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"You are using anachronisms to argue your point which make it irrelevant."
example?
I provided an example within my comment. Also look up what anachronism means then reread your blog with that in mind.
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"Also you are using stereotypes to argue your point which also make these irrelevant. "
I provided an example in the comment. Read it again.
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I only respond to his insults with equal ones
Which undermines your logic since you need to use insults as part of your argument.
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"Girl also play violent video games so there goes that argument"
i never said they don't don't strawman me, dolls are primarily a female thing, and saying that girls who keep dolls or teady bears are children is out most idiotic, my own sister is one year older than me she is 25 and she have dolls she is a college graduate, all her friends aswell have dolls, are they all children to you?
You still used it as an example thus still a stereotype. You are still ignoring that a doll is consider idolatry. The exception for children is based on the verse by Aisha about dolls itself. That is my point. Dolls within Islam are for children only. If an adult has one then they are are breaking idolatry rulings
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"Your are using opinions as if opinions matter. You could delete everything after the definition of pedophilia and your point would be sound"
delete what?
Sorry I wasn't specific enough. Kecia Ali view on hadith is an opinion only.
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i cited academic sources and references all agree that you can't just look at someone sexually attracted to children and immediately label them as pedophiles, also they said that if someone follows a tradition or religion that allow them for child marriage they are not pedophiles, that is not what I'm saying at all that is what academics and sexologist say
" Everything after it does more damage then good. For example "The Jurisprudence have made the judgment in marriage and gave permission to young ones under one condition that they are to be consulted in marriage and they should reach adulthood or pass nine years of age" Notice there is no mention of puberty just an age requirement. "
I already said these were fine
adulthood is when they are mentally and physically ready, notice how i provided academic and biological sources that even at the age of 8 you can still hit puberty, these are all undisputed academic sources, and the university of Chicago is not the only place where you can find such claim, but i also noticed how you ignored all the sources i gave from classical scholars where they explicitly say that child marriage is only allowed if there is special benefit for the child, I.e giving your child to a rich man so she can grow up in a rich house, non of them said that you can give away your child to a husband who is sexually attracted to her, Infact almost all of them agree that if the husband is sexually deviant he should not be handled to the child, but rather wait for her to be ready, notice how many of them said that she should not be handled if she will be damaged [/quote]
Hit puberty but not finish puberty. There is a difference. I never ignored these sources. These sources are the very ones I said did more harm than good. You contradict yourself by providing ground for child marriage.
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"You should link the videos themselves so people can see the references directly."
why would i, only his fans know about my blog, plus from the title and the name of the person they can easily google him and see the video I'm targeting
You made the assumption that his fans are here and they know his videos well. Obviously I didn't. It is sloppy work that is my point.
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"Your work also looks like a draft. It is very hard to read due to poor grammar, sentence structure and punctuation."
English is not my first language, I'm an arab i didn't grow up in Uk like he did, second of all how come all English speaking audience including muslims who have read my rebuttal clearly understood it? and you didn't?
I said it was hard to read not that I didn't understand it. Also the blog's format seems smaller than whatever you used to type up the article thus distorts what you wrote by forcing line drops and paraphrases.
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this is partly true i struggled for 30 minutes editing my blog live on the website when it messed up some endnootes
Yes like I said it looks like the blog format reformatted what you wrote. Software conflicts.
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Mistakes such as? as for child molester this is also addressed in the academic sources i provided, but he still doesn't fall under child molester purely because he was following his tradition
Tradition is irrelevant as child abuse is not dictate by culture. Also your argument is relativistic so I can use the same argument against Islam. Islam is not longer suitable in modern cultures, done.
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let me ask you for real, why is it only anti-islam polemicists such as yourself i assume, and TMA or any ex muslim claim Muhammad is a pedophile but when you present your argument to any sexologist they will not take it seriously when they immediately know that Muhammad was simply following his tradition?
I never said pedophile. I said child molester. Tradition is irrelevant, it only shows the human nature of Islam in which human standards are acceptable Again the same argument can be used against Islam."
"I provided an example within my comment. Also look up what anachronism means then reread your blog with that in mind."
you didn't read your original comment this is what you said "You are using anachronisms to argue your point which make it irrelevant" that is it, just that no example was given
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"Also you are using stereotypes to argue your point which also make these irrelevant. "
I provided an example in the comment. Read it again.
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i think you are referring to the example of boys and girls being both can play violent video games
which is again I NEVER SAID that violent video games are exclusive to boys, please don't strawman me
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I only respond to his insults with equal ones
Which undermines your logic since you need to use insults as part of your argument. "
where did said and make a statement similar to that? all i did is comment on HIS insults that is it, then proceed to the refutation
"You still used it as an example thus still a stereotype. You are still ignoring that a doll is consider idolatry. The exception for children is based on the verse by Aisha about dolls itself. That is my point. Dolls within Islam are for children only. If an adult has one then they are are breaking idolatry rulings "
"That is my point. Dolls within Islam are for children only."citation needed
"Sorry I wasn't specific enough. Kecia Ali view on hadith is an opinion only. "
same as the scholars he cited in his video where he shared videos of scholars in an interview condoning (or seams so) pedophilia, these are also opinions, so let me guess, the masked arab according to you can cite opinions, i can't?
"Hit puberty but not finish puberty. There is a difference. I never ignored these sources. These sources are the very ones I said did more harm than good. You contradict yourself by providing ground for child marriage."
why are they the harmful ones? where did i provide ground for child marriage, these are Not my opinion, here let me make it simple
the masked arab claimed that you can marry a child even in cradle for no reason
i showed that there need to be a special benefit as juries claim in order to have a child marriage, not that you can go and marry a child for no reason
he claimed that you can have sex with a child even when they are in cradle or no matter what age they are
i showed that not only he mistranslated the sources but that is a total nonsense, and i provided classical sources to back up my claim
"Tradition is irrelevant as child abuse is not dictate by culture. Also your argument is relativistic so I can use the same argument against Islam. Islam is not longer suitable in modern cultures, done.
"I never said pedophile. I said child molester. Tradition is irrelevant, it only shows the human nature of Islam in which human standards are acceptable Again the same argument can be used against Islam"
and again how do you diffine child molester, how do sexologist define child molester? do they apply it on someone who is simply following the tradition?
you have to provide academic sources to backup your claims, can you show me an academic who claims that a child molester can be also applied to anyone who is also following a tradition or religion?
and next time don't use the quote function as it makes your comment so long, simply copy my statement as quote and quote and reply under it
Topic: My responses to the masked arab