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  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #30 - August 16, 2016, 03:38 PM

    Yes, but we don't know if only police was involved in this. I'm very curious to know if(given her appearance) some people have called to 911.


    Although I have no evidence I think it is safe to say that people that called 9/11 were stereotyping. Humans stereotype all the time. I see no reason that this case is different
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #31 - August 16, 2016, 06:35 PM

    These are the questions:
    Do you think if it was a non muslim wearing a simple mask with no religious significance, it would have been even the slightest problem to take her/his mask off? Don't you think the officers should see the suspects face? Do you think special rules have to be made when arresting people wearing a mask which is a religious symbol as well?


    and please  read the other case from US of A.. that a Hispanic guy   takes a gun and kills a Mosque Imam in a cold blood  because he hates Muslims and apparently he  had that problem since that 9/11 tragedy ..otherwise he was a not a criminal or a bad guy


    Are you trying to suggest that anti Muslims bigotry exists and I was not aware of it or what?
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #32 - August 16, 2016, 06:45 PM

    The questions you ask are valid and of course there should be no exceptions etc....

    But, until we get the full picture of what happened BEFORE the incident we can agree that tackling any individual in such a manner esp. a suspected suicide bomber is foolish.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #33 - August 16, 2016, 06:58 PM

    Kulis said the police incident report included information that somebody indicated she was a "lone wolf suicide bomber".


    This is what I wanted to know. People called police, it wasn't some officer who decide himself that she's a terrorist.

    Not surprised at all, I've seen myself how people react in such cases.
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #34 - August 16, 2016, 07:13 PM

    This young lady will have her day in court as is her right.  I get it that the experience was extremely unpleasant, but  I feel CAIR and her lawyer are overplaying the Islamophobia card.  

    It is important to look at

    1. whether the officers acted in good faith by tackling her during the 4th July holiday period, a day that ISIL etc would love to hit the U.S.      
    Quote
    In an age of lone-wolf attackers, it is even rarer to be able to intercept any communication that would tell law enforcement who -- of the thousands of people who toy with ISIS online -- is going to attack and when.
    And so the United States, like other countries, is left with a bit of a dilemma: the government has to try to prepare the public for potential terror threats that are inherently random.
    What isn't random, however, are days that matter to the United States -- anniversaries of other terror attacks, national and religious holidays, and large gatherings such as the Super Bowl. Those we can control. And we have to, because the impact of terror strikes on those days -- whether a large or small attack -- will be much greater psychologically, because the public views those days as more meaningful than days that are normal.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/06/opinions/kayyem-terror-threats/

    2. Could they ignore the possibility that this woman carried some explosive?
    Quote
    A police report filed the night of the incident says officers had been "on high alert of terrorist activity" on the Fourth of July holiday when they spotted Al-Matar exhibiting what they believed was "suspicious behavior," including walking at "a brisk pace, in a determined manner." It also says officers saw what they thought could be "incendiary devices" around her ankles and were also suspicious of her backpack, which was clutched to her chest.
    "(Officers) believed that subject might be a lone wolf suicide bomber and decided to attempt to take subject into custody," it says.

     http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-woman-mistaken-for-terrorist-itemid-al-mata-sues-chicago-police/
    It turned out she was wearing ankle weights.

    3. Did the officers follow proper procedure while taking her in custody?
    Her lawyer says
    Quote
    "If they felt that there was some concern, the initial approach would be like every one of us on the street: 'Excuse me, sir, excuse me, ma'am, can I just ask you a question — what's your name and where are you going?'"

     Huh? As if they were approaching a person suspected of shoplifting instead of one possibly carrying explosives.

    4. Was proper procedure followed during the time she was held in custody.  This is the really unpleasant part of her experience.  Detainees are subjected to intrusive searches, etc even for an overnight stay. There have been many cases filed in this regard, so while she may have grounds, this is a systemic problem and she has a lot of company.

    JMO.  Of course the judge will hear more evidence than available to us.
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #35 - August 16, 2016, 07:42 PM

    what  .. THAT IS SILLY AND STUPID...some people call police on you and police do exactly the same way to your wife or other women folks in your family..what is your response dear nbhb?

    if some one calls  911 on some one and police in US of A behave like that?  that too to a person who don't know how to speak English??

