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 Topic: Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli

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  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     OP - August 20, 2016, 08:11 PM

    Talib Kweli making a complete fool of himself in a twitter fued with Maajid Nawaz.

    Here are the screenshots.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #1 - August 20, 2016, 08:12 PM

    More screenshots. 

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #2 - August 20, 2016, 08:13 PM

    Talib owes Maajid an apology. 


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #3 - August 20, 2016, 08:23 PM

    Maajid calling Talib out on his bullshit.


    A perfect example of what happens when a stage performer who likes to pretends to understand politis tries to argue with an actual political analyst.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #4 - August 20, 2016, 09:11 PM

    Have you actually read the article Talib Kweli posted?  Calling Harris a white supremacist might lack nuance, but that man has vile politics and has called for nuclear war.

    Also, Maajid Nawaz is a tool of the right who talks about jihad like it's a global conspiracy. There's nothing wrong with calling out Muslims and ex-Muslims for being tools of the right.

    And you don't have to be a "political analyst" to have an understanding of racism. Trying to teach a black man what racism is is pretty fucked up.

    Here's the article that Talib Kwelli posted.
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #5 - August 20, 2016, 09:16 PM

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    Trying to teach a black man what racism is is pretty fucked up.

     

    Talib is the one who is telling a man (Maajid) who has been physically attacked by nazis and violently profiled by police  because of his brown skin color that he doesn't understand racism.


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #6 - August 20, 2016, 09:19 PM

    I have to disagree.

     Maajid is not a tool of the right.

    I would recommend reading up on Maajid's work. He discusses how the problem of islamism is an international issue.

    Not sure how that would make it a "conspiracy".


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #7 - August 20, 2016, 09:36 PM

    Talib is the one who is telling a man (Maajid) who has been physically attacked by nazis and violently profiled by police  because of his brown skin color that he doesn't understand racism.

    Where?
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #8 - August 20, 2016, 09:36 PM

    Not sure how that would make it a "conspiracy".

    Please read the article.
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #9 - August 20, 2016, 10:28 PM

     I'll give it a read.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #10 - August 20, 2016, 10:36 PM

    called for nuclear war


    If I correctly remember a vid I saw of him discussing this, what he said was that if a group like the islamic state got their hands on nukes you'd have to consider a first strike for the simple reason that a death cult like them won't hesitate to use them. That's a little different than calling for nuclear war.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #11 - August 20, 2016, 10:44 PM

    And that effectively reduces the value of people living in the region. He reduces them to collateral damage (mentioned in the article). Which means he believes the value of life of the potential victims of an ISIS nuclear attack is higher than that of the potential victims of an American nuclear attack.

    I don't think he's a white supremacist, but I can see where the accusation comes from.
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #12 - August 20, 2016, 11:03 PM

    Trying to teach a black man what racism is is pretty fucked up.


    This statement is beyond stupid.

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    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #13 - August 20, 2016, 11:06 PM

    Where?


    Planet Earth. Give Google a try and you may accidentally learn something. Majid has been victim of both the far-right and regressive left. He is a sane, calm and measured voice amidst the professional victims and the right-wing trash.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #14 - August 20, 2016, 11:26 PM

    If I correctly remember a vid I saw of him discussing this, what he said was that if a group like the islamic state got their hands on nukes you'd have to consider a first strike for the simple reason that a death cult like them won't hesitate to use them. That's a little different than calling for nuclear war.


    I'm sorry, but this is straight up neo-conservative hogwash. Considering the use of nuclear weapons in any capacity other than as a last-resort used against an imminent threat (i.e. something like Saddam Hussein Iraq wouldn't count), is incredibly dangerous to humanity. At the very least it shows wanton callousness to the value of human life, if not racism.

    Everything needs to be done to further the goals of de-proliferation so that such a scenario in which ISIS can gain access to these weapons becomes less likely. And in such a scenario, an approach better than pre-emptive aggression which would target civilians (as any nuclear attack does), should be considered well before such an option.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #15 - August 21, 2016, 02:30 AM

    Planet Earth. Give Google a try and you may accidentally learn something. Majid has been victim of both the far-right and regressive left. He is a sane, calm and measured voice amidst the professional victims and the right-wing trash.


