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  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #540 - January 28, 2017, 03:13 AM

    It's hard to prevent that type of things to happen in any country. So according to this logic you're saying that every politician is evenly unethical because of this probability? Even tough one of them actively promotes hatred, denies all science and plans on censoring it?


    I'm saying that if we can make bribing politicians illegal again and start arresting politicians who accept bribes, it will go a long way in cracking down on the number of corrupt politicians who are violating the principles of the electorate for cash.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #541 - January 28, 2017, 07:41 AM

    Bosnia is not really Muslim world. Anyways, let's say more good came from USA intervention...
    Afghanistan - they supported talibans against soviets/russians. Sorry but USA really fucked up that place. Don't you think secular communists are much better than salafi/islamists?
    Syria: Well USA supports The Rebels and Russians Assad. Could you please tell us how many non sunni muslims you can find in Rebels held territories?


    Foreign policy is not determined by a moral code but by interests of one nation, the one creating the policy. This avoid wars and enables various nations to co-exist to some extent. It also enables nations to take actions to prevent certain events. For example a preemptive strike is to protect a nation and it's citizens at the cost of a different nation and it's citizens.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #542 - January 28, 2017, 08:28 AM

    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts linkexplainic=29594.msg865646#msg865646 date=1485562981
    ^^Answer my question instead of going off on a tangent: what exactly are you suggesting to do to Muslims who do not stop practicing their religion? Are you or are you not suggesting that they should be rounded up into camps? If that is not what you are suggesting, end the so-called "smear" by clarifying what exactly you believe should happen to them.

    In order to achieve what you are calling for, there will be lots of violence and there will be lots of killing, as I  already stated in the other thread. Now, either you know this and support violence and the killing of the "right" sort of people (Muslims), or you are dishonest and claim that it can be achieved without the violence.

    I think that calling for atrocities towards an entire religious group on a mass scale is abhorrent. If that makes me a socialist, I am proud to be one. Atheism and Agnosticism are growing much faster than Islam, and stats do not show an accurate reflection apostates of Islam, considering the social issues that many of us face. Besides, how on Earth would forcing Muslims to give up their religion stop overpopulation?

    The media went "full on" because he made it easy for them to do so. You can't come out with extremely controversial statements, then cry about a "smear  campaign" when others spread the word.

    And how do you explain yours to the hundreds of innocent people who were tortured? Or is this another situation of torture and killing not being an issue when it happens to the "right" sort of people? Most people would "confess" to anything to make the pain stop, and I know I would. So the information is not reliable unless there is absolute certainty that the person is actually involved in an imminent threat. And even then, there are those who would give false information in order to cause as much damage as possible. Ironically, the only argument for torture that makes any sense is Trump's argument that it should be done out of vengeance. I don't agree with it, but it makes much more sense than the ticking bomb argument.

    And for the record: Bosnia is in Europe.

    Not to mention the thinly veiled: I care for every European but not you (a Brit). Translates: I only care for White people.


    There's no need for camps or anything like that. It can easily done without. Restrictions to benefits, public jobs, one child policy for those who continue to practice Sunni Islam, Holocaust denial sort of laws,  etc. Of course it will result in violence, killings left and right, army on the streets, but 100 years or 300 years from now it will end. At least, there is an end of it. We have all of these already anyways and it gets worse by doing nothing. We are heading fast to civil war, the type of Lebanon, Syria, Bosnia scenario.

    You say you care about Europe? You are just a pathetic liar, you just care for the benefits that Europe is giving you. You really expect me to believe you that someone who doesn't bother Europe becoming the new Middle East cares for Europe? Spare me of your falseness, you are fooling no one here.

    Europeans are my kin, it is normal to care more for those who are more closely connected to you. This is not racism, like a true professional in smearing like yourself is trying hard to portrait here. It's just normal. I feel very connected for different reasons with Greek people, with Armenians, Serbs and Jews because of their history and because of what they have been through. And after closely following the civil war for 6 years I feel very connected to the Alawites people who are facing extermination if they're losing the war against this evil ideology. So, spare me of your smearing accusations of racism.

