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  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #60 - June 15, 2016, 10:48 AM
    Don't forget friends, darwin died in 1882.
    Not much long ago.
    136 years ago only.
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #61 - June 16, 2016, 01:41 AM
    Quote from: asbie on June 13, 2016, 01:32 AM
    How about any evidence that is at all convincing?

    It's far more likely that a desert dweller made up some stories to heighten his own self-importance, compared to any of the alternative explanations that involve supernatural intervention.


    what do you make of the cases put forward by Imam Al Ghazali and Said Nursi in Risale i Nur?

    its not going to prove anything of course, despite Ghazali being honoured with the title 'proof of islam'
    of course that's why we call it 'faith'
    but his works make for interesting reading, as do Nursi's...
    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #62 - June 16, 2016, 01:48 AM
    Quote from: babooshka on June 14, 2016, 11:03 PM

    and heaven is just boring. when I die I want to be able to talk to god. my first words will be how did you do all this. show me! why did you do it? what were you thinking??? i'd love to have a chat with god.


    This is the highest level i believe, rewarded to those who achieved spiritual excellence
    divine secrets are revealed to them,

    God doesn't speak though, nor does he really think in the sense that we do, so that might be difficult.
    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #63 - June 16, 2016, 02:34 AM
    Sunni.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #64 - June 16, 2016, 11:58 AM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 01:48 AM
    This is the highest level i believe, rewarded to those who achieved spiritual excellence
    divine secrets are revealed to them,


    can you point me to the source where it says that plz?

  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #65 - June 16, 2016, 12:03 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 01:48 AM
    God doesn't speak though, nor does he really think in the sense that we do, so that might be difficult.


    i'm sure god communicates in more advanced ways then what we're familiar with. but he could indulge us once we've made it all the way heaven. i'd love to have a  chat with God/ Muhammad and Jesus and Moses
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #66 - June 16, 2016, 12:08 PM
    and whilst i'm here, can you please tell me why we have to recite durood for people who are were perfectly holy and better than me after namaz. you know when we do the alla huma salley allah muhammdien wala alia wa sabia etc etc etc? why am i praying for this lot?

    and my last question is what exactly was the mercy of Muhammad. its a genuine question. I've looked on youtube and the nasheeds in the background grate on me.
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #67 - June 16, 2016, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 01:48 AM
    This is the highest level i believe, rewarded to those who achieved spiritual excellence
    divine secrets are revealed to them,


    Highest level..  HIGHEST ??   highest??  Huh?   what is it which one ElRafa l?

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    God doesn't speak though, nor does he really think in the sense that we do, so that might be difficult.

    Yes.. yes.. you are riot ElRafa  you are riot...

    GOD IS HEEeeeeeeeee  and he thinks and heee has senses..   Heeeee must also have biiiig dick to screw millions of folks in their brain..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #68 - June 16, 2016, 12:40 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 16, 2016, 12:13 PM

    GOD IS HEEeeeeeeeee  and he thinks and heee has senses..   Heeeee must also have biiiig dick to screw millions of folks in their brain..


    The Qur'an also uses 'we', as you know

    We aren't christians...God has no gender, no dick, no senses
    how is your knowledge of the Arabic language? i will guess it's more than proficient,
    in which case you know why "He" is used...


    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #69 - June 16, 2016, 12:51 PM
    Does he have a body?
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #70 - June 16, 2016, 12:56 PM
    Quote from: babooshka on June 16, 2016, 11:58 AM
    can you point me to the source where it says that plz?


    Quote from: babooshka on June 16, 2016, 11:58 AM
    I want to be able to talk to god.


    From ‘Ubaadah ibn al-Saamit (radi Allahu anhu), from the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) who said: “Whoever loves to meet Allah, Allah will love to meet him”

    well that's a good sign for you i guess,

    ihsan, the highest form of worship when according to some, one comes to see through the eyes of Allah,
    Speak to a respected scholar of tasawwuf about it, or if you wish i can link you some nasheed-less lectures and books about it.

    The mercy of Nabi saw is that he draws people away from the worship of the creation towards the worship of creator
    humans are all slaves, you can be a slave to yourself, someone else, or the transcendent
    that is when one achieves true liberation...
     