    In fact a similar case happened to a Indian guy which I did add in to the forum..  here is the news link on that  from  US OF A mouth..

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/12/us/alabama-police-beating/

    please read that case carefully dear nbhb...


    Any person should let police do their job and collaborate with the police. She reacted emotionally because she knew she was innocent and because they took her niqab off, so men were seeing her face, thing she didn't want.

    I really understand her frustration, I feel for her, but the fault for what happened to her is not where she think it is or where CAIR is telling her it is. The problem is not the people who saw her as a terrorist and reported her, it is not the police, it is not the USA/West. It is her religion, she is the victim of her religion, which is also the case for all muslims.
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #36 - August 16, 2016, 09:28 PM

    what  .. THAT IS SILLY AND STUPID..
    if some one calls  911 on some one and police in US of A behave like that?  that too to a person who don't know how to speak English??

    In fact a similar case happened to a Indian guy which I did add in to the forum..  here is the news link on that  from  US OF A mouth..

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/12/us/alabama-police-beating/

    Hi Yeez,
    the case about Mr Patel, is a terrible example of excessive force being used by police, like the kind referred to in the BLM thread.  It took place in an fairly isolated suburb of Madison, Wisconsin and public safety was not involved.   At the moment,  officer Parker is being sued in civil court, after two criminal suits resulted in hung juries. Hopefully they will get a judgement against the brute.

    A Chicago subway station is a different situation.  From the description , she was going up a crowded escalator to the platform, it would probably  have been difficult to clear the area in time without alerting the suspect.  A surprise take down from the rear may have seemed their best (though still risky) bet.  But I speculate.

    The objections you raised to nbhb, will no doubt be raised by Al Matar's lawyers and the police will have to convince the judge that their actions were a reasonable response.   I am no expert in these matters, but I found this article about suicide bombers from Police Chief Magazine:-http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1264&issue_id=92007
    Quote
    Suicide Bombers: Are You Ready?
    By Sheri H. Mecklenburg, Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, Chicago, Illinois
    ...
    ...The difficulty of reconciling traditional police policies with those considered effective to stop suicide bombers is apparent in the few attempts made so far to draft a written law enforcement policy on confronting suicide bombers.
    ...
    In conclusion, local law enforcement agencies will have to adapt their traditional policies and training to address new dangers when confronting suicide bombers. Changes cannot take place simply on paper, nor can they be limited to specialized units, because beat officers are the most likely to find themselves facing suicide bombers on the street. Those officers, as in all situations, must be able to count on their training, not their luck


    So there is not a one-size fits all way of handling these kind cases.  

    regards,
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #37 - August 17, 2016, 11:38 AM

    Hi Yeez,
      
    So there is not a one-size fits all way of handling these kind cases.  

    regards,

    off course one size will not for every case ., The similarities in these two cases end at SOMEONE CALLING  911/POLICE..   the subsequent  actions of police and  evidence on each case need to  be  evaluated on their  own  merits.... And I will answer both of you guys and explain why Police  actions in both cases are wrong.. and what are the alternate/better ways to deal with such problems with 21st century technology

    but let me go through the news...  and read some cult/faith/religious/godallahvoodoo doll Scriptures


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #38 - August 17, 2016, 12:37 PM

    Any person should let police do their job and collaborate with the police. She reacted emotionally because she knew she was innocent and because they took her niqab off, so men were seeing her face, thing she didn't want.

    how did she react when Police ripped of her veil?  what did she say?  where is the proof nbhb??

    Quote
    I really understand her frustration, I feel for her, but the fault for what happened to her is not where she think it is or where CAIR is telling her it is.

      separate  the  case with CAIR, their  stupidity and their advertisement for their funds,, They take up cases like this one  for making propaganda that they are only the protectors Islam and Muslims of North America

    Quote
    The problem is not the people who saw her as a terrorist and reported her, it is not the police, it is not the USA/West.  It is her religion, she is the victim of her religion, which is also the case for all muslims.

      Hating people because they follow a faith is NOT the right way to educate the readers as well as those who follow some faith dear nbhb...

