4 - September 26, 2015, 01:19 AM

    I wish I could

    Why can't you?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #5 - September 26, 2015, 07:41 AM

    I'm trying to get out from Middle East but until now nothing happened

    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #6 - September 26, 2015, 09:28 AM

    Welcme  parrot  Sry to hear of what you have been through.

    Look how an Iranian couple (apostates from Islam, like you) got in to Canada. Check up staring with minute 24.00. Is the best I can help you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWAIKoatWM
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #7 - September 26, 2015, 11:19 AM

    I'm trying to get out from Middle East but until now nothing happened


    I'd never stay in this part of the world if i were a lady. It's a misogynistic planet, and the M.E. is its worst part.

    I advise you to stick here, & surf twitter, apostates there filled it with information regarding immigration and asylums, try the arabic tweets better.

    Good luck!

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #8 - September 28, 2015, 08:50 PM

    Welcome to the forum Worood.

    I think at the moment it's quite difficult to go a Western country.

    They are also atheist clubs in Turkey. Maybe one of them is close to your place.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #9 - September 28, 2015, 08:55 PM

    Where EIToro ?

    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #10 - September 29, 2015, 03:44 AM

    Sorry to hear about the violence from your family Worood..   far away hug   not sure how you can get out of there..  can you afford to study in Europe ?
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #11 - September 29, 2015, 12:57 PM

    I already biologist I was working in a hospital but now I have a problem in my spinal cord I'm in wheelchair now

    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #12 - September 29, 2015, 02:41 PM

    Will you be able to walk again? :(
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #13 - September 29, 2015, 02:46 PM

    I already biologist I was working in a hospital but now I have a problem in my spinal cord I'm in wheelchair now



    far away hug   surely you are a perfect candidate for asylum with the violence you have endured..
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #14 - September 29, 2015, 02:51 PM

    I don't know really doctor told me I must to do surgery first

    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #15 - September 29, 2015, 02:53 PM


    far away hug   surely you are a perfect candidate for asylum with the violence you have endured..

     

    I see they helping Muslims refugee they don't really care about atheist here

    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #16 - October 01, 2015, 06:16 PM

    Welcome Worood,

    parrot

    Oh, that sounds terrible :(

    Is your condition stable or is it deteriorating?

    Do you live on your own or do you have some support there in Turkey?

    Do you know Turkish? Here is the website of the Turkish Atheists:
    http://www.ateizm.org

    And here of Ateizm Dernegi:
    http://ateizmdernegi.org.tr

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #17 - October 02, 2015, 07:55 AM

    So I've been trying to formulate how I want to say this for the past few days, and I don't think I'm going to be able to say it in a way that gets my tone across no matter how I word it, so might as well just throw in my two cents and however it comes across is how it comes across, but I'm really not angry and I'm trying to be compassionate.

    I'm sorry you've been through difficult shit with your family. I really am.

    I don't think it's necessary or good to forgive, love, or respect your family. Forgiveness doesn't fix problems, and it doesn't bring peace or happiness to the victim, in my experience, and love and respect are not one-way streets. When you've got someone who demands love and respect without offering anything in return or while offering punishments if their conditions are not met, what they are getting is not love or respect, it's fear.

    And I also understand why you are angry and why you have so much pent up hate. I had a lot of that too when my parents first threw me out on the street when I was 17. I'm not going to go into everything they did to me here because that's not the point, plus I've already posted enough times about it. I'm just going to throw out there that some of what they did was try to force me into marriage starting when I was 3-4 years old, regularly beat and starve me, isolated me and my brother from society to the extent that my brother couldn't talk properly even in his teens, and threw me out of a moving car breaking both my feet, and then denied me access to any doctors, which is why I still cannot walk more than 1.5 km in a week or I will be in excruciating pain.

    The point is....what your family did to you is bad. But it is not a valid reason to hate entire ethnic groups, condemning all members of those groups as non-human or terrorists, lying about them and their actions to make them out to be criminals, lying about what they have in terms of weapons (everyone knows ISIS does not have nuclear weapons; why would you say that they're going to use nuclear weapons, as if that's a real threat that is going to happen, when they don't even have any?), etc. It's normal, maybe even healthy, for you to hate your family for what they did. But it's not normal to hate millions of people for what your family did.

