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  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #60 - June 13, 2016, 04:43 PM
    Quote from: ElToro on June 13, 2016, 04:00 PM
    @Hassan: you are older and wiser than most of us. But I have the feeling that you attack and unfriend anyone who dares to speak negatively against Islam and it's followers, since you got a Muslim or agnostic Muslim again.

    There are many people on this forum who are really sick of having to deal with anti-Muslim bigotry. It's enough that we have to deal with crap from some Muslims. It's enough that we get marginalized and ostracized and effectively kicked out of Muslim spaces. We don't want bigotry in the spaces we have created and nurtured for ourselves, so we get defensive when any kind of bigotry shows its face.

    Please try to be empathetic. Bigotry is toxic because it's alienating. It takes away from us the spaces we need. Telling us we need to accept and respect bigotry is telling us we need to accept our alienation in our own spaces.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #61 - June 13, 2016, 04:52 PM
    Quote from: ElToro on June 13, 2016, 04:43 PM
    Well, at some members you might be right. Some of them have never been Muslims and just join the community because they are bigots. I understand if you don't show respect to them.

    But I don't think that this is the case with fool me once.


    As I say, I could be wrong. It won't be the first and won't be the last.

    But that post set off alarms and right or wrong I reacted. End of.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #62 - June 13, 2016, 05:08 PM
    It's just a shame but for me not surprising:

    A Turkish conservative newspaper headlines the news with:
    "Death toll rises to 50 in bar where perverted homosexuals go!"

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/679361/Orlando-shooting

    It even seems like they would celebrate the news.

    However, I must say that this newspaper is rather small and not one of the major newspapers in Turkey. But it's still ashaming.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #63 - June 13, 2016, 05:28 PM
    Quote from: Helaine on June 13, 2016, 12:14 PM
    The bible thumper guy.

    I haven't laughed so hard for a while.

    I just had to comment. Dude is 100% neck-deep in it.

    We should kill them, but not by using vigilante justice. We should kill them using proper channels.... Gee, makes everything sounds better... NOT.


    I'm afraid I don't think he's funny at all Helaine.  This guy should be charged for hate speech and unfortunately he is not the odd nutter. 
    How many gays get attacked and beaten up or worse by red-necked congregants who listen to this kind of crap?
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #64 - June 13, 2016, 05:53 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on June 13, 2016, 04:24 AM
    I`m always ready to defend progressive muslims but its increasingly difficult to defend the mainstream muslims with all the bs thats constantly coming from the community.

    Even the relatively ok mosque I`ve attended since childhood had people handing out hizb ut tahrir flyers after friday prayers a few weeks ago.

    Like fucking seriously with all the stuff going on with ISIS and your going to affiliate with a caliphate promoting organization  that is explicitly anti human rights. 

    urgh.. And the other mosque near my house is giving friday khutbahs where they talk about how its important to not send your kids to public schools where they will be corrupted by the morally bankrupt westerners and send them to islamic schools instead. Or all the islamic `scholars`` at popular mainstream sunni institutes in the U.S. and canada (al maghrib as an example) who openly talk about how apostates should be killed in islamic states.


    Like the mosques themselves do not recruit people to extremist orgs but mainstream mosques and institutes do teach a puritanical form of religion than makes young teens vulnerable to be recruited by ISIS and other orgs like it.


    I get what you're saying; I always stand up to anti-Muslim bigotry but there are so many people within the communities that make me feel really dispirited and drained, at times I feel like a broken record. That's why I have to always remind myself to focus on the people who matter (Muslim family and friends) and ignore the people who don't.

    If you're going to sit in circles and talk about how filthy, evil and wrong homosexuality is why agreeing that under a proper Caliphate such people should be put to death, don't be surprised when a mentally ill person being fed these teachings takes them literally and goes off on a rampage to kill a bunch of Gays.

    RIP to everyone who lost their life :(
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #65 - June 13, 2016, 05:59 PM
    Quote from: dagon on June 13, 2016, 01:59 PM
    Milo Yiannopoulos (Gay Brit campaigning for Trump) is in Orlando now and will have a lecture later this week. When he gets on stage it's usually more or less chaotic with feminist/leftist/blacklivesmatter, #repressiveleft, storming the stage so this could get... 'interesting'.


    Ah, a Yiannopoulos supporter, that explains it...

    Quote from: Hassan on June 13, 2016, 04:14 PM
    Actually if you read all my posts right from the very beginning of this forum you will find I'm exactly the same as I've always been.

    Very hot headed if my Spidey senses detect a hater.

    I often get it wrong, & make lots of mistakes - and I can be a real arsehole at times.

    I've ALWAYS been like that - so don't give me that shit about "since becoming an Agnostic Muslim" crap.