    Are you an atheist?  do you hate Christians, Jews, hinds, Buddhists , Sikhs.. jains ..jeans... jinnies  etc.. etc..    because of their faith and the rituals of their faith  dear nbhb??

    Are you American? do you live in America?  Do you vote for Dump?    well then tell Americans  to make rules against Islam..  to change their constitution  .. otherwise  I say the actions  of American Police is wrong and the actions of people who reported her being a terrorist is wrong?

    Is niqab/burkha banned in US of A in public places??  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #39 - August 17, 2016, 12:38 PM

    .. The similarities in these two cases end at SOMEONE CALLING  911/POLICE..   the subsequent  actions of police and  evidence on each case need to  be  evaluated on their  own  merits.... And I will answer both of you guys and explain why Police  actions in both cases are wrong.....

    Yeez, what have I said that you feel I need to be tutored on why the police reaction to the Patel 911 phone call was wrong, wrong, wrong.. Huh?
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #40 - August 17, 2016, 12:50 PM

    Yeez, what have I said that you feel I need to be tutored on why the police reaction to the Patel 911 phone call was wrong, wrong, wrong.. Huh?


     No...nooo...  puzzlelover  it is nothing between you and me and...and nbhb., I am not saying   you guys are tutoring me ..or I am tutoring you guys

    these are classic cases  of religious, social,  political  racial economic problems .. so as you said each case need to be dealt independently., What all I was saying  is ..

    "the similarities between the two  case are ... SOME ONE CALLING POLICE...  on people they don't know..  .,  "     that is all what i was saying..

    and And each case become different on the actions of police..reactions of the culprit or could be victim's reaction ..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #41 - August 17, 2016, 01:53 PM

    No...nooo...  puzzlelover  it is nothing between you and me and...and nbhb., I am not saying   you guys are tutoring me ..or I am tutoring you guys
    these are classic cases  of religious, social,  political  racial economic problems .. so as you said each case need to be dealt independently., What all I was saying  is ..
    "the similarities between the two  case are ... SOME ONE CALLING POLICE...  on people they don't know..  .,  "     that is all what i was saying..
    and And each case become different on the actions of police..reactions of the culprit or could be victim's reaction ..

    OK yeez, I understand where you are coming from now.  Smiley  

    The Patel incident was a routine phone call, which should never have ended the way it did.  And not all such cases do.   Very rightly, we usually discuss only the egregious cases..  But, I am not discussing the Patel case on this thread  any more.

    I am afraid I did not make myself clear.   My comment about 'one size does not fit all' was only about the way that prospective suicide terrorists should be handled,
    http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1264&issue_id=92007
    Quote
    Suicide Bombers: Are You Ready?
    By Sheri H. Mecklenburg, Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, Chicago, Illinois...
    ...The difficulty of reconciling traditional police policies with those considered effective to stop suicide bombers is apparent in the few attempts made so far to draft a written law enforcement policy on confronting suicide bombers.
    ...
    In conclusion, local law enforcement agencies will have to adapt their traditional policies and training to address new dangers when confronting suicide bombers. Changes cannot take place simply on paper, nor can they be limited to specialized units, because beat officers are the most likely to find themselves facing suicide bombers on the street. Those officers, as in all situations, must be able to count on their training, not their luck


    I already laid out the factors I think should be considered as to whether the police actions were reasonable at the time.  http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30335.msg859508#msg859508 
    We will have to see what the courts think.

    Cheers! Smiley  
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #42 - August 19, 2016, 04:04 PM

    So the question i need to answer are

    These are the questions:

    1).   Do you think if it was a non muslim wearing a simple mask with no religious significance, it would have been even the slightest problem to take her/his mask off?

    2).  Don't you think the officers should see the suspects face?

    3). Do you think special rules have to be made when arresting people wearing a mask which is a religious symbol as well?


