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  • Why I hate my hijab
     OP - June 22, 2016, 05:30 PM

    As a closet ex muslim girl who has no choice but to wear a hijab and abaya or skirt, I have come to a point where I have started to hate wearing a hijab.

    The hijab is a hotly debated topic, and also a sensitive one due to the multitude of different philosophies given by religious people behind why women should wear it. Here is what I think after sixteen years of being a muslim and nearly fourteen years of wearing the hijab:

    First of all, hijab isn't a choice. It's a requirement. Islam does not give you the choice to wear a hijab, it tells you that you must do it. There is no hadith saying "ladies, whenever you're ready". Nope. Women who claim that they had the choice of wearing a hijab had the luxury advantage of living in a country where non muslim laws give them the choice.

    In most Muslim communities (especially in Islamic countries) it is generally expected that a girl will wear the hijab without complaining about it.

    Narrated Umar: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Good and bad persons enter upon you, so I suggest that you order the mothers of the Believers (i.e. your wives) to observe veils." Then Allah revealed the Verses of Al-HIJAB.  (Book :60, Hadith :313).

    Aisha said, "Asma, daughter of Abu Bakr (that is, Aisha’s sister), entered upon the Apostle of God (pbuh) wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of God turned his attention from her and said, "O Asma, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her except that she displays parts of her body except this and this," and he pointed to her face and hands. (Sunan Abi Dawud)



    The idea behind the hijab is to prevent relationships between men and women that are deemed haram. It is to suppress the woman's beauty so that she does not become an object of desire for men.

    O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should draw over themselves their jilbab (outer garments) (when in public); this will be more conducive to their being recognized (as decent women) and not harassed. But God is indeed oft-forgiving, most merciful. (33:59)

    Here we learn two things:

    - Unveiled women are not 'decent'

    - The veil protects women from harassment

    And know that women advanced in years, who no longer feel any sexual desire incur no sin if they discard their thiyab (outer garments), provided they do not aim at a showy display of their zeenah (charms or beauty). But it is better for them to abstain (from this); and God is all-hearing, all-knowing. (24:60)


    From this we learn that:

    - Older women who are no longer considered 'beautiful' are allowed to wear less covering than young women because they'll attract less attention.

    - Younger women are required to cover more, because their beauty is more attention grabbing for men. In other words, women are responsible for making sure that men are not tempted by their beauty.



    The hijab is a covering that is meant to stop men from sinning, and to insure 'decency' and 'modesty'. I see this as a way of blaming women for the lust of men. Why are we responsible for making sure that the guys do not ogle us on the street? And an even better question: what is wrong with lust anyways?

    What harm is there in a man looking at an attractive woman? That she's being objectified? Most men can still talk to the same woman they are staring at and treat her as a human and not an object. Women will not be objectified if men do not objectify them. Lust does not equal objectification. The idea that just because a man is attracted to you that he'll treat you like an object is ridiculous.

    I also find the objectification argument quite ironic, considering one of the most common explanations of the hijab by Muslim clerics:

     A woman is like a candy/diamond/pearl/insert another valuable object here. And therefore she must be covered or she'll be ruined and dirty.

    Women who do not wear hijab are not dirty. They are not indecent. I don't care if she's a stripper. You who argue that hijab protects you from being objectified, do not be a hypocrite and objectify women who do not wear the hijab. Women are humans, and deserve to be treated as such, and not on the basis of what we are wearing. I don't care if I'm naked, if you are a normal human being, you should be capable of treating me the way you'd want to be treated.

    The hijab not only makes women responsible for the lust of men, it in and of itself is objectifying. If a woman does not wear a hijab, she will be objectified, because she's a woman. Women's bodies are naturally an object of sexual desire, and so there's no choice but to cover it. That's what the philosophy behind the hijab implies. No we cannot deal with the men who are guilty of objectifying women instead of making women wear the hijab, because it's natural for them to do that.

    This has caused me to despise wearing the hijab. Not only because I hate what it stands for, but because I have no choice but to wear it. I cannot just walk into my house or community and say "I'm taking my hijab off" without being treated differently. I'd be ignored, lectured, there'd be rumours, people will not respect my personal decision and they will be relentless on talking me out of it, my family might disown me or at least be in a complete fit of rage. The hijab is not a garment, it is a symbol, and that's why removing it is so difficult. That's also why I'm so eager to throw it off. I do not want to represent an ideology that disrespects me as a female.