    The only defence that you are mounting here is denial of demographics changes and a supposedly big growth of atheism and Agnosticism. Both completely false as you very well know but conveniently ignored because you know damn right that it breaks your defence into thousands of pieces. Would you care to read some demographic statistics. Let me give you some: About 60 year ago there were ten times morr Japanese than Algerians. In 50 years from now there will be same number of Algerians and Japanese,  despite the Algerians civil wars and  and despite Algerians migration to Europe. 100 years, that's how fast things are changing. Same pattern in Europe and around dthe world.  All Sunni Islamic world is booming and it's quite normal given how Islam forbids education, liberal thinking and everything that lower fertility rate. And about atheism and Agnosticism growth inside the Sunnis. It's so low, that it's quite irrelevant. If you want a big growth in atheism and make it counts, you should steal a page from the old Albanian communism books.

    And is only the Muslims that you care? Discrimination of non muslims in Islamic world is notorious, what do you think we should do with them? Discrimination of Muslims in non muslims countries is nothing compared to this. The focus should be more there in honesty. What you purpose for them, because they are wiped out right now?

    I think I was wrong calling you a socialist.  What sort of socialist would want a dark evil ideology like Islam, which is against almost all socialism great ideals, to rule supreme? I decided I'm more socialist than you ever be. You're just naive, ignorant and hypocrite.

    As about torturing, how would you explain to a mother which child has been killed in a terrorist attack. Would she understand? Would you? Trump is only  stupid for advertising such a thing.

    It's a smearing campaign. Politicians say a lot of stupid things to get votes. Why don't we wait to see what he will do as we waited with others? Smearing someone because he wants less immigration? What's wrong in that.  Maybe he has the right of it, given what happens with Europe. The problem with Trump is not his immigration policy or his views about Islam. I'm sure he has the support of most of American peoples regarding these two. It's his views about global warming which are very worrying to me and where it can get very ugly.

    And BTW I have answered to your questions. Would you care to do the same, given that you accused me of not doing. Seems your habit is avoiding the inconvenient truth and avoid answering inconvenent questions. I order to help you, I can tell you that questions end up with a question mark.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #543 - January 28, 2017, 08:47 AM

    nbhb, what you're saying is evil.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #544 - January 28, 2017, 08:52 AM

    Foreign policy is not determined by a moral code but by interests of one nation, the one creating the policy. This avoid wars and enables various nations to co-exist to some extent. It also enables nations to take actions to prevent certain events. For example a preemptive strike is to protect a nation and it's citizens at the cost of a different nation and it's citizens.


    Okay bogart let's take Syria where USA seems to support all sort of Islamist factions.  Moral code would tell you that Assad is less worse than Al Qaeda ane company, so for a morally point of view USA should support  Assad or at least no one but YPG.

    Now what did they get from this? They are selling a lot of weapons to KSA to kill people in Yemen and to arm Syrian rebels. Good for economy,  I agree, but long term it is really in americans interests to create an Al Qaeda emirate, given the experience with Libya and Afghanistan? How they are avoiding a future war doing like this?

    I mean, why don’t you limit yourself to bomb ISIS and support YPG?
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #545 - January 28, 2017, 08:57 AM

    There's no need for camps or anything like that. It can easily done without. Restrictions to benefits, public jobs, one child policy for those who continue to practice Sunni Islam, Holocaust denial sort of laws,  etc. Of course it will result in violence, killings left and right, army on the streets, but 100 years or 300 years from now it will end. At least, there is an end of it. We have all of these already anyways and it gets worse by doing nothing. We are heading fast to civil war, the type of Lebanon, Syria, Bosnia scenario.

    You say you care about Europe? You are just a pathetic liar, you just care for the benefits that Europe is giving you. You really expect me to believe you that someone who doesn't bother Europe becoming the new Middle East cares for Europe? Spare me of your falseness, you are fooling no one here.

    Europeans are my kin, it is normal to care more for those who are more closely connected to you. This is not racism, like a true professional in smearing like yourself is trying hard to portrait here. It's just normal. I feel very connected for different reasons with Greek people, with Armenians, Serbs and Jews because of their history and because of what they have been through. And after closely following the civil war for 6 years I feel very connected to the Alawites people who are facing extermination if they're losing the war against this evil ideology. So, spare me of your smearing accusations of racism.

    The only defence that you are mounting here is denial of demographics changes and a supposedly big growth of atheism and Agnosticism. Both completely false as you very well know but conveniently ignored because you know damn right that it breaks your defence into thousands of pieces. Would you care to read some demographic statistics. Let me give you some: About 60 year ago there were ten times morr Japanese than Algerians. In 50 years from now there will be same number of Algerians and Japanese,  despite the Algerians civil wars and  and despite Algerians migration to Europe. 100 years, that's how fast things are changing. Same pattern in Europe and around dthe world.  All Sunni Islamic world is booming and it's quite normal given how Islam forbids education, liberal thinking and everything that lower fertility rate. And about atheism and Agnosticism growth inside the Sunnis. It's so low, that it's quite irrelevant. If you want a big growth in atheism and make it counts, you should steal a page from the old Albanian communism books.