    The people who are trying to get away from ISIS are doing just that: trying to get away. It is sick of you to claim that they are just like ISIS and will try to make Europe like ISIS. If they wanted to live under ISIS, they would have stayed there. It is especially disgusting for you to say that when so many of them are literally dying trying to make the trip.

    I understand where the hate is coming from. But you have to understand that it is misplaced. You have to redirect your hatred towards the people who deserve it. Not to innocent people who are just trying to live to see their children grow up.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #18 - October 02, 2015, 10:22 AM

    Hmm, you can accuse Worood of bigotry, but as far I remember I didn't see racist remarks from her. Also she never said ISIS has nuclear weapons.

    She looks very angry at the moment, but I do think this place makes one better. She maybe just needs more time to settle here, just sayin... To be honest I was very touched by her story, as well as by yours.

    @Gal you look angry even if you are not   Smiley .
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #19 - October 02, 2015, 11:36 AM

    Dear Worood, i personally understand your situation "i reckon", don't think about redirecting the hate or whatever, just focus on how to escape,

    Not only did muslims backstab me, but also middle eastern former muslims; reported sensitive info about me, n maybe one day saudis will persecute and prosecute me!


    Fuck'em all.

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #20 - October 02, 2015, 11:59 AM

    I only have two tones of voice, nbhb: "I'm a helpless child please protect me" and "YOU ARE WRONG AND I AM DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS, HERE TO AVENGE THE INNOCENT AND/OR DESTROY EVERYTHING".

    So basically one of the two characters in this comic:



    As a result, I almost always sound really angry when I'm just trying to make a point. Sucks.

    As for the posts she has made that I am basically responding to here, let me go grab them for you.

    From her thread that she named "female treating so bad in Islamic country"
    If you born as a female in Islamic country it's just like a curse happened on the family Muslim, especially "radical Muslim" they thought that female in some day she will grow up and she bring a shame on her family by losing her virginty without marriage so from the begging they treating her in so stiff , obligated her to obey the orders without objection , make her cover her face, hair and whole body , she can't go anywhere without a permission from any male responsible of her family even if that male he's younger from her just because he's the man , they treating a female as a child underage no matter how old is she or which stage she reach in stadying even if she a doctor or scientist , they thought woman in a half mind and a man in a complete mind .

    --My problem with this one: Generalizing all Muslims in all countries where they are the majority population as if, like, Saudi Arabia was exactly the same as like, Tunisia or Malaysia. She provided no evidence to substantiate her claims.

    From her thread she started that she named "Islam Eid":
    Today millions of poor animals will have throats slashed to quench moon god Allah's lust for blood !


    --My problem with this one: no evidence that it's a moon god, that pretty much seems to be something that was made up by Christians sometime pretty recently to justify their claims that Muslims are barbarians, even an ex-Muslim should have a basic knowledge of why it isn't true that the Muslim version of Allah is a moon god, and when asked about that point, she provided no evidence to substantiate her claim.

    From her thread that she named "Muslim Refugee just like timing bomb":
    Warning for Europe and other countries that accepted Muslims refugees , you must to know a lot from ISIS members they enter Europe with refugees and they threaten to invade Europe then they will make terriers action there to revenge from Europe and spread sharia law by increased numbers of Muslims as you know Muslim man he can breed so fast by married to 4 or more from females as you know Mohammed told them " breed , increase I will be proud for you between the nation " and that's really make a problem they will increase Muslims people  to dominate the world or to control world by majority that effect on the opinion of the world .


    --My problem with this one: She's saying all Muslims are terrorists, ticking time bombs whose sole purpose is to either breed or plan world domination. When asked by Yeez why she didn't focus on trying to make them ex-muslims, she said:

    I'm not fine , and no I can't make them ex they destroy my life so I must to expose the truth about them


    implying that they were not capable of change, that the "truth" is that they are inherently evil, and nothing you can do will change that. When further pressed about her statements and the implication that all Muslims are inherently evil, she said:

    Muslim man he's the most problem  becuse he control everything and woman in Islam it's just like animal that male of her family own her just like property , they treating any woman just like underage she can't mange her life without permission from her family I mean any male can control her life from the younger male to the old one


    When asked (condensed) "even if all the refugees were evil, are they capable of change? can they become productive members of society?", she did not answer or provide any evidence to substantiate her claims.