    Thanks for reading my little rant. I'm sorry if there are a few grammatical errors, this was rather spontaneous and I'm really stressed out and tense right now.  bunny bunny bunny thnkyu
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #1 - June 22, 2016, 10:42 PM

    A well-written post, reasonable and quite right. I also believe that women should not be considered indecent if their dress does not conform to traditional islamic attire, especially as understood by that culture (allowing for considerable variation across the islamic world). However there may be more at work in muslim-majority countries. The accumulation of millennia of patriarchal customs and other influences would tend to reinforce notions of dress and behaviour for women. I'm not entirely sure how such deep-seated attitudes can be undone. I would hope that these societies would liberalise, but obviously that may take a great deal of time, perhaps generations.
    As a man, I can not imagine how you must feel to have that kind of familial and peer pressure upon you. I am pleased that you question such things, far too many are crushed by the weight of it. I would hope that you find ways to express your rebellion that does not draw unwanted attention from others. Your safety is of paramount importance. At the risk of sounding redundant, there are crazy people out there. Naturally, we're all here to help, even if you just need someone to listen. Stay safe.
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #2 - June 23, 2016, 12:43 AM

    The candy analogy has always pissed me off greatly. And guess what? Muslims don't get why you would be pissed off by comparing women to candy...OBJECTIFICATION DUH! Isn't that the whole point of covering up? In this case they've already been objectified by the clergy. Ridiculous.

    And one thing they won't tell you ever is the fetishisation of the hijab. Yes the hijab itself has become a fashion accessory and it's also a sort of lingerie. Which is fine btw, but then when you enjoy the prospect of the hijab being a sexual device it no longer becomes a modesty one. But of course that is something that is not going to be talked about.

    If anything covering up makes a woman more desirable as it's forbidden and hidden. And we all want to know what's beneath the veil.

  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #3 - June 23, 2016, 07:26 AM

    https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/46273049.jpg

    In our family women are technically supposed to get permission from the man of the house before leaving... My parents say they are quite lenient for not enforcing that rule.
    Am I wrong to assume Allah/muhammed commands this or is this just my parents?

    Either way, traditional gender roles are such a key point of Islamic identity that wearing hijab is just expected in my community, along with speaking quietly around men and well.... practically zero mixing with the opposite gender at all really.  lipsrsealed

    When I look back at Saudi Arabian society I wonder at the consequences of forced hijab. It can't be pleasant for the men either. The only bare bodies they see are children and other men. Oh and apparently Saudis are one of the biggest porn consumers... surprise... surprise...  bunny

    Interesting point about the fetishisation of hijab... The headscarf does represent virginity in a lot of cultures and virgins are pretty grossly hypersexualised in scripture.
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #4 - June 23, 2016, 08:23 AM

    The candy analogy has always pissed me off greatly. And guess what? Muslims don't get why you would be pissed off by comparing women to candy...OBJECTIFICATION DUH! Isn't that the whole point of covering up? In this case they've already been objectified by the clergy. Ridiculous.

    And one thing they won't tell you ever is the fetishisation of the hijab. Yes the hijab itself has become a fashion accessory and it's also a sort of lingerie. Which is fine btw, but then when you enjoy the prospect of the hijab being a sexual device it no longer becomes a modesty one. But of course that is something that is not going to be talked about.

    If anything covering up makes a woman more desirable as it's forbidden and hidden. And we all want to know what's beneath the veil.


    Hsnake you're absolutely right. And you're braver than me, even here, to bring up the subject of hijab as a sexual garment. Fetish is a good word for it and you're bang on with the desire of the unknown. It's led to some interesting and completely open conversations, between me and my wife.
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #5 - June 23, 2016, 10:49 AM

    As far as I get it, the present wide spread use of hijab is a pretty recent idea, that got a boost from the Iranian revolution and the oil money spread by Middle Eastern salafi regimes.

    They made it a very clear religio-political statement to wear the hijab and similar.
    (And it still is IMHO)



    There is a pretty interesting text here:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #6 - June 23, 2016, 06:40 PM

    I thought it wasn't actually the scarf itself mentioned in the Quran, just to dress modestly?

    Also, at least in Algeria, it doesn't matter what you wear or don't wear, the douchebags on the street are gonna holler at you anyways. It will be "wech mami" whether you're wearing a burkha or bikini.

    I've always held the opinion that if men do not have to wear such a thing, I will not do it either. Beard or the thing Saudi men wear doesn't cut it for me.


    The funny thing is that the hijab does not protect you from perverts. Perverts will be perverts no matter what you wear, thinking that a cloth will stop them from touching you is naive at best.

