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OP - July 14, 2016, 05:28 PM

What kind of practices occur in muslims that they think is good but actually harmful to themselves or society etc..

I will start with fasting, they think it makes them humble but they are destroying themselves not drinking water, plus you could become compassionate by just opening a soup kitchen and speaking to the homeless

As a scientist I can see farther than any human before me by standing on the shoulders of giants (previous scientists); As a religious follower I can not see what is right in-front of me, even when others INDEPENDENTLY see the same thing!
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Reply #1 - July 14, 2016, 05:50 PM

The constant OCD of little rituals and incantations for everything?

The constant focus on halal/haram?

Wearing deeply impractical clothing and feeling holy about it?

All three making you socially handicapped in a modern society.
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Reply #2 - July 14, 2016, 06:06 PM

Taking wudu 5 times a day frequently led to dry and broken skin, for me. I know there's tayamum but ~~it's not~~ it wasn't as effective as water for a psychological preparation for prayer.
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Reply #3 - July 14, 2016, 06:08 PM

On wudu, it can't be healthy to force yourself to keep wudu whilst sat listening to the khutba on a Friday. Or if you're waiting for the next prayer time and really would rather not do it all over again!
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Reply #4 - July 15, 2016, 07:21 AM

Quote from: jrg on July 14, 2016, 06:06 PM
Taking wudu 5 times a day....

I read up on that.
I was aware that there was some ritual washing involved, but I was unaware of the level of OCD in it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wudu
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Reply #5 - July 15, 2016, 01:26 PM

What your coworkers think.

Ramadan. My coworker was complaining that she was so tired from Ramadan. She had to cook more, stay up late with her husband's guests, get up early and cook again. The constant complaining all day about being tired, thirsty, hungry. The she asks me to do her work for her. I said sure WHEN YOU GIVE ME YOUR PAY CHECK.

Fasting and lack of sleep makes a person lose concentration which can be dangerous in some jobs. It makes for more errors, less productivity. And it makes the breath stink! This coworker told me she was not allowed to use toothpaste or mouthwash during Ramadan. Even when we would offer a ride to the shopping mall during lunch break she would hold everyone up having do her washing and praying before (just would disappear for 15-20 mins with no explanation). Then she would complain about the mall bakery smelled too delicious and should be banned from operating during ramadan. Even if her feet did not stink because she washed them five times per day the shared washroom was always wet with water and a slipping hazard. Mops are available but usually any complaint was mopped up with ALL the paper hand towels allotted for the day. If you wanted to be kind she would complain you would phone the number and find out when the sunset was going to be and remind me that I only had to wait a few more hours. For other religions, people take off a day or two and that is no burden.

At first wheh she was complaing about being so hungry I thought she forgot her lunch or was short on cash. I never knew she was a muslim. I bought her a juice. When I put it down in front of her she called me Satan and ran out of the room. We all thought it as some mental health crisis. Of course she complaned to HR that I was harassing her because of her religion.

Oh did I mention the increase in car collisions during ramadan. What about people driving their children to and from school? If ramadan makes people impaired drivers why are they doing it?

Wow, was that a rant or what?

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Reply #6 - July 15, 2016, 02:17 PM

Quote from: Bee on July 15, 2016, 01:26 PM
What your coworkers think.

Ramadan. My coworker was complaining that she was so tired from Ramadan. She had to cook more, stay up late with her husband's guests, get up early and cook again. The constant complaining all day about being tired, thirsty, hungry. The she asks me to do her work for her. I said sure WHEN YOU GIVE ME YOUR PAY CHECK.

hello Bee... how are you doing? I haven't read many of your posts so greetings., well if you give a bit of hand to your co-worker and if you have a time... HELPING DOESN'T HURT YOU.. does it?
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............And it makes the breath stink! This coworker told me she was not allowed to use toothpaste or mouthwash during Ramadan......... Even when we would offer a ride to the shopping mall during lunch break she would hold everyone up having do her washing and praying before (just would disappear for 15-20 mins with no explanation). Then she would complain about the mall bakery smelled too delicious and should be banned from operating during ramadan.........