    From her thread that she named "Dubai prevent alcohol"
    That's mean Dubai want to apply sharia law just like other Islamic countries, congratulation for Muslim people  piggy


    She was asked by Naerys to provide evidence to support her claims (can you guess where I'm going with this?--if you guessed "she did not provide any evidence", you're correct! +5 points).

    From her thread that she named "Sweden: 77.6% of all rapes are committed by Muslim males"

    Sweden: 77.6% of all rapes are committed by Muslim males, who total only 2% of population , congratulation Sweden to accept more from Muslims refugee to increase rapists there !


    When asked to provide evidence to substantiate her claims, she provided a link to a wordpress blog, not a news site or a government agency or any other kind of website where you'd expect facts to be checked rigorously. When pressed on this point and on the demonization of others that she seems to be so eager to do, she accused Ergo of being a closet Muslim.

    i know you and all Muslims just like you, your words just like a poison even you pretend as a nice man you still act just like a jerk  piggy


    From yet another thread:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/28/l-todd-wood-isis-planning-nuclear-tsunami/

    ISIS planning "nuclear tsunami." Killing hundreds of millions. ASAP. Need a UN speech!


    --Like I said in my last comment, that's bullshit.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #21 - October 02, 2015, 02:05 PM

    Quote from: gal_from_usa
    Quote from: Worood
    Warning for Europe and other countries that accepted Muslims refugees , you must to know a lot from ISIS members they enter Europe with refugees and they threaten to invade Europe then they will make terriers action there to revenge from Europe and spread sharia law by increased numbers of Muslims as you know Muslim man he can breed so fast by married to 4 or more from females as you know Mohammed told them " breed , increase I will be proud for you between the nation " and that's really make a problem they will increase Muslims people  to dominate the world or to control world by majority that effect on the opinion of the world .

    --My problem with this one: She's saying all Muslims are terrorists, ticking time bombs whose sole purpose is to either breed or plan world domination. When asked by Yeez why she didn't focus on trying to make them ex-muslims, she said:


    I think she actually says that ISIS are terrorists, not all muslims.
    Ticking time bombs muslims? No, but Islam is.

    Look, she has clearly crossed some boundaries(related to bigotry), no doubt about this, my opinion is just get her a little bit of time here.  And considering what she's been through...  Cry
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #22 - October 02, 2015, 02:18 PM

    Islam, defintely is a message of terror!

    and yes, we gotta be careful when dealing with its followers.

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #23 - October 02, 2015, 09:14 PM

    I think she actually says that ISIS are terrorists, not all muslims.
    Ticking time bombs muslims? No, but Islam is.

    Look, she has clearly crossed some boundaries(related to bigotry), no doubt about this, my opinion is just get her a little bit of time here.  And considering what she's been through...  Cry


    She called the thread in which she said that refugees are actually secretly ISIS members "Muslim Refugee just like timing bomb".

    Also, I'm not a mod, it's not like I'm going to ban her. Tongue I've got literally no control over how much time she'll be allowed to spend her. Oh, and I posted the threads she made in my last comment in chronological order, I forgot to point that out because it was 5 am and I suddenly lost the ability to use words. I did that on purpose so that it would be a bit more clear that she hasn't really changed during her time here thus far.

    Islam, defintely is a message of terror!

    and yes, we gotta be careful when dealing with its followers.


    A case can be made for that. But Christianity and Judaism have texts that are at least equally evil, and in some cases more evil, and people who make the case that Islam = terrorism usually do it because they are motivated by racism or ethnocentrism and they seldom point out that Christianity and Judaism have the exact same types of passages (and like I said, in some cases, worse passages).

    Let me give some examples.