    4). Are you trying to suggest that anti Muslims bigotry exists and I was not aware of it or what?

    four questions., 4th one is irrelevant .,  

    Hmmm.., even Jedi wants to know the answers   .,OK..I will answer them  but they are so simple questions I hope nbhb  can answer those questions himself without my help  

    meanwhile  I have another question.,   I just noticed.,     that this is such an  important case and Issue   WHY IS THIS DISCUSSION IS IN THE LOUNGE  FOLDER??  well  only olweasel can answer that question unlike nbhb questions which can be answered by everyone and any one.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #43 - August 19, 2016, 05:44 PM

    I wonder if we are hearing the whole story. So the police never asked her to stop and identify herself? 

    http://www.copblock.org/28042/let-me-see-your-i-d/. Illinois is one of the states were police can demand id.   I know where I live that police can stop and ask for id if they are investigating a crime or anytime you are driving or riding a bicycle.  If they ask for id, name and address you have to provide it.  Also you would have to show your face if you have photo id to check it is yours.  So if a veiled woman does not want to show her face the. She has to wait for a female officer and likely she would be detained. 

    For an emergency, are police supposed to wait? 

    I would also like to know the contents of the 911 call.  Did she say anything threatening or suspicious? 

    From her story seems she got the bad experience she did not deserve.  But women who decide to veil and their families who force them ought to know the consequences of how their veil is perceived by the community they live in. 

    Personally, the veil says to me "go away.  I hate you and I don't want to talk to you".  It is a barrier to all but the most basic of communication.  Why not wear a sign "fuck off kuffar."?  But to me it does not say the person behind it is a terrorist.

    The unreligion, only one calorie
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #44 - August 19, 2016, 09:01 PM

    http://www.metronews.ca/news/world/2016/08/16/the-latest-former-interim-top-chicago-cop-leaving.html
    Quote
    The Latest: Muslim woman's arrest in Chicago under review
    By: Staff The Associated Press Published on Tue Aug 16 2016
    12:30 p.m.
    The agency responsible for investigating complaints against Chicago police is looking into last year's arrest of a Muslim woman whom officers mistakenly identified as a potential terrorist as she walked from a subway station.
    A spokeswoman for the Independent Police Review Authority told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Itemid Al-Matar submitted a complaint shortly after the incident. Spokeswoman Mia Sissac declined to provide details.
    Al-Matar filed a civil rights lawsuit last week alleging officers singled her out simply because she wore a religious headscarf and veil. The suit says officers pulled off the garb and later strip-searched her.
    A police report says officers had been "on high alert of terrorist activity" on the Fourth of July when they spotted Al-Matar wearing a backpack and exhibiting what it described as "suspicious behaviour ."



    Note: added link omitted by oversight. Tks yeez. Wink
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #45 - August 19, 2016, 10:27 PM



      good..good but no link  on her complaint and what she wrote??   any way puzzlelover  I want you to answer these questions

    Quote
    1).   Do you think if it was a non muslim wearing a simple mask with no religious significance, it would have been even the slightest problem to take her/his mask off?

    2).  Don't you think the officers should see the suspects face?

    3). Do you think special rules have to be made when arresting people wearing a mask which is a religious symbol as well?


    My answers are

    1).  Muslims  or Non-Muslims  religious or nonreligious significance.,women or men   "no one should have any problem taking the mask off showing their faces to the police officers"  PROVIDED POLICE OFFICERS ASKS and tells them it is necessary to show their face as public complained on them.  

    2).  Answers is   YES..

    3).  NO.,    but the folks who are getting arrested must know before they are getting arrested ..

    Quote


    one need NOT act upon their rights against police officers   and be arrogant at them but at least they must know their rights ...And nbhb  should realize  that Lady was a student  on student Visa from Saudi Arabia taking some English classes...   we are not living in 18th century  without communications .,  And Americans with all the technology in their hands Police Must have known  and their immigration office must  have details on her ..

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/suicide-bomber-disguised-woman-burqa-6796817

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #46 - August 20, 2016, 02:24 AM

     good..good but no link  on her complaint and what she wrote??   any way puzzlelover  I want you to answer these questions

    My answers are
    1).  Muslims  or Non-Muslims  religious or nonreligious significance.,women or men   "no one should have any problem taking the mask off showing their faces to the police officers"  PROVIDED POLICE OFFICERS ASKS and tells them it is necessary to show their face as public complained on them.  
    2).  Answers is   YES..
    3).  NO.,    but the folks who are getting arrested must know before they are getting arrested ..
    one need NOT act upon their rights against police officers   and be arrogant at them but at least they must know their rights ...And nbhb  should realize  that Lady was a student  on student Visa from Saudi Arabia taking some English classes...   we are not living in 18th century  without communications .,  And Americans with all the technology in their hands Police Must have known  and their immigration office must  have details on her ..