    Some of us don't have to Google. Some of us have actually lived the shit we talk about here.
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #16 - August 21, 2016, 06:19 AM

    Talib Kweli reminds me of another celebrity, Ben Affleck. He clearly doesn't know or doesn't understand what Islam is and the difference between criticism of Islam and demonizing Muslims.

    Sikhs beaten because some has criticized Islam.  Cheesy

  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #17 - August 21, 2016, 07:01 AM

    Also, Maajid Nawaz is a tool of the right who talks about jihad like it's a global conspiracy. There's nothing wrong with calling out Muslims and ex-Muslims for being tools of the right.


    Nothing wrong to call people how they are, but can you explain why Maajid is a tool of the right and why being one is wrong?
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #18 - August 21, 2016, 07:20 AM

    Some of us don't have to Google. Some of us have actually lived the shit we talk about here.


    Get of your high horse mate. This isn't about you. All sorts of people have experienced shit happen to them they just don't smear it on other peoples faces or use it to define who they are or how they view the world.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #19 - August 21, 2016, 09:38 AM

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    Hmm that clip and response of Talib says it .,       well neither Sam Harris is unquestionable nor Omeraziz  unquestionable..


    http://www.omeraziz.com/writings.html
    http://www.omeraziz.com/blog

    Omer my have written zillion articles against Islamist..ISIS., but as long as he think Islam and   and its books, its  preachers have no role in making them what they are  ., I have no good reason to support  his writings against folks like Sam Harris and Mazid Nawaz.

    I don't think Omar Aziz  understands faith based politics,  neither I read anything  from him on how Islam as a  faith influenced/ influences politics in so-called Islamic nations ..Not even a single statement in his posts/articles..

    The other point to note is,  about this "Mr.  Sam Harris  Nuclear war"  against Muslims /Islam.. I am not certain people read  what he said and what he  wrote  on that.. except every one is talking and writing on what he allegedly said/wrote  from  Salon type lefties wrote in their articles against him .  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #20 - August 21, 2016, 12:18 PM

    Get of your high horse mate. This isn't about you. All sorts of people have experienced shit happen to them they just don't smear it on other peoples faces or use it to define who they are or how they view the world.


    Umm. Ok. At no point did I make this about me. But as we are bringing the personal element into the discussion, EVERYONE'S experience and background will inevitably influence their perception of the world, including the two individuals we are discussing. Maajid Nawaz, whose autobiography I've read and whose positions I often find myself in agreement with, has had his particular (current) world view shaped by his own unique experiences, as has Talib.

    I understand why Maajid is frustrated with Talib "splainin" things to him that he has actually lived. I also understand why Talib, a black man in a country that has a centuries long history of actual, institutionalised, and overt racism, would be put off by someone like Sam Harris who masquerades as an expert on issues he has no experience with,  pontificating about with views not too different from those of right-wing neocons.

    There is no one who can develop a world view in a vacuum, free from any outside influence or bias.

    What often frustrates me about discussing things with you specifically, Jedi, is the impression I get from your posts that you are quick to dismiss the personal insights of individuals who have had experiences that differ from the opinions you've formed - however you may have formed them.

    Not only that, you also come across to me as unnecessarily rude, condescending, and snide, particularly (and strangely) when discussing matters of race relations and minority issues that don't conform to the positions you've formed.

    We can, of course, take that last portion elsewhere so as not to derail the thread, but I'm curious as to how well one can form opinions in the real world, and how valuable those opinions could be, if they are not influenced at least in part by one's own experiences.

  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #21 - August 21, 2016, 12:26 PM

    We can, of course, take that last portion elsewhere so as not to derail the thread, but I'm curious as to how well one can form opinions in the real world, and how valuable those opinions could be, if they are not influenced at least in part by one's own experiences.

    It's very simple, really. One can be God.
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #22 - August 21, 2016, 12:29 PM

    What often frustrates me about discussing things with you specifically, Jedi, is the impression I get from your posts that you are quick to dismiss the personal insights of individuals who have had experiences that differ from the opinions you've formed - however you may have formed them.

    Not only that, you also come across to me as unnecessarily rude, condescending, and snide, particularly (and strangely) when discussing matters of race relations and minority issues that don't conform to the positions you've formed.