    Judaism:
    • Things that are punishable by death include: homosexuality (same as Islam), gathering sticks on the sabbath or any other type of work (not present in Islam), pissing off your parents (not present in Islamic texts, at least on paper), failing to bleed when you have sex with your husband the first time,
    • Things that are commanded in the Bible include: Genocide of 7 or 8 different Canaanite tribes (not present in Islam). For some, everyone had to be killed, young and old, male and female, including infants and babies (killing non-combatants is forbidden in Islam)--in others, "only" all the men and non-virgin women had to be killed, all the virgin girls were to be kept as slaves (and all female slaves are sex slaves by default in the Bible, if you read the laws concerning them).
    • Things that are sanctioned but not commanded by the Bible include: Slave trade (kidnapping people from other nations and forcing them into slavery--not mentioned in Islamic texts: neither allowed nor prohibited), usury but only to non-Jews (forbidden in Islam--not allowed to lend money on interest to anyone).

    Christianity:
    • All of the above is in their Bible, and it is considered heretical to say that they are not the actions of the same god--see: Matthew 5:18, the history of a dude called Marcion.
    • Things the canonical Christian books specifically prohibit: slaves disobeying or running away from their masters even if those masters are tyrannical or violent towards them (Islam does not prohibit slavery but does have prohibitions on how slaves can be treated); leaving a marriage and if you do leave a marriage, the wife remarrying--not the husband, just the wife; this is adultery according to Jesus (divorce and remarriage are allowed in Islam and Mohammad himself married some divorced women), women speaking in churches or having any position of authority over a man (no better in Islam, but not worse).

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #24 - October 02, 2015, 10:25 PM

    I was put through hell by some Saudis as a child and by some Catholics while I was in secondary school. Yet for some reason it's very easy not to generalise these groups and spout hatred towards anyone belonging to them. Being mistreated is no excuse for being a bigot. When someone believes that their past justifies their being hateful and bitter it shows that they must be very weak.

    I hope that Worood does stay and that she finds a way to overcome her problems but I also hope that she is able to let go of her hatred in the process.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #25 - October 02, 2015, 11:51 PM

    Gal,

    Im sick n tired of discussing how evil all three religions are, n how only muslims now can use the satanic verses of muhammed to terrorize ppl,


    Most muslims still dream of a world run by them, while non believers pay jizya, lsn to any jumaa prayer in any major islamic state, it's even worse than that, worse than a weekly cry out to pray n kill in order to rule and spread islam all over.


    whenever we -former muslims- criticize islam on this forum, we by all means do not have to every single time mention xtianity or judaism,

    Islam is our real problem! n some ex muslims are still suffering.






    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #26 - October 03, 2015, 12:43 AM

    Gal,

    Im sick n tired of discussing how evil all three religions are, n how only muslims now can use the satanic verses of muhammed to terrorize ppl,


    It's not that "only Muslims are using their scriptures to justify murder and crap." It's that "only Muslims are being condemned in the media for using their scriptures to justify murder and crap." Murder by Christians in support of their faith still happens. Murder by Jews in support of their faith still happens. But no one talks about it as "religious terrorism".

    Most muslims still dream of a world run by them, while non believers pay jizya, lsn to any jumaa prayer in any major islamic state, it's even worse than that, worse than a weekly cry out to pray n kill in order to rule and spread islam all over.



    I'm in America. I was born here, I was raised here, this is the only place I've ever lived. And so I have to ask: how is what you are describing in any way different from this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIOD5X68lIs
    (Former Vice Presidential candidate and governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, being prayed for by pastors who ask God to help her with bringing Christian justice aka theocracy.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWOCpiqMyqY
    (Michele Bachmann, former congresswoman and presidential candidate, talking about how Jesus is going to end the world soon--and needs her help to do so.)

    Or Ted Cruz or Rick Perry making similar kinds of statements. Or George W. Bush who actually became president and believed that the war in Iraq was a holy war and his religious obligation (meant to convince the infidels of Christianity...how is that in any way different from the modern Islamist concept of jihad?).