    But I don't give a fuck -  I am who I am - you can take it or leave it.


    True, I have said the same to whoever is running the Jinn and Tonic show now (which used to be very good but has gone downhill).

    I am uncomfortable with the way a portion of bigots are rearing their heads in our midst under the guise of being critics of religion. They are not needed.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #66 - June 13, 2016, 07:23 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on June 13, 2016, 05:59 PM
    Ah, a Yiannopoulos supporter, that explains it...

    Nope. He's with Trump and if I could vote over there I'd go with Jill Stein. (Green Party)
  • Re: Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #67 - June 14, 2016, 12:25 AM
    Quote from: puzzlelover on June 13, 2016, 05:28 PM
    I'm afraid I don't think he's funny at all Helaine.  This guy should be charged for hate speech and unfortunately he is not the odd nutter. 
    How many gays get attacked and beaten up or worse by red-necked congregants who listen to this kind of crap?


    But isn't hate speech allowed as long as you're quoting some religious verse to go along with it?

    Freedom of religion....!

    Don't know if I should laugh or cry, but that's the situation right?

    A religious man says gays should be killed - he's only quoting the scripture!
    An atheist says gays should be killed - hate speech?

    A religious man says committing gay "acts" is a sin - freedom of religion! You don't have to like my religion!
    An atheist says being openly gay (gay sex included) is wrong - hate speech?

    Isn't this where it's obvious that there is special privilege for religious people?
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #68 - June 14, 2016, 01:27 AM
    Quote from: Winterfell on June 13, 2016, 03:32 PM
    I am deeply saddened by this incident. 50 innocent lives lost just like that.

    Going through the comment section, I see a lot of Muslims shouting the flawed logic that "White shooter = troubled, Muslim shooter = terrorist". Let me debunk this here:

    Apart from only a hand full of exceptions like Breivik, most of these non Muslim mass murderers aren't motivated by any religious or political views. They are mostly just mentally ill people who managed to acquire deadly assault weapons due to USA's relaxed gun laws, and next minute their barbaric acts cost us hundreds of innocent lives. They don't do it for a personal, religious or political gains. Look at the recent murder of Christina Grimmie, or the Sandy Hook massacre, or the Colorado Cinema shooting, Port Arthur massacre here in Australia, the list just goes on. None of these low life attackers went on to publicly declare allegiance to any political or religious groups. They had nothing to gain, they were just a bunch of psychopaths. They were not trying to use terror as a means of coercion.




    You are not looking at US acts of terrorism, then. Because we have way too many Christian terrorists to ignore, and you just glossed right over them by cutting out most of our history - which is exactly what our media does with white=troubled. Also we had our anti-Christian terrorist kids, too, whom our media decided were mentally ill. Which is worse, to ignore the acts or to explain them away?
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #69 - June 14, 2016, 02:19 AM
    Quote from: three on June 14, 2016, 01:27 AM
    You are not looking at US acts of terrorism, then. Because we have way too many Christian terrorists to ignore, and you just glossed right over them by cutting out most of our history - which is exactly what our media does with white=troubled. .......................


    The problem with such counter attack against born again Christians like That Indian American Guy   Dinesh d'souza or Ali Sina or David Wood or  Francis Tanveer, of Pakistan is that  they will Quote from John

    Quote
    6. ..But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

    11 “No one, sir,” she said.

    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”


    and tell you that so-called Christians are doing/did it in-spite of Christ preaching  where as in Islam it is because  Muslims are trying their best to follow Muhammad's sayings  and  Muhammad's footsteps ., So they commit these atrocities  . such as killing of gay folks who did nothing to them  without any second thought...

    So the ball will fall in your court dear three
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #70 - June 14, 2016, 02:29 AM
    Na, my friend. There are plenty of Christians here who interpret their canon in harmful ways.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #71 - June 14, 2016, 02:32 AM
    Quote from: three on June 14, 2016, 02:29 AM
    Na, my friend. There are plenty of Christians here who interpret their canon in harmful ways.


    how three?? give me something on that John I quoted..   Cheesy  I need that badly when talk to these Christian guys over a beer..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #72 - June 14, 2016, 03:47 AM
    Quote
    But isn't hate speech allowed as long as you're quoting some religious verse to go along with it?

    Freedom of religion....!


    Well, Helaine, someone must've complained and
    Quote
    This video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on hate speech.


    on the internet at least. 