    Calm down Mr Bilal.

    At no point did I dismiss anyone's experiences. You make a claim, now back it up with evidence. I'm sure you know how to use quotes.

    Re-read your own post in which originally replied to me. Did it add anything to the thread? Did it, as you say, 'derail'? I posted very directly in relation to what Absurdist (rather apt) said.  You , rather oddly: 'Some of us have actually live through this shit'. And what? Who is this us?

    Oh and I love how at times you throw in some revelations like:

    'There is no one who can develop a world view in a vacuum, free from any outside influence or bias.'

    Thanks for sharing that with us Captain Obvious. No doubt someone will copy/paste that nugget on the 'I'll pat your back and you'll pat mine' CEMB greatest hits thread.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #23 - August 21, 2016, 01:11 PM

    I'm actually quite calm,  well rested, and impressed with myself at being only slightly hungover. Last night was fun.

    Again, the snide and condescending bravado isn't doing anything for you.

    If you look closely, I never accused you of dismissing experiences. I  commented, after deliberately qualifying it as my own impression at that, on your dismissal of people's insights when they are based on their actual experiences.

    To quote you, "all sorts of people have experienced shit happen to them they just don't...use it to define who they are or how they view the world."

    And I'll spare you the impression your manner and caliber of posting is leaving me with now.

    Peace, Jedi.


  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #24 - August 21, 2016, 03:20 PM

    If I correctly remember a vid I saw of him discussing this, what he said was that if a group like the islamic state got their hands on nukes you'd have to consider a first strike for the simple reason that a death cult like them won't hesitate to use them. That's a little different than calling for nuclear war.

    And that effectively reduces the value of people living in the region. He reduces them to collateral damage (mentioned in the article). Which means he believes the value of life of the potential victims of an ISIS nuclear attack is higher than that of the potential victims of an American nuclear attack.

    I don't think he's a white supremacist, but I can see where the accusation comes from.

    Absurdist, what would be the right thing to do in a such a scenario?

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #25 - August 21, 2016, 05:48 PM

    If I correctly remember a vid I saw of him discussing this, what he said was that if a group like the islamic state got their hands on nukes you'd have to consider a first strike for the simple reason that a death cult like them won't hesitate to use them. That's a little different than calling for nuclear war.


    The problem with Harris' statement is that it is radical oversimplification and irresponsible. It is such an off the cuff remark it is laughable that he is defending it rather than admitting he made a mistake.
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #26 - August 21, 2016, 07:43 PM

    Agree bogart,  there are other ways to solve such a crisis.

    And I remember Sam Harris nuke example was about Pakistan, which was even worse.
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #27 - August 22, 2016, 02:28 PM

    I though Talib Kwali was a Muslim. Maajid says he is not. Did Talib leave Islam? Or his Maajid just saying he is not a proper Muslim?
  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #28 - August 22, 2016, 03:59 PM

    Agree bogart,  there are other ways to solve such a crisis.

    And I remember Sam Harris nuke example was about Pakistan, which was even worse.


    Huh? Why is bombing Pakistan worse than any other country? Is it the policy of mutual destruction?

    Of course, I'm sure Sam Harris, a very intelligent, thoughtful and resourceful man, has many other policies and insights into the juggernaut that is Islam. But why is there all this talk of hypothetical nuclear bombing by a man who gave a one-off statement? He is not in charge of foreign policy nor has much influence outside of the intellectual circles. What he does do is challenge the rather 'soft' regressive ideology that erodes legitimate criticism of Islam AND Muslim. Anyway, none of this warrants stupid (and serious) charges of 'WHITE SUPREMACIST' leveled at him. Silly Abu Talib.


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    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Maajid Nawaz vs Talib Kweli
     Reply #29 - August 22, 2016, 04:02 PM

    I though Talib Kwali was a Muslim. Maajid says he is not. Did Talib leave Islam? Or his Maajid just saying he is not a proper Muslim?


    Abu Talib him said says so https://twitter.com/talibkweli/status/21164216946?lang=en-gb

    Some of his (all?) statements regarding Islam are perhaps well-meant but woefully ignorant.

    Perhaps he will become Muslim when it is fashionable to do so, as has been the routine in some cases.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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