May be she was hungry and went to eat few biscuits in bakery., so next time or next year please don't ask her for explanation on where she went...

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Even if her feet did not stink because she washed them five times per day the shared washroom was always wet with water and a slipping hazard. Mops are available but usually any complaint was mopped up with ALL the paper hand towels allotted for the day.

that is ok to wash..nnnand it is good to wash feet and socks before they started stinking ..
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If you wanted to be kind she would complain you would phone the number and find out when the sunset was going to be and remind me that I only had to wait a few more hours. For other religions, people take off a day or two and that is no burden.

oh common.....

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At first wheh she was complaing about being so hungry I thought she forgot her lunch or was short on cash. I never knew she was a muslim. I bought her a juice. When I put it down in front of her she called me Satan and ran out of the room. We all thought it as some mental health crisis. Of course she complained to HR that I was harassing her because of her religion.

that was very stupid of her to say that to you ., specially wen you didn't know that she was a Muslim., Even if you knew that she was Muslim she should have not done that .. But be good to her may be she is stressed out from all directions..

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Oh did I mention the increase in car collisions during ramadan. What about people driving their children to and from school? If ramadan makes people impaired drivers why are they doing it?

where did you get that from any statistics on that?

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Wow, was that a rant or what?

well ranting is good and being good to your worker will make you feel better . And I am sure Allah will bless you ..

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Reply #7 - July 15, 2016, 04:10 PM

These people just omg
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Reply #8 - July 15, 2016, 07:47 PM

It was just her. Other muslim people I know are just lovely.

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Reply #9 - July 15, 2016, 07:56 PM

Quote from: Bee on July 15, 2016, 07:47 PM
It was just her. Other muslim people I know are just lovely.

next time when she acts like that spank her...

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Reply #10 - July 15, 2016, 08:18 PM

Osteoporosis risk for hijab/abaya/burkha wearers:

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In spite of the Middle East being one of the sunniest regions worldwide, the report found that the prevalence of hypovitaminosis D there was among the highest in the world, reaching 80% in adolescent girls in Saudi Arabia.

El-Zorkany suggests this is due to cultural norms, with many women wearing veils and face veils, decreasing their exposure to sunlight — which is essential for vitamin D formation inside the body.

http://www.natureasia.com/en/nmiddleeast/article/10.1038/nmiddleeast.2011.158
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Reply #11 - July 15, 2016, 11:33 PM

I heard the vit D deficiency a lot.... But I'm skeptical about it. Seems like overblown hype to me.
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Reply #12 - July 16, 2016, 09:23 AM

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Vitamin D

Vitamin D has several important functions. For example, it helps to regulate the amount of calcium and phosphate in the body.

These nutrients are needed to keep bones and teeth healthy.

A lack of vitamin D can lead to bone deformities such as rickets in children, and bone pain and tenderness as a result of a condition called osteomalacia in adults.

Good sources of vitamin D

We get most of our vitamin D from sunlight on our skin. The vitamin is made by our body under the skin, in reaction to summer sunlight. However, if you are out in the sun, take care to cover up or protect your skin with sunscreen before you turn red or get burnt.

Read more about how to get vitamin D from sunlight.

Vitamin D is also found in a small number of foods. Good food sources are:

oily fish – such as salmon, sardines and mackerel
eggs
fortified fat spreads
fortified breakfast cereals
some powdered milks

In the UK, cows’ milk is generally not a good source of vitamin D because it isn't fortified, as it is in other countries.