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/suicide-bomber-disguised-woman-burqa-6796817


    I added the missing link into my previous post.. see edited post.

    Will read through the rest of your links and reply soon. 
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #47 - August 20, 2016, 02:29 AM

    And yeez, to give you something to go over, here is a link to the actual complaint lodged on behalf of the young woman.  
    https://www.scribd.com/document/320941270/Al-Matar-Complaint

    Please let me know your thoughts after reading this.   Does it change any of the questions you asked ?  yes Smiley  

  • Re: Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #48 - August 20, 2016, 03:34 AM


    Let me deal with this link first Yeez.  
    So in Turkey the police were very understanding of this man's illicit tryst. Good for them.   Maybe this is not that unknown in that region.  

    Can you reasonably expect the police in the U.S. to have the same reaction  ?  

    What about police in West Africa ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/west-african-states-with-181-million-muslims-support-banning-the/
    Quote
    The decision taken by Chad, Niger and Cameroon has since received the backing of West Africa as a whole. Last December, a summit of all 15 members of the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) formally endorsed a ban on “clothing that prevents the clear identification of persons”.

    Today, 15 countries with a total Muslim population of 181 million are pledged to support banning the burqa, even if they will not necessarily pass such a law themselves.

    Two other countries, Guinea and Senegal, are considering whether to proceed with a legal prohibition. Last November, Abdoulaye Daouda Diallo, the Senegalese interior minister, said that he would support outlawing the burqa as a security precaution. “If the ban is necessary, the measure will be applied in Senegal,” he said.


    I cannot see how your link is relevant to police policy in U.S.  Not to forget in Turkey they have been arresting people left and right without legal recourse, so they are hardly paragons of law enforcement.

    Will address the rest of your post separately.

    I repeat, I am no expert, just giving my opinion based what info we can glean on line and on how I observe law is enforced and administered here.  The judge and jury will have the final word. Smiley
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #49 - August 20, 2016, 06:20 AM

    A lot of people in the UK want that, saying it's ridiculous that people can go into supermarkets, post offices, schools, banks, shops etc while wearing masks.

    Would you be for or against?

    Actually this might need it's own thread, if one doesn't exist already.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #50 - August 20, 2016, 07:25 AM

    1).  Muslims  or Non-Muslims  religious or nonreligious significance.,women or men   "no one should have any problem taking the mask off showing their faces to the police officers"  PROVIDED POLICE OFFICERS ASKS and tells them it is necessary to show their face as public complained on them.  

    A suicide terrorist suspect should be asked if they could take of his/her mask? Does this sounds okay to you? If he/she refuses, then what? And BTW you haven't really responded to the question.

    Quote from: yeezevee
    And nbhb  should realize  that Lady was a student  on student Visa from Saudi Arabia taking some English classes...   we are not living in 18th century  without communications .,  And Americans with all the technology in their hands Police Must have known  and their immigration office must  have details on her.

    And how technology could have helped in this particular case? She was wearing a mask, nobody knew who she was. It could have well been an he.
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #51 - August 20, 2016, 12:31 PM

    A suicide terrorist suspect should be asked if they could take of his/her mask? Does this sounds okay to you? If he/she refuses, then what? And BTW you haven't really responded to the question.

    suspected by who dear nbhb?  some one from CEMB forum??  some one on the road complained against her?  did  police  officer suspect that she is a potential terrorist because of her burqa?  or did the American Government put her on watch list as suspected terrorist?

    and why do you say she refused to take her veil off?  did Police explain and asked her to take her veil off? ..  I am responding to all questions and I am exploring all possible ways to understand the problem dear nbhb,,

    Quote
    And how technology could have helped in this particular case? She was wearing a mask, nobody knew who she was. It could have well been an he.

