Jakob told me to write an opinion piece on BLM and why I think it's a terrorist group so I can "get hundreds of hate mail lol".

I have a hard time seeing why that's necessary but maybe that's because I've been staying away from the mainstream news and getting my news from fine people like the happy football Vernaculis.and the weird German Kraut and Tea. Black Lives Matter is a political organization, not a hashtag. They have proven that by their actions, like when they stormed the stage at a political event held by Bernie Sanders in August 2015 or when they stormed the stage at PRIVATE event held by Milo Yiannopolis in May 2016. They proved it when they organized to shut down the London City Airport and when they marched in Minnesota, chanting "Pigs in a blanket/Fry 'em like bacon". And I would ask anyone who questions my assertion that they are a terrorist group: Why? Can you name me one good thing that they, as a group, have done? Can you name me one example of them getting together as a group and doing something positive? Whether that was political activism, community improvement, or even showing up to block Westboro Baptist Church protesters at a funeral. Can you point me to one thing that they have done--actually done, not "said", not "claimed", not "asserted online"--even one thing, no matter how small, that they as a group have done--that was good?

Don't get me wrong. I am against police brutality, and I think that ending it would be a great thing to do. I'm sure that there have been plenty of cases where a police officer shot an unarmed black man and planted a weapon or drugs on him. I'm sure that there's plenty of police corruption and corruption between police and other parts of our political system. We need to demilitarize the American police, we need to get rid of unfair sentencing practices that disproportionately effect the black community like "three strikes" and the difference in sentence length between crack vs powder cocaine, we need to de-privatize the prison system, we need to end the school to prison pipeline. But Black Lives Matter is not a group that I would trust with the task. I wouldn't have hired the Black Panther Party to end segregation, I wouldn't have hired the KKK to reduce crime, and I can't give my support to BLM when it comes to fixing the American judicial system.

The [ur=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38525549l]incident in Chicago[/url] was the thing that made me decide to go on a rant about it, but this problem has been festering for far longer. "Incident" is a neat little term, it seems to be what everyone is using. It sanitizes what happened: four people, two male, two female, kidnapped a mentally ill man. They held him for days, forcing him to crawl on all fours like a dog, drink out of a toilet bowl, and pushed his head with their feet. They cut off his clothes and part of his scalp. They burned his skin and forced him to repeat their political chants with a knife to his throat. And they live streamed it. They posted it on facebook while they ate. They didn't care that they were brutalizing a man with no capacity to fight back, a man that was not a threat to them in any way, a man they had kidnapped. They didn't care. They thought it was fun. They think that they are good people. And you know what the response from the BBC and the rest of the mainstream media is?



They can't even say "these are bad people and the political group they are pushing is bad", they have to say "Nazis are saying mean things on twitter." Well, you know what, I don't care about the alt-right or the Nazis right now. Right now, we have to talk about Black Lives Matter. Right now, we have to talk about a terrorist group. Right now, we have to talk about how it is being minimized and blamed on Nazis when it has nothing to do with them. Because you know what? If we don't, then Nazis will. The alt-right will. They'll talk about how they're being blamed for stuff that has nothing to do with them, how the media is failing us, how the left doesn't care, how they're being marginalized and victimized. And they'll gain supporters because they're right. This isn't about them. I don't want to make it about them and you shouldn't either. The thing we all have to talk about is not the tiny mouse in the corner that may or may not be scaring the elephant, it's the elephant in the room. It's the big huge thing standing in the center of the room, snorting and goring people with its horns. It's the beast that is trampling people, crushing their bones under its feet. That's what we need to talk about.

So let's do that. Let's talk about BLM. This wasn't the first terrorist attack that BLM activists have carried out. In Milwaukee in August 2016, they burned down a gas station with three employees trapped inside.. During that same event, they pulled white people out of their cars to physically assault them. In another incident, a man was pulled from his car at a stoplight and beaten because of a Trump sticker on his car. In July 2016, one or more BLM organizers led a march to where a sniper was waiting to kill police officers.