    And is only the Muslims that you care? Discrimination of non muslims in Islamic world is notorious, what do you think we should do with them? Discrimination of Muslims in non muslims countries is nothing compared to this. The focus should be more there in honesty. What you purpose for them, because they are wiped out right now?

    I think I was wrong calling you a socialist.  What sort of socialist would want a dark evil ideology like Islam, which is against almost all socialism great ideals, to rule supreme? I decided I'm more socialist than you ever be. You're just naive, ignorant and hypocrite.

    As about torturing, how would you explain to a mother which child has been killed in a terrorist attack. Would she understand? Would you? Trump is only  stupid for advertising such a thing.

    It's a smearing campaign. Politicians say a lot of stupid things to get votes. Why don't we wait to see what he will do as we waited with others? Smearing someone because he wants less immigration? What's wrong in that.  Maybe he has the right of it, given what happens with Europe. The problem with Trump is not his immigration policy or his views about Islam. I'm sure he has the support of most of American peoples regarding these two. It's his views about global warming which are very worrying to me and where it can get very ugly.

    And BTW I have answered to your questions. Would you care to do the same, given that you accused me of not doing. Seems your habit is avoiding the inconvenient truth and avoid answering inconvenent questions. I order to help you, I can tell you that questions end up with a question mark.


    This won't work because of a quirk of human psychology: tell someone that they can't do/have something, and they start to value it more highly and want it more. Instead of trying to deconvert Muslims by legislation, we have to do it by persuasion. However, we do need to crack down more on Saudi funding to international mosques and arrest more people like who are encouraging support for ISIS like Anjem Choudary.

    nbhb, what you're saying is evil.


    So are suicide bombings and slavery. We may need to do some things that are against our morals to stop Islamic extremism, but this particular tactic would not be pragmatic.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #546 - January 28, 2017, 08:59 AM

    So are suicide bombings and slavery.



    That makes nbhb's comments less evil?

    We may need to do some things that are against our morals to stop Islamic extremism, but this particular tactic would not be pragmatic.


    Jesus Christ...

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #547 - January 28, 2017, 09:02 AM

    nbhb, what you're saying is evil.


    You're right, but it is no more than the disaster that we are fast heading to. There are no easy solutions for this problem. If it would have been easier, we would have knew it by now. Doing nothing is killing people and it gets worse.

    There is no black and right here. No matter what we choose is evil, I hope you are all aware of this.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #548 - January 28, 2017, 09:03 AM

    Not to mention the thinly veiled: I care for every European but not you (a Brit). Translates: I only care for White people.

    nbhb, what you're saying is evil.

    This.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #549 - January 28, 2017, 09:13 AM

    You're right, but it is no more than the disaster that we are fast heading to. There are no easy solutions for this problem. If it would have been easier, we would have knew it by now. Doing nothing is killing people and it gets worse.

    There is no black and right here. No matter what we choose is evil, I hope you are all aware of this.


    Just you it seems.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #550 - January 28, 2017, 09:20 AM

    Yes Zeca it is yes in Quod case. But where did you got that I care only for White people and in particular I don't care about AGWD? Is she black and somehow I said I don't care about being black or something?. Pray where this accusations of racism come from?
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #551 - January 28, 2017, 09:23 AM

    You haven't even made a good argument.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #552 - January 28, 2017, 09:28 AM

    Just you it seems.


    Hmmmm,  is hard to be honest,  that's true. Well, I suppose people being killed because of Islam is not evil after all.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #553 - January 28, 2017, 09:29 AM

    You haven't even made a good argument.


    Sorry? You lost me...
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #554 - January 28, 2017, 09:30 AM

    Your arguments are bad.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #555 - January 28, 2017, 09:46 AM

    Sometimes they are, yes, but have to be explained why...
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #556 - January 28, 2017, 09:47 AM

    That makes nbhb's comments less evil?


    This is the thing I was talking about earlier about the difference between chaotic moral and lawful immoral. ISIS is doing things that are lawful according to Islam. They are pushing gay people off of buildings, they're capturing unbelieving women and selling them into slavery, they're killing infidels--often by decapitation or burning them in cages, they're bulldozing people into mass graves, they're doing all kinds of immoral things--yet it's all legal/lawful in Islam and to them as a state (whether or not they're recognized as one internationally, they absolutely see themselves as one, so I think it's fair to judge them as one). They are also sending fighters into Europe to commit terrorist attacks. I think it's also fairly likely that their operatives are involved in the mass sexual assaults.