    The quran touches on the hijab and modesty, the actual description for the hijab is in the hadith. Wouldn't it be funny if we could make men wear a hijab in the summer heat for just one day  Cheesy
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #7 - June 23, 2016, 07:01 PM

    The funny thing is that the hijab does not protect you from perverts. Perverts will be perverts no matter what you wear, thinking that a cloth will stop them from touching you is naive at best.

    The quran touches on the hijab and modesty, the actual description for the hijab is in the hadith. Wouldn't it be funny if we could make men wear a hijab in the summer heat for just one day  Cheesy


    Yeah I've always wondered about the heat. Like seriously it must be so intense, especially during fasting! And they're usually always black which must make it worse in the heat; at least they look like ninjas lol.
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #8 - June 23, 2016, 07:25 PM

    I thought it wasn't actually the scarf itself mentioned in the Quran, just to dress modestly?

     
    This is what I was told when having a conversation with a sheikh, years ago. The hijab itself he said, isn't explicitly prescribed. Rather, what's to be covered, is prescribed clearly, with exception of the feet (as an aside, he was a mufti of the hanafi fiqh).

    I asked about women who cover with a long scarf, but have an exposed ponytail half way down their back. He went on to say that, the hijab as we know it, in its various forms, is a convenient way of covering a woman's aurat, but in his opinion (and he's a mufti, so he's allowed to have an opinion  Roll Eyes ), the hadeeth quoted above that refers to Asma's and hands, is actually only talking about the skin. Whilst (in his opinion) the hair isn't part of a woman's aurat, how can you cover the neck, shoulders and chest, without covering the hair with the same piece of cloth?

    And that concludes his justification for the hijab.

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    Also, at least in Algeria, it doesn't matter what you wear or don't wear, the douchebags on the street are gonna holler at you anyways. It will be "wech mami" whether you're wearing a burkha or bikini.

     
    My wife won't cover her face as a general rule. We're in the UK but she comes from a country where large, opaque, Turkish style hijabs are the norm, or at least were when she was growing up. She won't buy hijab from most shops there now, as they're all too small for her to feel comfortable, and transparent which to her, defeats the object.

    However, in certain (perhaps parts of) some countries, she'd use anything available to cover as much skin as possible so she felt comfortable and confident in public.

    My wife takes her aurat very seriously, as you can see. Alas, it would seem I, in my near apostate state, am wasted on her! Cheesy

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    I've always held the opinion that if men do not have to wear such a thing, I will not do it either. Beard or the thing Saudi men wear doesn't cut it for me.

     
    Grin
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #9 - June 23, 2016, 07:34 PM

    And she only wears abayas in public now, too. When we met, and until only a couple of years ago, she mainly wore fairly plain, modest western clothing.

    Yes. I'm wasted on her. She needs a good, Muslim husband  :(

    I'll stop here or I'll be guilty of thread hijack. I feel a rather long post is on the way, in the blogs and bios section.
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #10 - June 23, 2016, 07:35 PM

    All of you guys who don't like hijab and show off your beautiful hair  go watch this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlGqJrqN_28

    and and go  and live in Indonesia .. finmad finmad

    and THAT IS FROM BBC The Hijab in Indonesia - BBC News - 10th June 2016

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #11 - June 24, 2016, 05:38 PM

    I thought it wasn't actually the scarf itself mentioned in the Quran, just to dress modestly?

    Also, at least in Algeria, it doesn't matter what you wear or don't wear, the douchebags on the street are gonna holler at you anyways. It will be "wech mami" whether you're wearing a burkha or bikini.

    I've always held the opinion that if men do not have to wear such a thing, I will not do it either. Beard or the thing Saudi men wear doesn't cut it for me.


    It's the same in Morocco, doesn't matter if you are covered or not.  My aunty was fully covered on a bus in Morocco, and some man still jizzed over the back of her Jilab.   wacko

    Rape still happens in countries where women have to cover themselves, so clearly covered or not makes no difference.

    Honestly I am the same as you, why should I cover whilst a man can be free on a level I can't. 

    Plus, the heat was so intense, I actually couldn't bear to leave my house during the summer months.  Why should I suffer like that, when men could just as easily be socialised to not look at women as if they were objects to blame for their own sexual urges. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Why I hate my hijab
     Reply #12 - June 29, 2016, 04:08 AM

    Have you seen these?

    Stepping Out of Hijab

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=24495.0

    100 reasons why I don't wear a hijab

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=16771.0

    Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=16461.0

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     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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