"So AZ9119 says :
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Girls reach puberty from 8-12 accommodating with 3 years of biological changes in their body, if you are saying by that that i approve a 53 year old marriage to a 9 year old then go and insult the doctors at the university of Chicago and almost every other scientific who makes the claim that girls reach puberty at the age of 8 or 9,
So What ! Here's what WHO and the NIH say about teenage pregnancies.
http://www.who.int/maternal_child_adolescent/topics/maternal/adolescent_pregnancy/en/https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001516.htmAnd these dangers would be worse if the child is sub-teen, i.e 8 – 10 year old.
http://www.livescience.com/19584-10-year-birth.htmlQuote
Nor are 10-, 11- and 12-year-olds remotely prepared to care for a baby, Wall said. But the risks are physical, as well.
"The placenta preferentially will take nutrition from the mother, who really is a child," said Sherry Thomas, an ob/gyn at Mission Community Hospital in Panorama City, Calif. That means that the developing fetus will leach calcium and other nutrients from a child who should still be growing herself. Likewise, pregnancy puts a major strain on the cardiovascular system, according to Wall. Pregnant women have about 50 percent more blood circulating through their bodies compared with non-pregnant women. [8 Odd Bodily Changes During Pregnancy]
The greatest danger, however, is to the pelvic floor. Girls may start ovulating and menstruating as early as age 9, though the average is around 12 to 13. (Some studies suggest that the average age of first menstruation is dropping, but the data is not conclusive.) Just because a girl can get pregnant, though, doesn't mean she can safely deliver a baby. The pelvis does not fully widen until the late teens, meaning that young girls may not be able to push the baby through the birth canal.
The results are horrific, said Wall and Thomas, who have both worked in Africa treating women in the aftermath of such labors. Girls may labor for days; many die. Their babies often don't survive labor either.
The women and girls who do survive often develop fistulas, which are holes between the vaginal wall and the rectum or bladder. When the baby's head pushes down and gets stuck, it can cut portions of the mother's soft tissue between its skull and her pelvic bones. As a result, the tissue dies, and a hole forms. Feces and urine then leak through the hole and out of the vagina. Women with fistulas are often divorced and
and shunned. And young girls are at higher risk.
"The younger you are, the more trauma will occur, because the pelvic floor isn't developed enough," Thomas said. In that way, she said, the young Colombian girl was fortunate to have access to a hospital that could provide a caesarean section.
As growth tends to slow in girls once menstruation starts, a 10-year-old capable of getting pregnant is likely to be especially small, with a small pelvis, Wall said. And even if puberty onset is happening earlier (Wall isn't entirely convinced by the current data), pelvises are certainly not maturing any faster, he said. If puberty does occur earlier, that would put young girls at risk for dangerous pregnancies for a longer period of time.
"It's heart-wrenching," Thomas said. "It's just overwhelming to see these young women pregnant and delivering."
This from a cursaory google search... there must be tons more out there.
I do agree, the the term 'pedophile' is provocative or even inflammatory if we judge a 7th century ordinary man's mores by today's standards. However a Prophet who is set up as the ideal example for all times should be held to a higher standard, I would think."
first thanks for the reply and conducting some research into the topic, however i think you are taking something from my article that isn't really there, i think is that you are presupposing your conclusion regarding child marriage, correct me if I'm wrong are you saying that my article condone child marriage or give favor for it?if so, can you quote me directly of where i made such statement? if i did so i'll gladly remove it
My main argument and MY MAIN CLAIM, is that saying Aisha didn't reach puberty just as much as the masked arab claim, is scientifically and logically false
as for your claim on Muhammad you haven't made it clear, are you agreeing that calling him a pedophile for simply following a tradition is an inaccurate term logically and scientifically as i claim? if so let go back to your comment of him being a role model, although Muhammad says in Quran that he is that he is merely a human being, and if we think about it human beings make mistakes, on top of all that Muhammad did justified apparently his marriage to Aisha according to hadith sources, where he told her that he saw her in a dream as a vision from god and told him to marry her, this is kinda probably the justification for his marriage, which means that he married her duo to a vision probably not his sexual lost, although he is described as a rule model that doesn't mean we need to do everything he did, he lived in houses made of clay and rides camel as mean of transportation, and lived under tents, does this mean that we have to do that?
when he said that he is merely a human being i think this sends a message that he is not to be followed completely and he was a man of his time
i could be wrong and i could accept that, but if you think about it he was simply following his 7th century tradition, Not his own desires, otherwise contemporary sources will accuse him of such
this is not me trying to harmonize it or trying to live with it, i agree it does seams like a problematic issue, but if you look at it logically it's really not, it's only problematic if your way of thinking is emotional and shallow, i don't ignore these parts of hadiths and these parts of Islamic tradition that raises question mark on top of your head, i accept that they exist, and i laugh at those who claim moderate muslims are not real muslims if they don't practice these things, do we need to leave machine guns for swords and horses as means for battle? if you look in history even after the death of the prophet even during his family tree, muslims did evolve in this battle tactics, from swords they brought the manganon several years during the battle of Jerusalem, if old muslims classical muslims will want to truly copy the prophet life time in every way, they will not bring in new weapons and tools during the history of islam
i hope that makes sense to you
i think this clears it up, what I'm trying to say is that in islam muslims should imitate the prophet in some aspects and in others they should like they always did in hsitory
Topic: My responses to the masked arab