  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #73 - June 14, 2016, 08:33 AM
    We have some more information about the motives of the gunman:
    According to some witnesses he was visiting the club Pulse regularly in the last three years.
    He even used a gay dating app and chatted with some people.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-20160613-snap-story.html

    The possibility is quite high that the gunman was gay himself. But he couldn't live it, because of his religion and of his conservative father. 
    He maybe hated himself for being gay.
    And he hated other people, who could live their life openly.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #74 - June 14, 2016, 08:54 AM
    ^Yes, I think so too.. after watching him on the news briefly yesterday, i think he is gay..
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #75 - June 14, 2016, 08:57 AM
    I read somewhere else that he was using steroids, (sorry, can't remember where).  So it seems to be a mixture of roid rage, repressed homosexuality and religious extremism.    Such a pity that he was ever allowed to buy a gun.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #76 - June 14, 2016, 09:22 AM
    Quote
    Quote from: suki on June 14, 2016, 08:54 AM
    ^Yes, I think so too.. after watching him on the news briefly yesterday, i think he is gay..

    Quote from: Cheetah on June 14, 2016, 08:57 AM
    I read somewhere else that he was using steroids, (sorry, can't remember where).  So it seems to be a mixture of roid rage, repressed homosexuality and religious extremism.    Such a pity that he was ever allowed to buy a gun.


     he married twice to  Muslim women and has a child., Even if he was gay /bi/tri and penta sexual., what reason does this brute has to kill 50 unarmed harmless folks?

    Off course he was mentally sick...  Anyone who  joins that radical Islam or any other radical unquestionable faith  AND ANYONE WHO DOES NOT ALLOW THEIR FAITH TO BE QUESTIONED  are Mentally sick


    without doubt it is this bloody faith that made him to do that.. BURN ALL THOSE VERSES AND STOP PREACHING THE SHIT IN MOSQUES..  and and tell the faith heads of all religions these some 2000 year old silly books that were written by cave dwellers   are not word of god voodoo doll,,
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #77 - June 14, 2016, 09:53 AM
    Quote from: ElToro on June 14, 2016, 08:33 AM
    We have some more information about the motives of the gunman:
    According to some witnesses he was visiting the club Pulse regularly in the last three years.
    He even used a gay dating app and chatted with some people.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-20160613-snap-story.html

    The possibility is quite high that the gunman was gay himself. But he couldn't live it, because of his religion and of his conservative father. 
    He maybe hated himself for being gay.
    And he hated other people, who could live their life openly.



    Seddique Mateen said he was saddened by his son's actions. But he added: "In this month of Ramadan, the gay and lesbian issue is something that God will punish," though "the servants of God shouldn't have anything to do with it."
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #78 - June 14, 2016, 09:55 AM
    Quote
    Quote from: fool me once on June 12, 2016, 04:33 PM
    I wonder how eager "peaceful" muslims will be to denounce these shootings?

    Quote from: fool me once on June 13, 2016, 01:14 PM
    .........Went to iftar last night. The kutbah was all about how muslims should react to backlash from this incident. The imam explicitly refused to either condemn or condone the shooting. ..........

     
    Quote from: fool me once on June 13, 2016, 01:47 PM
    Yeez... I learned that muslims ....................



    hello fool me once ., funny i didn't read you in the forum and reason could be you only wrote 15 posts .. 5 of them are in this folder..

    how are you doing?   so tell me more about your visits to mosques ...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #79 - June 14, 2016, 01:49 PM
    Gunman Omar Mateen Described as Belligerent, Racist and 'Toxic'  says News from AMRIKA.


    Noor Mateen and husband Omar Mateen are seen in a Facebook profile photo. via Facebook

    Quote
    Quote
    A few key revelations about his past came to light hours after the 29-year-old was identified as the shooter who took hostages at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando early Sunday.

    He was subsequently killed by a SWAT team.

    An ex-co-worker told NBC News that Mateen was racist, belligerent and "toxic."  His father told NBC News his son was enraged after recently seeing a same-sex couple kissing in front of his family, an event that could have set him off.

    In 2013, Mateen was interviewed twice by federal agents after co-workers reported that he made "inflammatory" comments to them about radical Islamic propaganda.

    The following year, the FBI looked at him again because of ties with an American who traveled to the Middle East to become a suicide bomber.
    Law enforcement sources told NBC News he swore allegiance to the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, in a 911 call moments before the rampage at Pulse.

    There's no indication that Mateen was in touch with terrorists overseas or that the attack was directed by someone else, a law enforcement officials told NBC News. Nor is there evidence that anyone helped or encouraged him, several officials said.  Investigators are looking into whether religious extremism motivated the attack.

    well that is what news says..  and here is his first wife..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4JNk2FKuY
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #80 - June 14, 2016, 02:05 PM
    Orlando shooter traveled to Saudi Arabia in 2011, 2012 -MSNBC

     
    Quote
    Orlando gay nightclub   shooter Omar Mateen made two trips to Saudi Arabia in 2011 and 2012, MSNBC reported on Monday, citing federal officials.