    21st century technology can help 100 different ways  nbhb.,   the simplest thing to do is call her college and school,  talk to her  on her phone., She apparently   was  a  visiting student learning English., I am not sure she could even speak  English ..

    and I wish I had  her complain  against officer that she reported in 2015., The pdf file that P_lover 's link  is from CAIR and the Lawyer   not for her...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #52 - August 20, 2016, 12:38 PM

    Let me deal with this link first Yeez.  
    So in Turkey the police were very understanding of this man's illicit tryst. Good for them.   Maybe this is not that unknown in that region.  

    Can you reasonably expect the police in the U.S. to have the same reaction  ?  

    What about police in West Africa ?


    you are comparing west Africa, Turkey, Pakistan, Somalia with American Technology, American Police system and American Freedom ??  you are very unfair  P_lover.,  

    Quote
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/west-african-states-with-181-million-muslims-support-banning-the/
    I cannot see how your link is relevant to police policy in U.S.  Not to forget in Turkey they have been arresting people left and right without legal recourse, so they are hardly paragons of law enforcement.

    Will address the rest of your post separately.

    I repeat, I am no expert, just giving my opinion based what info we can glean on line and on how I observe law is enforced and administered here.  The judge and jury will have the final word. Smiley


    I am   typing with very weak internet signal., and I will respond your points later dear p_lover.,   by the way I   drop links in the posts for many reason often to read them at later time..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #53 - August 20, 2016, 01:36 PM

    Reply to Yeeze :
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     by the way I   drop links in the posts for many reason often to read them at later time..


    Ok, but dear yeezy can I suggest in future you bookmark such links on your own computer, instead of dropping them into your replies,  so we don't respond unnecessarily and waste each other's time ?  Smiley  
    In this case, you can see why I replied that way, can't you ? regards Plover yes

  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #54 - August 21, 2016, 11:33 AM

    Reply to Yeeze :

    regards Plover yes

    well i just shortened your nick unintentionally puzzlelover as I was having problems with internet speed..   but sometimes i do that intentionally ..lol..

    Reply to Yeeze :
    Ok, but dear yeezy can I suggest in future you bookmark such links on your own computer, instead of dropping them into your replies,  so we don't respond unnecessarily and waste each other's time ?  Smiley  ....

      Nah..my computer filled with filth., usually the links are relevant to the forum if   not directly to the topic but to add depth in to the discussion. .now.,  I guess you are talking about this  link    

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/suicide-bomber-disguised-woman-burqa-6796817

    or others?? well if that is the link then it s about burqa and it is about  suicide-bomber., In any case we must realize US of A Police do have race relation problems  

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
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  • Re: Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #55 - August 21, 2016, 07:54 PM

    well i just shortened your nick unintentionally puzzlelover as I was having problems with internet speed..   but sometimes i do that intentionally ..lol..

     No apologies necessary... in fact I'm thinking, I should shorten my nick to 'plove' instead  ...  puzzlelover is  toooo long.  Wink

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      In any case we must realize US of A Police do have race relation problems  

    Of course yeeze ... didn't I start BLM in US for that purpose ?  
    BUT I laid out my position in this particular case.  We have only half the story, i.e. her side.  I've also said, Ms Al Matar has every right to sue the Police.  If she can prove that it was pure racism/bigotry that caused this, I will have NO problem accepting it.  

    I feel we seem to be talking at cross purposes, so I am bowing out on this topic.

    Cheers. 'plove' Smiley

  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #56 - August 22, 2016, 09:38 AM

    .................................... 
    BUT I laid out my position in this particular case.  We have only half the story, i.e. her side.  I've also said, Ms Al Mata.....................


     p_love.,  No we don't have her side of story .,what we have is story that was told to public by CAIR and her lawyer .    From police officials you will not get the real story .. 

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  • Muslim woman mistaken for terrorist sues Chicago officers
     Reply #57 - August 22, 2016, 02:34 PM

     Huh? yeeze

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    we don't have her side of story, what we have is story that was told to public by CAIR and her lawyer


    She was standing right there in the video and allowed them to speak on her behalf, same with the complaint lodged in court.   That is her story !   
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