I don't want this to become America's Rotherham. I don't want this to be yet another group that is committing crimes in plain sight because everyone is too scared to address it for fear of being called racist. And what I especially do not want is for this to become a rallying cry for the far right. I don't want them to gain traction on the back of public outcry over how our governments, our media, and our politicians have failed us. I don't want them to gain support from demographics that make up the majority of the voters but the minority of political elites because the establishment is calling them racist when they talk about the problems they see when they look out the window. I don't want Rome to burn while Nero sits in his palace and thinks about his great plans for the city; I don't want a revolution to erupt while rumors spread the Marie Antoinette has asked why we're not eating cake; I don't want evil to flourish while those who fancy themselves good men are sat silent, either through their incompetence, their ignorance, or their cowardice.

If you want to see this problem stop, you must be willing to call a spade a spade. BLM is a terrorist group. It must be stopped. It must be held accountable. It can not be ignored, it can not be coddled, it can not be dismissed.

I know that I will be called a racist for this, but I don't care about that. I know I will be called alt right, a nazi, probably an Uncle Tom or a porch monkey, but I don't care about that. I care about making sure that neither the racist political elements in the alt right nor the racist political elements in the far left can destroy my country. I care about preventing terrorism. I care about preventing brutality and injustice, whether it's institutional legal injustice, police brutality, or radical ideologues working outside the law. Those are my values. That's what I stand for. And if you can't see it over the anger that I would call out someone who you think is in the wrong demographic for me to criticize, that's not a problem with me, it's a problem with you.

You mean this one? The same one for which Chicago Police apparently found no connection with BLM?

Yeah, OK.

      @ The thread

My very reaction

It shows.

Three, they just took advantage of vulnerable, typical worldly thing.
But it is not ableism, it is racism. A racist crime.
They were using racial slurs.

It isn't just ableism, and that's self-evident in the video; the police (who, again, I'm not particularly inclined to just blindly believe) said that it was the reason they picked him as the target for kidnapping; but in the video, they say things like "Fuck Trump", "fuck white people", and force the guy at knife point to say "I love black people" before they SCALP HIM. They cut off part of his scalp, both hair and skin, for not being enthusiastic enough about his love for black people while four black people are holding him prisoner and torturing him. There is a good bit of black supremacy on display in the video, and I would say there's more black supremacy than ableism in the things they say in the video.

I think we all are correct, it is how you see this crime.
You can see it as ableism.
You can see it as racism.

It has all colors & flavours in it.

good  good  post dear US of A girl  ., You are raising many decent  legal and criminal points in your post .. And  and at it its  bottom is...... what a society should be from your own standards and stand point of view..  and you are so smart and ask terrific  questions such as

 
i  have no time right now  but that is a bit bullshit ,, again I will get back to  your concepts/understanding  of criminal activity and what is the legitimate legal solutions to such activities  but  don't say this I honestly don't care

oh I see ok., you will  hear that and more ., in fact that is the least important thing i oppose in your post  dear USA_Girl.,  

1) So what would you like to see to be  done to those four black kids by your government..  two girls and two boys ..one of them was white kid's((the victim's)) friend?

2) What would you do to them IF YOU WOULD HAVE GIVEN FULL POWER  TO PUNISH THEM?

3)   and what is your  moral character  is telling you to do??

Obviously the first thing would be to get them psychiatric review. If they are fit to stand trial and are psychopaths then they need to be put away for the longest amount of time that the law allows (which in America is probably life, this isn't Norway). Psychopaths can't be rehabilitated; everything that has been tried has only increased recidivism, so once a psychopath has proven himself violent, he must be permanently removed from society until such time as a cure can be found or at least a treatment that proves efficacy in reducing recidivism. Not all psychopaths are physically violent. In fact, violent psychopaths make up a tiny fraction of the 1% of the general population that are psychopaths, but those that do WILL repeat offend. The only way to keep them from doing this again is to keep them in custody.