    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #71 - June 16, 2016, 12:59 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 12:40 PM
    The Qur'an also uses 'we', as you know

    We aren't christians...God has no gender, no dick, no senses

    I know all that stuff ElRafa   and that is one reason I suggest to ALL FAITH HEADS OF ALL RELIGIONS.,  the least they can help this mad world is   "STOP CALLING this god thingy as "He"  the male species".  It has and had has terrible consequences in the minds of  little kids  that these faith heads brains wash day in and day out

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    how is your knowledge of the Arabic language? i will guess it's more than proficient,
    in which case you know why "He" is used...

    my  knowledge of the Arabic language is zero... zippo... but I know why Quran uses that word.,   for that matter  i know  why many faith heads of  many so-called religions use that  word "He" for this god of human brain..  
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #72 - June 16, 2016, 12:59 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on June 16, 2016, 12:51 PM
    Does he have a body?



    the aqeedah of the ahlul sunnah wal jamah holds that the creator is outside the realms of creation, he doesn't occupy space, since he invented the notion of space, he doesnt exist in time, since he invented the notions of time,

    It is haram to attribute a form to Allah (swt)
    It is not possible to grasp the entity of Allah (swt), because” there is none comparable unto Him.” (Surah al Ikhlas, 4) and “Vision comprehendeth Him not.” (Surah al An’am, 103) Mind can just comprehend those which are material; however, Allah (swt) is not material. All beings whether we can perceive with five sense organs or not, have been created by the Creator who is glorified. Creature is neither a part of nor like the Creator. (Shamil Islamic Encyclopedia)
    “Substance is a composite that comes into existence through the combination of some matters and also needs a place. To be composed and to be in need of place are the signs of being created.” (Fiqh al Akbar, Al Sharh al Aliyy al Qari)
    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #73 - June 16, 2016, 01:03 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 12:56 PM


    ihsan, the highest form of worship when according to some, ..................

    very few readers know that word ., Please read Al-Jazeerah Hassan El-Najjararticle to learn more about that  ihsan,  worship/faith
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #74 - June 16, 2016, 01:05 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 12:40 PM
    The Qur'an also uses 'we', as you know

    We aren't christians...God has no gender, no dick, no senses
    how is your knowledge of the Arabic language? i will guess it's more than proficient,
    in which case you know why "He" is used...

    This is common to Judaism and Christianity as well.  Maybe it's the simple fact that they are all patriarchal in nature and 'he' is assumed.  
    If the books were really of divine origin, Yahweh/God/Allah, would have foreseen this problem of imputing gender to him....... oh, I don't know, maybe telling the prophets to refer to him in one sentence as he, another as she, so that both genders are equal..... or some made up word, which clearly meant 'no gender ' at all!

    (While typing this, I see that yeez posted in similar vein, but I am posting unchanged.)
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #75 - June 16, 2016, 01:05 PM
    So the shin that he shows us on the day of resurrection...his shin, on his leg, this is something magical manifested momentarily just to show us its him?




    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #76 - June 16, 2016, 01:09 PM

    [/quote]
    Quote from: BerberElla on June 16, 2016, 01:05 PM
    So the shin that he shows us on the day of resurrection...his shin, on his leg, this is something magical manifested momentarily just to show us its him?


    show me where this comes from out of interest

    and no the great theologians don't seem to think he has an actual shin
    as is mentioned, its haram to attribute any shape to Allah
    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #77 - June 16, 2016, 01:09 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 12:59 PM
    ..................

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    It is haram to attribute a form to Allah (swt)

    It is not possible to grasp the entity of Allah (swt), because” there is none comparable unto Him.” (Surah al Ikhlas, 4) and “Vision comprehendeth Him.” not.” (Surah al An’am, 103)  .................

    well they say all that., such as   "haram to attribute a form to Allah"/god whatever and then they start writing HEeeeeee,,,,  Hiiiiimm...............

    confused mindset...   Foolish people.....,  MOCK THEM AND MOVE ON
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #78 - June 16, 2016, 01:16 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 01:41 AM
    what do you make of the cases put forward by Imam Al Ghazali and Said Nursi in Risale i Nur?

    its not going to prove anything of course, despite Ghazali being honoured with the title 'proof of islam'
    of course that's why we call it 'faith'
    but his works make for interesting reading, as do Nursi's...


    Eh, tafseers tend to be pretty piss poor as proofs of anything, to be honest. At most they can reconfirm the faith of someone who is looking to find their "answers" in the Quran.