    I don't know what the permanent solution to that is. Here's a definite of chaotic moral/good (I used moral because it makes it more clear; "good" and "bad" are relative and that relativism makes it harder to understand what I mean by the term):
    Quote
    A chaotic good character will keep his word to those who are not evil and will lie only to evil-doers. He will never attack an unarmed foe and will never harm an innocent. He will not use torture to extract information or for pleasure, but he may "rough up" someone to get information. He will never kill for pleasure, only in self-defense or in the defense of others. A chaotic good character will never use poison. He will help those in need and he prefers to work alone, as he values his freedom. He does not respond well to higher authority, is distrustful of organizations, and will disregard the law in his fight against evil. He will never betray a family member, comrade, or friend. Chaotic good characters do not respect the concepts of self-discipline and honor, because they believe such concepts limit freedom to act.

     source

    I think that the solution to the problem of Islamic extremism will have to be a chaotic good solution. Instating laws that ban Islam and put strict controls on the Muslim population without killing them would, if it were made policy, become lawful. Putting Muslims into camps and killing them would be immoral. Banning the niqab is to me morally neutral--you will be preventing some women who want to wear it from wearing it, but you will also allow some women who don't want to wear it but are being forced to not to wear it (although if they have someone pressuring them to wear it, that person may also pressure them to not leave the house instead of easing up on the pressure).

    In terms of nbhd's specific suggestions:
    Restrictions to benefits -- depends on what benefits and whether or not this person is a citizen of your country. I wouldn't deny food, but I would deny disability and cost of living and housing stipends to non-citizen immigrants who refuse to integrate or who have come to Europe in the migrant crisis to encourage them to leave. If having to get a job doesn't make them want to leave, then they're probably refugees and not just benefit seeking migrants.
    restrictions to public jobs -- I wouldn't do this, but I wouldn't go so far to say that it's evil, just kind of a shitty thing to do.
    one child policy for those who continue to practice Sunni Islam--this is immoral. I don't really know why but restricting people's ability to breed is something that most people find morally repugnant, and since that's the views of the majority of society, I assume there must be some kind of reasoning to it that I personally don't understand.
    Holocaust denial sort of laws--I'm not sure about these. On the one hand, I do understand where they're coming from and that if we forget or turn a blind eye to genocide and immoral activities in general, we will enable those who commit them. On the other hand, forcing people with violent ideologies into the shadows won't make them understand why they're wrong. In that regard, letting them say what they want and then explaining to them exactly why it is that they're wrong about that, as long as you don't let them DO anything violent, may be a better solution. But like I said earlier, then you have people like Anjem Choudary who will incite people to support ISIS but won't themselves kill anyone. But if you put them in jail, you'll probably end up having them convert inmates who are already going to be people who are more likely than the average population to commit crimes....it's a whole mess and I don't really know what the solution is.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #557 - January 28, 2017, 09:54 AM

    Sometimes they are, yes, but have to be explained why...


    Care to start a new topic on the matter?

    One on one:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=31.0

    Ringside seats:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=32.0

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #558 - January 28, 2017, 09:56 AM

    I want to do a livestream with whoever from this thread would be interested where we could talk it out in more detail.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #559 - January 28, 2017, 10:04 AM



    I don't know how this works but I would have an one to one. Can you create it, I'm on my mobile all weekend?
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #560 - January 28, 2017, 10:10 AM

    Sure. Here's the link. http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30736.0

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #561 - January 28, 2017, 10:20 AM

    one child policy for those who continue to practice Sunni Islam--this is immoral. I don't really know why but restricting people's ability to breed is something that most people find morally repugnant, and since that's the views of the majority of society, I assume there must be some kind of reasoning to it that I personally don't understand.
    Holocaust denial sort of laws--I'm not sure about these. On the one hand, I do understand where they're coming from and that if we forget or turn a blind eye to genocide and immoral activities in general, we will enable those who commit them. On the other hand, forcing people with violent ideologies into the shadows won't make them understand why they're wrong. In that regard, letting them say what they want and then explaining to them exactly why it is that they're wrong about that, as long as you don't let them DO anything violent, may be a better solution. But like I said earlier, then you have people like Anjem Choudary who will incite people to support ISIS but won't themselves kill anyone. But if you put them in jail, you'll probably end up having them convert inmates who are already going to be people who are more likely than the average population to commit crimes....it's a whole mess and I don't really know what the solution is.