It is unlikely that the two female kidnappers are psychopaths, statistically speaking. Fewer women than men get diagnosed with psychopathy, and when women do become violent or participate in violent behaviors perpetrated by others, it's usually not psychopathy that caused it. They are likely to have some kind of Bonnie and Clyde syndrome or cult-like devotion, like the women involved in the Manson Family murders. They may or may not be able to be rehabilitated; if they can't be rehabilitated, then they should also get life sentences.

Also, this "friend" lured the young man into a trap, kidnapped him, called his family to tell him that the young man was their hostage/prisoner, and held him for about 48 hours until his escape, during which time they tortured him repeatedly. If your "friend" did that to you and your family, would you still be friends?



What is best for society as a whole. It may not be what is best for those four people--they might be happier without spending any time in jail. But if there is a good chance that they will do this again, and I don't see any reason to assume they wouldn't--considering they have shown no remorse and in fact showed joy in torturing a man who had done nothing to them and was unable to defend himself--then I see no reason to allow them back into society. It may sound heartless, but tell me, what do you think is more heartless--being hard on them as the result of their actions and choices, or being complicit in their next kidnapping by letting them go?

I write long posts about issues I care about. Even if I don't cite my sources in the post, I do have them and can provide them if asked. I try to preface any sentence in my longer posts that isn't based on evidence with "I think" or "I feel", or some variant of that like "based on the stuff I've just said" to differentiate it from the stuff I have evidence for. I'm constantly looking for new information and new ideas. The thing I'm working on right now  in terms of what I'm studying is "how to form an opinion and how to defend it". This is not a skill I was ever taught--every time I tried before two years ago, I was beaten or berated for it--so it's quite difficult for me. Not going to lie, it's still very difficult.and sometimes I want to roll over and just have someone tell me what to think, but I know that I'm better for it.






You asked what my punishment for them would be if I had full control over their fate, so I assumed a perfect world where stuff happened in the way I would think best when formulating my response.

As for police brutality, I'm against that. I said as much in the original post. The possibility of police brutality does not mean that we should just let shut down all the prisons. I would go so far as to say that even the possibility of something like prison rape, being attacked by Nazis in prison, or being treated in an exploitative way wouldn't stop me from sending these particular people to prison. There are a lot of non-violent offenders and especially non-violent drug offenders that should be released and the for-profit prison system is really fucking awful and should be abolished, but none of that is a reason to put violent criminals back on the street. It IS a reason to do political activism and petition local government officials for change, but it's not a reason to put violent offenders back on the street.

^^your last point is an important one, Yeezevee. BLM is a political movement, not an organisation. In that respect it is much like feminism; no political leaders or hierarchy. How much sense would it make to dub feminism a "terrorist organisation" if a minority of self-proclaimed feminists went out and committed crimes? It is simply a movement for people who believe that "Black lives matter too", not "Black lives matter more". That is why the "All Lives Matter" response is incoherent and clearly a tactic to shut down discussion and debate.

What those 4 kids did was abhorrent, and they deserve to be condemned and to rot in jail, but what association do they have with the BLM movement? Will every incident of racism from a Black person in the US now be associated with BLM, irrespective of an absence of any links?

Gal_from_usa, you said that police brutality should be addressed, but that BLM shouldn't be the ones to do it. Which movement could possibly address an issue like that without a minority of extremists or troublemakers committing crimes its name? Every movement for equality has brought these people out of the woodworks, it's inevitable.

Helllooooooo     gal_from_usa  are you OK?..cooldown., you seem to be writing for me  as well for yourself.,  you are writing for BLM as well as against BLM... do you realize that? And  it appears  all  of your black &  white problems of your country,  you are blaming on that BLM, what I call as a ""social online  protest  by black & other folks""   without any leadership ,which  started because of   some    innocent angry Black men/women getting killed by edgy police officers of your country ..

anyways ., let us walk slightly in a different root.,  Can you google and find out   how many white Police officers were beaten/killed in the last century by angry black folks  in US of A?  And I wonder would you like to blame those also on  that BLM?

I have never seen Yeez making good points like this thread. Wow,I'm really impressed.