    The Quran doesn't have "answers". It's just one book collected at one time in human history.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #79 - June 16, 2016, 01:20 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 01:09 PM

    show me where this comes from out of interest

    and no the great theologians don't seem to think he has an actual shin
    as is mentioned, its haram to attribute any shape to Allah



    68:42 The Day the shin will be uncovered and they are invited to prostration but the disbelievers will not be able,
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #80 - June 16, 2016, 01:24 PM
    Quote from: asbie on June 16, 2016, 01:16 PM
    Eh, tafseers tend to be pretty piss poor as proofs of anything, to be honest. At most they can reconfirm the faith of someone who is looking to find their "answers" in the Quran.

    The Quran doesn't have "answers". It's just one book collected at one time in human history.


    its not really a tefsir,
    its more than that, if you read it youd see
    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #81 - June 16, 2016, 01:25 PM
    Quote from: ibn Bilal on June 16, 2016, 01:20 PM
    68:42 The Day the shin will be uncovered and they are invited to prostration but the disbelievers will not be able,


    and as theologians, why should i ignore the opinions of the ahlus sunnah wal jammah and believe that this is to be taken literally?
    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #82 - June 16, 2016, 01:26 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 16, 2016, 01:09 PM
    It is not possible to grasp the entity of Allah (swt), because” there is none comparable unto Him.” (Surah al Ikhlas, 4) and “Vision comprehendeth Him.” not.” (Surah al An’am, 103)  .................

    well they say all that., such as   "haram to attribute a form to Allah"/god whatever and then they start writing HEeeeeee,,,,  Hiiiiimm...............

    confused mindset...   Foolish people.....,  MOCK THEM AND MOVE ON


    who is confused?
    me?
    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #83 - June 16, 2016, 01:26 PM
    55:27 And there will remain the Face of your Lord, Owner of Majesty and Honor.
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #84 - June 16, 2016, 01:28 PM
    5:64 And the Jews say, "The hand of Allah is chained." Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #85 - June 16, 2016, 01:30 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 01:26 PM
    who is confused?""
    me?


     Nooooooooo.   I was NOT talking about you ElRafa ., I was talking about those fools who wrote all those so called religious books of all religions for all faith heads...

    This calling ....allah/god/whatever  as " He" the male species" is there in every faith book
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #86 - June 16, 2016, 01:44 PM
    Quote from: ElRafa on June 16, 2016, 01:24 PM
    its not really a tefsir,
    its more than that, if you read it youd see


    Do you know how many religious people, especially Muslims have told me to "just read this book" etc? Although I have boundless patience for exploring something new if I deem it worthwhile, I'm sorry that I've found such exercises in the past to be rather useless.

    What's the real takeaway from these works? Why would this particular exegesis, written in the particular time and context that it was (early 20th century Turkey) provide such an insight into a way of life that had been studied and dissected for so many hundreds of years prior?
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #87 - June 16, 2016, 01:44 PM
    Quote from: ibn Bilal on June 16, 2016, 01:28 PM
    5:64 And the Jews say, "The hand of Allah is chained." Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended


    this is nothing? why do you assume this all to be literal?
    Some muslims do, particularly atharis,  However the vast majority of scholars do not
    many also hold anthropomorphism to be kufr or even shirk, this is aqeedah 101,
    yani, i don't understand,

    all we know about Allah realistically are his names and attributes,
    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #88 - June 16, 2016, 01:46 PM
    I know. Trust me, I spent years studying the subject. I don't believe the anthropomorphism in the Qur'an needs to be taken literally. Nor do I think any parts of the book should be taken literally.
  • What type of muslim were you?
     Reply #89 - June 16, 2016, 01:49 PM
    Quote from: asbie on June 16, 2016, 01:44 PM
    Do you know how many religious people, especially Muslims have told me to "just read this book" etc? Although I have boundless patience for exploring something new if I deem it worthwhile, I'm sorry that I've found such exercises in the past to be rather useless.

    What's the real takeaway from these works? Why would this particular exegesis, written in the particular time and context that it was (early 20th century Turkey) provide such an insight into a way of life that had been studied and dissected for so many hundreds of years prior?


    i thought you were a skeptic, the whole.. i don't know it but i know its not worth my time attitude is problematic for someone who id imagine claims an insight into the world which many others dont have
    (perhaps im mistaking you for another poster, forgive me if thats the case)

     nursi was the mujaddid of the last century, one of the great islamic minds in history, read about his intellect and memory, such things you'll be pleased to know can be verified,
    also he deals with science, western philosophy and materialism in great detail in his works, he devoured libraries and possessed remarkable and unique knowledge




    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
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