    One child policy is for pressuring people to give up Sunni Islam and for making Islam shrink. It's terrible,  but decent compared to putting people in preasons. We have the Chinese experiment. I would also go ahead with maximum 2 child policies for everyone else.
    Holocaust denial laws should be for Salafi preaching and these kind of things.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #562 - January 28, 2017, 11:40 AM

    Donald Trump's Muslim ban 'means Iranian film director nominated for an Oscar won't be able to attend ceremony'
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #563 - January 28, 2017, 11:44 AM

    The Muslim ban in action:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tparsi/status/825189449831161856

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tparsi/status/825265754819944449

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tparsi/status/825282499274219520
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #564 - January 28, 2017, 11:51 AM



    One of the problem with Trump is that he doesn't know much about Islam. Iran is a Shia country, he should have replaced Iran with KSA if it's really about terrorism.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #565 - January 28, 2017, 12:05 PM



    What fuckery.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #566 - January 28, 2017, 12:11 PM

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tparsi/status/825238825257533440
    Quote
    Let this sink in. There are green card holders who may have lived here for years, who upon returning home to US today were refused reentry.

  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #567 - January 28, 2017, 03:09 PM

    Let this sink in. There are green card holders who may have lived here for years, who upon returning home to US today were refused reentry.


    We have had this problem for a while with the no-fly list. Since you like anecdotes, one guy got fired because he put his own wife on the no-fly list so she couldn't come home from Pakistan because he found her annoying:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/immigration-officer-sacked-for-putting-wife-107487

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #568 - January 28, 2017, 03:16 PM

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-moves-could-block-500000-legal-us-residents-from-returning-to-america-from-trips-2017-1

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/rights-groups-flooded-with-calls-as-people-fear-re-entry-to-us-will-be-denied

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/google-recall-staff-outside-us-wake-donald-trumps-ban-muslim-countries-1603625

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/01/27/trump-executive-action-extreme-vetting-sciutto-lead-bts.cnn

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuDZit1lOkU

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Donald Trump wants to ban Muslims from America
     Reply #569 - January 28, 2017, 03:54 PM

    Trump suspends US refugee programme, entry from seven Muslim countries    ... 

    that news heading with this picture of US of A President    Mr. Trump



    published few hrs ago in Dawn  and those seven muslim countries : Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

    but but there are many Shia and Christians in those countries     Huh?   And  I read pulse of  people with interesting responses

    Quote
    ASIF A. SHAHABOUT 12 HOURS AGO

    President's order for " extreme vetting" will probably remain in tact but his ban on Muslims across the board solely based on religious association may not stand judicial scrutiny. Equal Protection Clause of the U. S. Constitution is likely to prevail regarding this issue.

    AFTABABOUT 12 HOURS AGO

    We should learn from Trump and protect our nationals in Pakistan.

    DR. FAROOQ KHANABOUT 11 HOURS AGO
    Lots of respect for the person who is honest and does what he believes

    MOHAMMED HUNDABOUT 11 HOURS AGO
    Good news is that Pakistan is not one of the seven countries identified in the list.

    MUHAMMAD ASIMABOUT 11 HOURS AGO
    Being president of US - he has full right to do it and fulfill the promises he made to the Public who selected him.

    I would say - it is good news for the regions from where there was huge Migration of Talent from their respective countries to US or Developed countries

    it could be blessing in disguise



    HASSAN ASHRAFABOUT 11 HOURS AGO
    Despicable, yet auspicious for all the Muslims who have expatriated to serve the western populations, while their own homeland is deprived of talent. It is time that you guys return to your motherlands and make the Muslim world great again. God made us all equal, if they could acheive prosperity so can we. We don't need them.

    MUHAMMAD HUSSAINABOUT 10 HOURS AGO
    Truth always prevails.Truth always bitter.Well done DT. Expecting more concrete steps to nip the evil from the bud.

    MUHAMMAD ABDUL MOIZABOUT 10 HOURS AGO
    Anyways, Its not America's responsibility to hold Muslim refugees and Pakistanis' has no right to call them intolerant while they themselves kicking out afghans

    MUHAMMAD HUSSAINABOUT 10 HOURS AGO
    Mr.DT. you are hitting the Bull's Eyes.Truth is always bitter.But appreciated and expected more concrete steps to nip the evil from the bud.


    Interesting responses from people that live in Pakistan

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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