Based on this, from the NHS website, how can people (women, in this context) who cover everything (often including face, hands and feet), receive enough sunlight on their skin? Ok, there are other food sources, but how healthily does your average Muslim household eat? So much ghee, oil, fat, salt, etc. Of course I'm generalising, but you've got to go out of your way to eat enough of the right food to get sufficient vitamin D.
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Reply #13 - July 16, 2016, 09:25 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on July 15, 2016, 07:56 PM
next time when she acts like that spank her...
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Reply #14 - July 17, 2016, 03:39 PM

At my old job I knew a girl who wore the headscarf and was rather religious. One time she was with me when I was buying lunch and as I had my purse in my hand and was paying for my stuff, she told me that I should handle money with my other hand (?!) I'm left handed, so it feel natural for me to hold my purse in my left hand and take money out of it with my right hand. She said Islamically this is wrong. It doesn't make sense though, because isn't the left hand the "evil" hand?? Lol. So why would she tell me to handle money with the left?!

Another girl told me that all nail-trimming should be done right to left (or is that left to right...)

Another girl told me I should always step off an escalator right foot first.

Conclusion: what a bunch of nutters.

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Reply #15 - July 17, 2016, 04:02 PM

Face covering is a hinderance to communication. Facial expressions and body language are a large part of nonverbal communication. But even for verbal communication a scarf or piece of cloth covering the mouth muffles the sound.

If I were to visit a place of business or government and have a woman come to the counter to serve me and she was wearing a face covering, I would have to ask for someome else to serve me. I have a disability for communcation and I need to see a person's face to understand them better. I have never seen a face covering person in a job serving the public so a face covering is going to almost completely remove most employment opportunities for that person. Even communication between coworkers would be hindered if there was no contact with the public.

Nonverbal communication and body language is not limited to women communicating to men that they want sex. So why are women treated as if that is the only reason they would want to communicate in public?

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Reply #16 - July 18, 2016, 03:34 AM

Quote from: Helaine on July 15, 2016, 11:33 PM
I heard the vit D deficiency a lot.... But I'm skeptical about it. Seems like overblown hype to me.

It really matters, I am in university and in my biochem classes we learn the importance of Vitamin D, really basic (minimal Vitamin D, and you can consume all the calcium you want but your bones will not be able to retain any calcium so your bones become brittle).

Think of Vitamin D as a passport to let calcium get to your bones. And it is VERY important, in North America the biggest supplement prescribed to patients by doctors are Vitamin D supplements.

No Vitamin D and your bones become brittle very fast and your children develop rickets (they did nothing to deserve that).

Also a study showed in the Middle East, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of women are at an incredibly high risk for osteoporosis. It is a very serious concern if you don't mind very long recoveries from fractures and don't mind increasing the need to get metal plates to help heal a fracture.

Oh and if you are female post menopause and you have been covering up, your bones especially are so brittle, turning over in bed can cause you to fracture your ribs (post menopause because estrogen helps prevent it from getting that severe but after menopause you do not have that to keep you safe, and male testosterone is good at preventing that)

As a scientist I can see farther than any human before me by standing on the shoulders of giants (previous scientists); As a religious follower I can not see what is right in-front of me, even when others INDEPENDENTLY see the same thing!
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Reply #17 - July 18, 2016, 02:31 PM

Always being afraid of going to hell. Those angels with the books recording everything. That is a kind of paranoia. People teach this to childen.

Then all the childrens songs and poems about the glories of matryrdom. The smoke of the martyrs burning flesh as incense to Allah's nostrils.

Which country do people buy their children goats and let them keep them as pets, naming them and feeding them for months and then getting the kids to help sacrifice them or watch? This is supposed to teach them about the sacrifice of Abaham. Really, it is sick.

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Reply #18 - July 18, 2016, 03:57 PM

Quote from: afghan hassan on July 18, 2016, 03:34 AM
It really matters....

Also, restrictive clothing, which is being imposed at an earlier and earlier age on girls, is a hindrance to physical activity which is important for bone development and overall health.
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Reply #19 - July 18, 2016, 11:15 PM

Not being allowed to pray, go inside the mosque or touch the Quran when a woman is on her period. This basically teaches that being a woman is impure, unclean and deficient unlike men.
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