    How is Islamic extremists threats and attacks on other people for opposing their political-religious agenda in any way different from Kach/Kahane Chai (and their followers) doing assassinations, mass shootings, or bombings for the exact same reason? (Eg. Baruch Goldstein's massacre of 29 non-violent worshipers, Yigal Amir's assassination of liberal prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, their attempts to bomb a Palestinian school for girls, placing bombs in airports, etc.) How is Muslims in wealthier countries giving money to people that ends up being used for weapons/training of Islamic extremists in any way different from the fundraising tactics of Kach? How is glorification of murderers done by some Muslims who are not themselves involved in terrorist activities in any way different from the glorification and protection of American soldiers by the media, by churches, and by politicians, even after the soldiers themselves confess raping, murdering, torturing, and otherwise brutalizing Afghans, Iraqis, and others, or from the same when an Israeli soldier shoots, wrongfully imprisons, attacks, etc a Palestinian, or uses a Palestinian child as a human shield?

    I am not saying that "no, Muslims do not do these things." I am saying "You are a hypocrite if you only condemn Muslims of doing these things and claim Christians and Jews are incapable of doing the same thing." In my article about this subject, I make it very clear that I don't believe Muslims are better as human beings, or that Christians or Jews are worse as human beings. I believe we are all equally human beings, and we are all capable of doing the same things, and the differences are in how it is framed by the popular culture and what we have experienced ourselves. If you take any human being, no matter how good they are, and put them in a sufficiently bad situation for a sufficiently long amount of time, they *will* turn to violence. It's not that some humans are better or worse than others. It's that we have all had different experiences from everyone else.

    whenever we -former muslims- criticize islam on this forum, we by all means do not have to every single time mention xtianity or judaism,

    Islam is our real problem! n some ex muslims are still suffering.


    Yes, Islam may be the cause of the problems you personally are experiencing. Yes, mentioning Judaism and Christianity when discussing your personal experiences is unnecessary. But when you make it a pattern to condemn Islam and to condemn ALL Muslims, regardless of their personal views, when you claim that ALL Muslims are terrorists (subset: and are incapable of changing to be constructive members of society) regardless of their personal actions or beliefs, and that NO ONE ELSE is a group of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, then you are a) wrong, b) a bigot, and c) promoting violence against Muslims, and that's when I feel the need to step in and point out that that view is wrong, bigoted, and promoting violence against innocent people.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #27 - October 03, 2015, 01:03 AM

    Im on vacation somewhere far from the middle east, using iphone only, cant watch the clips.

    Over this forum n many others the subject has been discussed n debated over n over,


    you livin n the US makes the case very clear to me,

    when you come one day n live n saudi, egypt , gcc, pakistan, or indonesia etc,

    we talk.

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #28 - October 03, 2015, 02:44 AM

    I think the difference here is simply geography. I live in a Christian majority country, so historically most religious crime has been committed by Christians. You are referring to Muslim majority countries, so it would make sense that most religious abuses there were committed by Muslims.
    Everyone's experience of a religion differs. If you have only experience of one religion, it could seem to you that only that religion is "bad". If, however, you have experienced more than one faith in which abuse/apocalypse/superiority was condoned, then you might have the view that religion is the problem, rather than a certain faith alone.
    I used to think that Judaism (as a religion) was not aggressive or violent until I read some experiences of moderate Jews in Israel clashing with or being bullied by the Orthodox, for example. I just did not know, not having lived there, that such doings were considered permissible or even desirable by any sect of that faith.
    Probably no religion is exempt from serious flaw, if we act as though it is a domain of one faith then we risk vilifying that population and polarizing what does not need to be polarized. It is better if we admit that all religion contains horror, and expose them equally and often.
    Fighting hate with hate rarely results in a positive.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #29 - October 03, 2015, 02:50 AM

    Im on vacation somewhere far from the middle east, using iphone only, cant watch the clips.

    Over this forum n many others the subject has been discussed n debated over n over,


    you livin n the US makes the case very clear to me,

    when you come one day n live n saudi, egypt , gcc, pakistan, or indonesia etc,

    we talk.


    So it is clear to you that I know nothing about your experiences and what you have seen because I don't live where you do? Why is it not also clear to you that *you* know nothing about *my* experiences and what *I* have seen because *you* don't live in where I do?

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
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