    MSNBC said the officials did not know what Mateen was doing in Saudi Arabia or whether he met with anyone while there.


    Well  Iam not sure how correct that news is as it comes from J-walkers..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #81 - June 14, 2016, 02:05 PM
    I wonder if his father found out about about his visits to the gay club and they had a confrontation in Ramadan that put him over the edge.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #82 - June 14, 2016, 02:09 PM
    The father seemed to have some weird pretensions to presidency of Afghanistan and ordered the arrest of Karzai and supportive of Taliban. He made YouTube vids and issued decrees etc...

    How would he feel if he found out his son was gay and how that would affect him - and his ambitions?

    Just trying to imagine what might have pushed an already conicted, violent and unstable man over the edge.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #83 - June 14, 2016, 02:12 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 14, 2016, 02:05 PM
    I wonder if his father..........


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMg9PsX6EQ0

    i squarely blame the fool i see above..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tj2Z3w_7b8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eG531Vae2c

    the fellow alleged father ..himself is part of the problem..  A serious problem..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #84 - June 14, 2016, 02:13 PM
    Is it too far fetched to wonder whether his father even encouraged him after discovering he was gay? A way (in his mind) of cleansing his son's "sin" and looking good in the eyes of his conservative/hard-line supporters at the same time?
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #85 - June 14, 2016, 02:17 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 14, 2016, 02:13 PM
    Is it too far fetched to wonder whether his father even encouraged him...

    he may not have encouraged this massacre .,   THAT BLAME SURELY GOES TO ISLAM  AND ITS  PREACHERS  that preach fucking  hadith.. So called words of Prophet of Islam., Most of these Islamic preaching IDIOTS don't know that there was NO Muhammad of Quran.

     but that fellow  the father must take the blame because he did not take care of this guy when he was kid..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFdSeBIXlX4
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #86 - June 14, 2016, 02:20 PM
    So he's a confirmed gay man...

    I feel sorry for him :| I heard growing up as gays in religious household can be very stressful and lonely.
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #87 - June 14, 2016, 02:24 PM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0De7zyP7Vxw

    No...no..nooooooooooo  Mr.President of America.,   DO NOT BLAME INTERNET ISLAM PREACHING IDIOTS ..

    they preach it because it is there in hadith and it is there in OLD TESTAMENT ., that is where  from  it comes into Islam..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBAUYUlAps

    apparently that guy saw and heard when that brute was shooting..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #88 - June 14, 2016, 02:29 PM
    Quote from: Helaine on June 14, 2016, 02:20 PM
    So he's a confirmed gay man...

    I feel sorry for him :| I heard growing up as gays in religious household can be very stressful and lonely.

    well if it is Islamic religious house hold   .........  better run away.........far away from so-called home



    read the story of that guy from London  Doctor Nazim Mahmood, 34
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Fifty dead at Florida gay club in America's worst mass shooting says news
     Reply #89 - June 14, 2016, 06:31 PM
    Quote from: Winterfell on June 13, 2016, 03:32 PM
    I am deeply saddened by this incident. 50 innocent lives lost just like that.

    Going through the comment section, I see a lot of Muslims shouting the flawed logic that "White shooter = troubled, Muslim shooter = terrorist". Let me debunk this here:

    Apart from only a hand full of exceptions like Breivik, most of these non Muslim mass murderers aren't motivated by any religious or political views. They are mostly just mentally ill people who managed to acquire deadly assault weapons due to USA's relaxed gun laws, and next minute their barbaric acts cost us hundreds of innocent lives. They don't do it for a personal, religious or political gains. Look at the recent murder of Christina Grimmie, or the Sandy Hook massacre, or the Colorado Cinema shooting, Port Arthur massacre here in Australia, the list just goes on. None of these low life attackers went on to publicly declare allegiance to any political or religious groups. They had nothing to gain, they were just a bunch of psychopaths. They were not trying to use terror as a means of coercion.

    But when we look at Muslim terrorist attacks like the one at the Orlando bar, or at the Boston marathon, 7-7, Fort Hood shooting and numerous other incidents, every time we saw the Muslims attackers pledge allegiance to either Al Qaida or ISIS, or some other Islamist organisation. They committed an act of violence in order to send a message, in order to intimidate. That's why most of the shootings committed by Muslims are rightfully labelled an act of terrorism (if they have openly declared their reason behind committing the attacks as Islam). We can and should hold Islam responsible.

    Now I am not saying other religions don't have fanatics who commits terrorism- they do. But most certainly not anywhere near the scale of the ones by Muslims. Again, I hate saying this multiple times-

    most Muslims (99.99%)-> not a problem. Most of my friends whom I grew up with are still devout Muslims. And some of them are the best people I have ever met. But that is despite Islam, not because of it.

    Islam -> colossal problem.


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